2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 6) - with ROY poll

[PhilBlackson]

Legit can't remember a rookie class that was doing this well overall...

When's the last time a draft class legitimately had 3 guys competing for ROTY?!? With potentially multiple franchise talents?!?

I guess ofc there's 03' but then you still have a bunch of guys that could also end up being borderline to actual all-stars at some point ie/ Green, Giddey, Wagner, Kuminga, Sengun etc...and you still have very good rotational pieces like Ayo, Bones, Thomas, Duarte, Mitchell, Jones. Every night there's been at least a couple rookies that put on a show. Really what a draft class..

[Sort]

Van Fleet would be great with Cade as backcourt mates. Toronto would be higher in the standings with those two or one of those two leading the charge every possession of a game, even accounting for the loss of Barnes who is critical in the success they've had this year.

The ROY doesn't matter much to me as a fan. I don't see Cleveland or Toronto going far in the playoffs, though honestly I think Toronto will have a better shot. And really, you can have all three of these rookies eventually starting on a championship level team. Still, right now, I would much rather have Cade n a few years leading my team than Mobley or Barnes. Mobley has more potential to be a dominating first option than Barnes, but their careers will depend upon being down the pecking order of the team.

Cade's does not. And as a Pistons fan, that's sweet.

Really though, I would take offense to Giddey or Wagner winning this award, but Barnes, Mobley and Cade are all legit winners here.

[Vampirate]

It wasn't a dig at Cade. It's just pointing out the obvious difference between teams.

We all know Cade is the top dog in Detroit.
Mobley is 3rd-5th option for offense on Cavs on any given night.
Barnes is the 4th/5th option on a healthy Raps team

Just different guys, on different teams, and different opportunities and usage. They are all great and just scratching the surface.

but i think that's completely ignoring the fact that mobley and barnes don't have the ability to do what cade does. it's like saying chris boucher could do what barnes does, it's just not his role on the team.

I'm going to defend pretty much every rookie in the top 10 here.

In this draft class on offense

Mobley
Green
Cade
Barnes
Kuminga
Wagner

Can do things on offense that no other rookie in the draft class can do. That's 6 players right there that are likely All Stars in the future.


As for Cade on the Raptors he'd be our 3rd option behind FVV and Siakam (and maybe GTJ but not sure there).

Siakam is a legit All Star and FVV is shot stubborn and wants the recognition of one.

His PPG and shot attempts probably go down, but his efficiency and A/TO gets improved. Cade on the Raptors is probably more of a facilitator imo.

[MotownMadness]

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[bisme37]

I honestly don't know who the ROY is this year.

At the beginning of the year I'd have voted for Barnes. In the middle of the year I'd have voted for Mobley. Now I might vote for Cade.

Which one has been the best rookie for the longest time? I feel like Cade is playing the best right now, and I've noticed the media narrative has gone from a two man race (Barnes and Mobley) to a three man race.

So I do think Cade has a good shot to win. But would that be recency bias or has he done enough to win ROY based on the strength of his full season now? He's out there playing like a vet allstar instead of a rookie.

[MotownMadness]

I honestly don't know who the ROY is this year.

At the beginning of the year I'd have voted for Barnes. In the middle of the year I'd have voted for Mobley. Now I might vote for Cade.

Which one has been the best rookie for the longest time? I feel like Cade is playing the best right now, and I've noticed the media narrative has gone from a two man race (Barnes and Mobley) to a three man race.

So I do think Cade has a good shot to win. But would that be recency bias or has he done enough to win ROY based on the strength of his full season now? He's out there playing like a vet allstar instead of a rookie.

IDK, Cade has been playing pretty good. That awful start was just a big hole to climb out of. Hes been avg these type of numbers for over 3 months now though.

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[JackTalkThai]

Cunningham really faltered down the stretch. The season high in minutes clearly affected him in the 4th. His frame HAS to get a lot stronger in the off-season if he wants to average 25 a game next season at 40%+

[SpreeChokeJob]

I honestly don't know who the ROY is this year.

At the beginning of the year I'd have voted for Barnes. In the middle of the year I'd have voted for Mobley. Now I might vote for Cade.

Which one has been the best rookie for the longest time? I feel like Cade is playing the best right now, and I've noticed the media narrative has gone from a two man race (Barnes and Mobley) to a three man race.

So I do think Cade has a good shot to win. But would that be recency bias or has he done enough to win ROY based on the strength of his full season now? He's out there playing like a vet allstar instead of a rookie.

The draft was deep, but the peaks were not as high as 84 or 03.

[reanimator]

Legit can't remember a rookie class that was doing this well overall...

When's the last time a draft class legitimately had 3 guys competing for ROTY?!? With potentially multiple franchise talents?!?

I guess ofc there's 03' but then you still have a bunch of guys that could also end up being borderline to actual all-stars at some point ie/ Green, Giddey, Wagner, Kuminga, Sengun etc...and you still have very good rotational pieces like Ayo, Bones, Thomas, Duarte, Mitchell, Jones. Every night there's been at least a couple rookies that put on a show. Really what a draft class..

96, 84, 03 are probably out of reach but I can see it slotted at #4 but it'll be a dog fight with 2018.

[Vampirate]

I honestly don't know who the ROY is this year.

At the beginning of the year I'd have voted for Barnes. In the middle of the year I'd have voted for Mobley. Now I might vote for Cade.

Which one has been the best rookie for the longest time? I feel like Cade is playing the best right now, and I've noticed the media narrative has gone from a two man race (Barnes and Mobley) to a three man race.

So I do think Cade has a good shot to win. But would that be recency bias or has he done enough to win ROY based on the strength of his full season now? He's out there playing like a vet allstar instead of a rookie.

Mobley was running away with the Award, especially if you consider advanced stats but Barnes has caught up.

I'd still give the ROY to Mobley though.

[lobosloboslobos]

Barnes with 16/5/4/2/1 in the first half against Denver on 7/10 shooting.

His last 10 games he's averaging 17.4/8/3/1/2 on 57% shooting.

he had a bit of a slump mid-season but his impact is just so huge these days. hard to believe he's only 20.

[HotelVitale]

Legit can't remember a rookie class that was doing this well overall...

When's the last time a draft class legitimately had 3 guys competing for ROTY?!? With potentially multiple franchise talents?!?

I guess ofc there's 03' but then you still have a bunch of guys that could also end up being borderline to actual all-stars at some point ie/ Green, Giddey, Wagner, Kuminga, Sengun etc...and you still have very good rotational pieces like Ayo, Bones, Thomas, Duarte, Mitchell, Jones. Every night there's been at least a couple rookies that put on a show. Really what a draft class..

96, 84, 03 are probably out of reach but I can see it slotted at #4 but it'll be a dog fight with 2018.

I already said this but you really, really don't know at this point. In two years, Giddey, Mitchell, and Sengun could easily be back-ups who didn't quite get efficient or effective enough to earn big non-developmental minutes, a guy like Kuminga could be on his 2nd team already, and guys like Ayo and Bones might be barely playing anywhere. Most of these guys so far have been rookie good or situationally good (pretty decent fill-ins due to injuries etc) but there's a long way from that to being one of the best 40-50 guys in the world at your position at any given time. Even someone like Barnes who seems like he's there might kind of plateau. And some guys who look like dung now could be the ones settling into solid starting roles, and a few who haven't figured it out might amaze everyone by just getting better and better and better for years and becoming great.

Not saying this to rain on parades, I've just been following the draft (and then the rooks) for 20 years or so and part of the fun is seeing the weirdness of long development curves and watching some players continue to adapt and adjust and excel as others get better (not many actually regress) but can't quite get to where they need to stand out. A rookie year is kind of like the first couple chapters of a book, you see what the conflicts and plotlines are and where the battles might come later on, but it's way way too early into the tale to start even knowing what the whole story will look like, let alone celebrate or lament the outcome.

[dc]

The ROY doesn't matter much to me as a fan. I don't see Cleveland or Toronto going far in the playoffs, though honestly I think Toronto will have a better shot. And really, you can have all three of these rookies eventually starting on a championship level team. Still, right now, I would much rather have Cade n a few years leading my team than Mobley or Barnes. Mobley has more potential to be a dominating first option than Barnes, but their careers will depend upon being down the pecking order of the team.

It really shouldn't matter to anyone. It's not really a significant award because everyone's career trajectories are not going to be the same.

-Damon Stoudamire won ROY in the same draft class as KG, Finley, Rasheed, McDyess.
-MCW won ROY from the 2013 class, which pretty much is enough said by itself. Wiggins won it in 2014.
-Emeka Okafor won it being in the same class as Dwight.

It's pretty insignificant who wins the award. You should care about players' long term trajectories, not their rookie season statistics when some will have different roles depending on the team they're on and how raw they are to begin with.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Barnes 25/8/10 2 steals.

[lobosloboslobos]

Scottie Barnes ends up with 25/8/10/1/2 on the second night of a back-to-back win against Denver.
The night before in the win against Phoenix he had 5 steals and 2 blocks in addition to 15/6/1.
Scary.

[Bruin]

This draft class is actually absurd

[Tripod]

And for those who didn't watch, Barnes was running the team and plays for lots of the game. He can play any position.

[TravisScott55]

Scottie Barnes is rookie of the year.

[everdiso]

And for those who didn't watch, Barnes was running the team and plays for lots of the game. He can play any position.

Running the team on offense and absolutely shutting down Jokic down the stretch on defense.

How many players in the league can do that.

[Madhouse]

It's crazy that Barnes is like a PG/SG/SF/PF/C lol.