Western Conference | Round 1 | (1) Phoenix Suns VS. (8) New Orleans Pelicans (PHX WINS 4-2)

[Michael Jackson]

When zion comes back cj better not complain about becoming the 6th man.... let's be clear fam, we don't need you, you need us

Why would CJ become the sixth man?

Because he's mid for a "borderline all star"

Personally I have never liked CJ. He surely isn't bad and he is starter level quality and a savvy enough vet but him paying the right role (not saying the bench exactly but a smaller role) is his best spot. He can kill on any night be he isn't the best player every night

[Funcrusher]

What an absurd post. A lot of regular NBA fans really wanted the Suns to win the finals last year simply because of Paul. There's a lot of people out there who don't like him and I understand that. But there's just as many people who are massive fans of his game and love what he brings to the court on a nightly basis.

Regular NBA fans, AKA people who don't watch CP3 actually play?

...no.

Why would CJ become the sixth man?

Because he's mid for a "borderline all star"

What does that have to do with anything? Again, why would CJ become the sixth man once Zion returns? That doesn't make any logical sense. Zion would be replacing Hayes in the starting line up, not CJ. That would be like me saying that Jarrett Allen is going to become Cleveland's sixth man next season when Collin Sexton returns to the lineup.

Why? Because he's not that good and long term it would be in his best interest. What is so hard to understand about that?

[Tor_Raps]

They've used their challenge though?

Hostile act isn't a coach's challenge. Refs choose that

You really think that was a hostile act? Cmon yall....we cant be that soft.

Is this your first time watching the nba?

It isn't whether I think it's soft or not. It's whether the nba has called it this way all year and then decided to look the other way because CP3 did it to Alvarado.

[DTP]

Hostile act isn't a coach's challenge. Refs choose that

You really think that was a hostile act? Cmon yall....we cant be that soft.

Is this your first time watching the nba?

It isn't whether I think it's soft or not. It's whether the nba has called it this way all year and then decided to look the other way because CP3 did it to Alvarado.

Or because the playoffs aren't officiated like its game 27 of the regular season. Should it be? Maybe but that's not reality.

[og15]

When did cp3 choke?

You denying cp3 being clutch is pretty absurd

His history has been more about being injured and out in the playoffs versus choking, but that OKC series he bombed hard. Like super-sh%#-the-bed-hard. I just remember him losing the ball and playing like an idiot for the last 2mins of that last game, but that was like 10 years ago and I am old.

Ya I don't really consider being injured choking. I get why some might

Some people consider any series loss as a choke, so for someone like art_tatum, this season chokers include Jokic, Durant, Irving, Young, etc. Now, Young did have a terrible series, though I don't think his team would have won even if he played well, but for the people who have the losing = choking, any loss is a choke regardless. Obviously it's not very logical, but it is what it is.

[TeamTragic]

CJ was atrocious all series.

Did you like that flagrant 1 that should have a flagrant 2 and ejection?

I have zero respect for players that pull that ****.

[Tor_Raps]

You really think that was a hostile act? Cmon yall....we cant be that soft.

Is this your first time watching the nba?

It isn't whether I think it's soft or not. It's whether the nba has called it this way all year and then decided to look the other way because CP3 did it to Alvarado.

Or because the playoffs aren't officiated like its game 27 of the regular season. Should it be? Maybe but that's not reality.

They reviewed about 5 times during the raptors/sixers game today for a hostile act.

What CP did there with Alvarado mouth bloodied was FAR worse than anything happened in our game. Going out on a limb and guess you're a Suns fan lol.

[og15]

Hostile act isn't a coach's challenge. Refs choose that

You really think that was a hostile act? Cmon yall....we cant be that soft.

Is this your first time watching the nba?

It isn't whether I think it's soft or not. It's whether the nba has called it this way all year and then decided to look the other way because CP3 did it to Alvarado.

Generally I don't recall the refs reviewing for hostile act on the person who the foul was called for. For example if they had called an offensive foul on Paul, then they could review if his foul was hostile. They will also review if they call a defensive foul and think it might have been flagrant, but I can't recall them reviewing to see if the player who was rewarded FT's committed a hostile act, or calling a defensive foul and reviewing to see if the offensive player committed a hostile act. A review of something like that is only triggered if a coach reviews. Unless someone has an example, I have not seen that happen.

[MrBigShot]

CJ was atrocious all series.

Did you like that flagrant 1 that should have a flagrant 2 and ejection?

I have zero respect for players that pull that ****.

He should catch a suspension for that, no room for that kind of play frustration or not.

[G R E Y]

Same. I thought there was something about refs able to look at a call within two minutes left in the game?

I know they can review out of bounds

Section I—Instant Replay Review Triggers

Instant replay will be triggered in the following situations:

A field goal made with no time remaining on the clock (0:00) at the end of any period. [NOTE: Instant replay will NOT be used to check a successful basket in subsection (1) above if the throw-in, free throw attempt of jump ball started with .2 or .1 on the game clock. The officials will judge the legality of the basket in these situations based on the guidelines as set forth in Comments on the Rules L.

A foul called with no time remaining on the clock (0:00) at the end of any period.

Officials are not reasonably certain whether a personal foul called at any time during a game met the criteria for a flagrant foul.

An Altercation occurs. (For purposes of this instant replay rule only, an Altercation shall mean a situation in which (i) two or more players are engaged in (a) a fight or (b) a hostile physical interaction that is not part of normal basketball play and that does not immediately resolve by itself or with the intervention of game officials or players, or (ii) a player, coach, trainer, or other team bench person commits a hostile act against another player, referee, coach, trainer, team bench person, or spectator (including, for example, through the use of a punch, elbow, kick, blow to the head, shove, or thrown object.)

A play concludes (i) with no time remaining on the clock (0:00) at the end of any period or (ii) at a point when the game officials believe that actual time may have expired in any period; and the officials are reasonably certain that the game clock malfunctioned during the play.

Officials are not reasonably certain at any time during a game whether (i) a successful field goal was scored correctly as a 2-point or 3-point field goal, or (ii) in the case of a called shooting foul, whether the player was attempting a 2-point or 3-point field goal; provided that the Replay Center Official did not trigger instant replay to review these matters as permitted by Section I-b(1)

Officials are not reasonably certain as to which team should be awarded possession after a ball becomes out-of-bounds or whether a called out-of-bounds in fact occurred during the last two minutes of the fourth period or last two minutes of any overtime period(s). [NOTE: Notwithstanding Section (I)(a)(7) above, Section II(g) below, and related provisions, the Official NBA Playing Rules have been modified for the 2021-22 NBA season (one-year trial basis) to (i) eliminate referee-initiated instant replay review of out-of-bounds violations during the last two minutes of the fourth period and the last two minutes of any overtime period; and (ii) extend the Coach’s Challenge (see Rule 14) so teams may trigger replay review of out-of-bounds violations throughout the entire game. Accordingly, a Coach’s Challenge is the only mechanism to trigger replay review of out-of-bounds violations at any point during the game.

Officials are not reasonably certain at any time during a game whether (i) a successful field goal was released prior to the expiration of the shot clock, provided that the Replay Center Official did not trigger instant replay to review this matter as permitted by Section I-b(2) below, or (ii) a called foul was committed prior to the expiration of the shot

Officials are not reasonably certain whether a personal foul called at any time during a game met the criteria for a clear-path-to-the-basket

Officials are not reasonably certain as to which player should attempt free throws on a called

Officials are not reasonably certain whether the ball touched the rim and thus whether the shot clock or game clock should be adjusted during the last two minutes of the fourth period or last two minutes of any overtime period(s).

Officials have determined that illegal contact has occurred on a block/charge foul but are not reasonably certain as to whether the defender was inside or out- side the restricted area during the last two minutes of the fourth period or last two minutes of any overtime period(s).

Officials are not reasonably certain whether a goaltending or basket interference violation was called correctly during the last two minutes of the fourth period or last two minutes of any overtime period(s).

Officials are not reasonably certain whether an off-ball foul occurred prior to offensive player beginning his shooting motion on a successful basket if the off-ball foul is committed by a defensive player, (b) a defensive foul is committed prior to the ball being released on a throw-in or (c) the ball being released on a successful field goal if the off-ball foul is a double foul or committed by an offensive player.

Officials are not reasonably certain whether a team had the correct number of players on the court while the ball is in play.
Instant replay will NOT be used to check a successful basket in 1 above if the throw-in, free throw attempt or jump ball started with .2 or .1 on the game The officials will judge the legality of the basket in these situations based on the guidelines as set forth in Comments on the Rules L.[/list]

Instant replay will be immediately triggered by the Replay Center Official in the following situations:


The Replay Center Official is not reasonably certain whether (i) a successful field goal was scored correctly as a 2-point or 3-point field goal during the first 46 minutes of regulation or first three minutes of any overtime period, or (ii) in the case of a called shooting foul at any time during a game, the Replay Center Official is not reasonably certain whether the player was attempting a 2-point or 3-point field goal.

NOTE: If the Replay Center Official did not trigger instant replay in accordance with Section I-b(1) above, the on-court game officials retain the right to independently trigger instant replay (See Section I-a(6)) within the time constraints set forth in Section II-f(1) below

The Replay Center Official is not reasonably certain whether a successful field goal was released prior to expiration of the shot clock during the first 46 minutes of regulation or first three minutes of any overtime period.

NOTE: If the Replay Center Official did not trigger instant replay in accordance with Section 1-b(2) above, the on-court game officials retain the right to independently trigger instant replay (See Section I-a(8)) within the time constraints set forth in Section II-h(1) below.

So no one the out of bounds, and I don't see any mechanism that would cause them to review, it would require an altercation of some sort it seems, such as the Hayes/Crowder one which made them go back and review, or of the defensive player is perceived to have maybe committed a flagrant and they want to check.

This is awesome, thanks. I guess since they called it on Alvarado then they don't look at CP3 shoulder to lip backwards. Anyway, good info for future calls.

[ceiling raiser]

Uhhh no. Cp3 hasn't done **** to warrant that.

If you gift CP3 Shaq, Grant, Rice, Malone, Payton, Gasol, Artest, Odom, Bynum, it isn't even a conversation.

Really? Cp3 would be a top 15 player of all time, only if he could've played with Horace Grant, 40 year olds Karl Malone and Gary Payton! Please.

He's a top 15 player now, he would just be viewed as one by his detractors if he was carried by Big Daddy Shaq.

[TeamTragic]

Is this your first time watching the nba?

It isn't whether I think it's soft or not. It's whether the nba has called it this way all year and then decided to look the other way because CP3 did it to Alvarado.

Or because the playoffs aren't officiated like its game 27 of the regular season. Should it be? Maybe but that's not reality.

They reviewed about 5 times during the raptors/sixers game today for a hostile act.

What CP did there with Alvarado mouth bloodied was FAR worse than anything happened in our game. Going out on a limb and guess you're a Suns fan lol.

I don't know which games you were watching but the referees were favoring the Pelicans pretty heavily. You want to talk about phantom calls, illegal screens and calling flagrant fouls after the fact then look no further.

I understand accidental hits but Jones/Hayes/McCollum were purposely targeting multiple players. I'm not going to sit here and pretend they played a clean series.

[Phystic]

You really think that was a hostile act? Cmon yall....we cant be that soft.

Is this your first time watching the nba?

It isn't whether I think it's soft or not. It's whether the nba has called it this way all year and then decided to look the other way because CP3 did it to Alvarado.

Generally I don't recall the refs reviewing for hostile act on the person who the foul was called for. For example if they had called an offensive foul on Paul, then they could review if his foul was hostile. They will also review if they call a defensive foul and think it might have been flagrant, but I can't recall them reviewing to see if the player who was rewarded FT's committed a hostile act, or calling a defensive foul and reviewing to see if the offensive player committed a hostile act. A review of something like that is only triggered if a coach reviews. Unless someone has an example, I have not seen that happen.

If this is true then it makes sense. I thought refs could review anything if hostile act. Feel like I've seen calls overturned and then flagrant

[og15]

I know they can review out of bounds

Section I—Instant Replay Review Triggers

Instant replay will be triggered in the following situations:

A field goal made with no time remaining on the clock (0:00) at the end of any period. [NOTE: Instant replay will NOT be used to check a successful basket in subsection (1) above if the throw-in, free throw attempt of jump ball started with .2 or .1 on the game clock. The officials will judge the legality of the basket in these situations based on the guidelines as set forth in Comments on the Rules L.

A foul called with no time remaining on the clock (0:00) at the end of any period.

Officials are not reasonably certain whether a personal foul called at any time during a game met the criteria for a flagrant foul.

An Altercation occurs. (For purposes of this instant replay rule only, an Altercation shall mean a situation in which (i) two or more players are engaged in (a) a fight or (b) a hostile physical interaction that is not part of normal basketball play and that does not immediately resolve by itself or with the intervention of game officials or players, or (ii) a player, coach, trainer, or other team bench person commits a hostile act against another player, referee, coach, trainer, team bench person, or spectator (including, for example, through the use of a punch, elbow, kick, blow to the head, shove, or thrown object.)

A play concludes (i) with no time remaining on the clock (0:00) at the end of any period or (ii) at a point when the game officials believe that actual time may have expired in any period; and the officials are reasonably certain that the game clock malfunctioned during the play.

Officials are not reasonably certain at any time during a game whether (i) a successful field goal was scored correctly as a 2-point or 3-point field goal, or (ii) in the case of a called shooting foul, whether the player was attempting a 2-point or 3-point field goal; provided that the Replay Center Official did not trigger instant replay to review these matters as permitted by Section I-b(1)

Officials are not reasonably certain as to which team should be awarded possession after a ball becomes out-of-bounds or whether a called out-of-bounds in fact occurred during the last two minutes of the fourth period or last two minutes of any overtime period(s). [NOTE: Notwithstanding Section (I)(a)(7) above, Section II(g) below, and related provisions, the Official NBA Playing Rules have been modified for the 2021-22 NBA season (one-year trial basis) to (i) eliminate referee-initiated instant replay review of out-of-bounds violations during the last two minutes of the fourth period and the last two minutes of any overtime period; and (ii) extend the Coach’s Challenge (see Rule 14) so teams may trigger replay review of out-of-bounds violations throughout the entire game. Accordingly, a Coach’s Challenge is the only mechanism to trigger replay review of out-of-bounds violations at any point during the game.

Officials are not reasonably certain at any time during a game whether (i) a successful field goal was released prior to the expiration of the shot clock, provided that the Replay Center Official did not trigger instant replay to review this matter as permitted by Section I-b(2) below, or (ii) a called foul was committed prior to the expiration of the shot

Officials are not reasonably certain whether a personal foul called at any time during a game met the criteria for a clear-path-to-the-basket

Officials are not reasonably certain as to which player should attempt free throws on a called

Officials are not reasonably certain whether the ball touched the rim and thus whether the shot clock or game clock should be adjusted during the last two minutes of the fourth period or last two minutes of any overtime period(s).

Officials have determined that illegal contact has occurred on a block/charge foul but are not reasonably certain as to whether the defender was inside or out- side the restricted area during the last two minutes of the fourth period or last two minutes of any overtime period(s).

Officials are not reasonably certain whether a goaltending or basket interference violation was called correctly during the last two minutes of the fourth period or last two minutes of any overtime period(s).

Officials are not reasonably certain whether an off-ball foul occurred prior to offensive player beginning his shooting motion on a successful basket if the off-ball foul is committed by a defensive player, (b) a defensive foul is committed prior to the ball being released on a throw-in or (c) the ball being released on a successful field goal if the off-ball foul is a double foul or committed by an offensive player.

Officials are not reasonably certain whether a team had the correct number of players on the court while the ball is in play.
Instant replay will NOT be used to check a successful basket in 1 above if the throw-in, free throw attempt or jump ball started with .2 or .1 on the game The officials will judge the legality of the basket in these situations based on the guidelines as set forth in Comments on the Rules L.[/list]

Instant replay will be immediately triggered by the Replay Center Official in the following situations:


The Replay Center Official is not reasonably certain whether (i) a successful field goal was scored correctly as a 2-point or 3-point field goal during the first 46 minutes of regulation or first three minutes of any overtime period, or (ii) in the case of a called shooting foul at any time during a game, the Replay Center Official is not reasonably certain whether the player was attempting a 2-point or 3-point field goal.

NOTE: If the Replay Center Official did not trigger instant replay in accordance with Section I-b(1) above, the on-court game officials retain the right to independently trigger instant replay (See Section I-a(6)) within the time constraints set forth in Section II-f(1) below

The Replay Center Official is not reasonably certain whether a successful field goal was released prior to expiration of the shot clock during the first 46 minutes of regulation or first three minutes of any overtime period.

NOTE: If the Replay Center Official did not trigger instant replay in accordance with Section 1-b(2) above, the on-court game officials retain the right to independently trigger instant replay (See Section I-a(8)) within the time constraints set forth in Section II-h(1) below.

So no one the out of bounds, and I don't see any mechanism that would cause them to review, it would require an altercation of some sort it seems, such as the Hayes/Crowder one which made them go back and review, or of the defensive player is perceived to have maybe committed a flagrant and they want to check.

This is awesome, thanks. I guess since they called it on Alvarado then they don't look at CP3 shoulder to lip backwards. Anyway, good info for future calls.

Yea, looks like it would have had to be an offensive foul called, then they could review, unless the coach challenges, but they don't make a call in favor of one person, then go review that person for a flagrant (unless they initially disagreed about the call), at least I don't recall that happening, and doesn't seem to be in the rules.

[TheLand13]

Regular NBA fans, AKA people who don't watch CP3 actually play?

...no.

Because he's mid for a "borderline all star"

What does that have to do with anything? Again, why would CJ become the sixth man once Zion returns? That doesn't make any logical sense. Zion would be replacing Hayes in the starting line up, not CJ. That would be like me saying that Jarrett Allen is going to become Cleveland's sixth man next season when Collin Sexton returns to the lineup.

Why? Because he's not that good and long term it would be in his best interest. What is so hard to understand about that?

The part where Zion coming back is the reason for that. Again, he'd be replacing Hayes more than anything. I feel like you just put the two players together and didn't give it any thought beyond that.

[Tor_Raps]

Or because the playoffs aren't officiated like its game 27 of the regular season. Should it be? Maybe but that's not reality.

They reviewed about 5 times during the raptors/sixers game today for a hostile act.

What CP did there with Alvarado mouth bloodied was FAR worse than anything happened in our game. Going out on a limb and guess you're a Suns fan lol.

I don't know which game you were watching but the referees were favoring the Pelicans pretty heavily. You want to talk about phantom calls, illegal screens and calling flagrant fouls after the fact then look no further.

I understand accidental hits but Jones/Hayes/McCollum were purposely targeting multiple players. I'm not going to sit here and pretend they played a clean series.

I was just speaking to that one play. I was too busy seeing my team get their asses kicked to watch this game lol.

[Whole Truth]

That’s not reviewed for two reasons. Chris Paul was the aggressor and Alvarado is a rookie.

Herb Jones was ehected from the Cats game for less, Paul swung his elbow back, Miles Bridges was leaning in as Herb was going up. Flagrant 2 & ejection. Alvarado showing the blood, they don't care. Pivitol call in crunch time. Challenge burned.

[og15]

Or because the playoffs aren't officiated like its game 27 of the regular season. Should it be? Maybe but that's not reality.

They reviewed about 5 times during the raptors/sixers game today for a hostile act.

What CP did there with Alvarado mouth bloodied was FAR worse than anything happened in our game. Going out on a limb and guess you're a Suns fan lol.

I don't know which game you were watching but the referees were favoring the Pelicans pretty heavily. You want to talk about phantom calls, illegal screens and calling flagrant fouls after the fact then look no further.

I understand accidental hits but Jones/Hayes/McCollum were purposely targeting multiple players. I'm not going to sit here and pretend they played a clean series.

no they weren't. The refs just made NBA ref calls both ways all game, it just is noticed more by people if calls are made in succession. Pels had a rough stretch of calls with the offensive fouls, some rookie mistakes, but the CJ one was inadvertent, but of course easier to say from slow motion than in real time, but they had no challenge.

[itlnsunsfan]

Paul just won the championship. You can hear it in his voice

He always sounds emotional in post game interviews.

[Funcrusher]

...no.



What does that have to do with anything? Again, why would CJ become the sixth man once Zion returns? That doesn't make any logical sense. Zion would be replacing Hayes in the starting line up, not CJ. That would be like me saying that Jarrett Allen is going to become Cleveland's sixth man next season when Collin Sexton returns to the lineup.

Why? Because he's not that good and long term it would be in his best interest. What is so hard to understand about that?

The part where Zion coming back is the reason for that. Again, he'd be replacing Hayes more than anything. I feel like you just put the two players together and didn't give it any thought beyond that.

Bro, you serious? Id rather start jose or trey over cj. Im aware that zion isn't replacing cj, no need to act dense