Woj/Shams Bomb: Porzingis traded to Celtics Part Deux! Grizzlies involved, Marcus Smart to Grizz - Tyus Jones to Wiz

[Godymas]

Gobert trade? Paul George one with okc? Harden to Houston from okc?

Worse than all of those. Yes. Smart is a warrior. They will never win without him

You understand that since Smart has entered the league he has been on zero title teams. Obviously teams can win without him.

I want to see the protections on that 2024 pick. Memphis can't be dumb enough to not protect that thing with Ja Morant being out a quarter of the year.

You’re really underestimating how good Memphis is without Ja now. They basically have 2 All Stars and a former DPOY still starting. Bane and JJJ very well could be all stars this year

[Nuntius]

Smart wasn't much of a point guard though. He's a great defender but his facilitation leaves much to be desired. He's put all his brain cells to defending and not into thinking on the offensive side.

But that tells you how bad the Celtics are at that spot in terms of playmaking. They have needed a pass first PG for a long time and need one even more now.

Still made out like bandits value wise but not sure if it'll carry over to the court.

Pass first PGs are a thing of the past in today's NBA. There are only a few at the moment (Lowry, Chris Paul and Ball maybe? Lowry and Paul are available but that's gonna break the cap rules for Celtics.)

Pure pass-first PGs (the types that just pass and rarely look to score) are a thing of the past, I agree. But you still have some a lot of really good young players with legit PG skills. Tyrese Haliburton, Ja Morant, Trae Young, LaMelo Ball, Darius Garland are all good examples of that.

[Profound23]

Didn't expect Boston to trade Smart.

If they lose Smart and Grant Williams I actually won't dislike them as much. Thats gonna be weird

[AussieCeltic]

I love Smart. Everything he’s done for this team. He’s an absolute warrior and Grizz fans will love him.

But… he had clearly lost a step last year. He was getting destroyed by opposing guards and if he can’t defend anymore he’s really just an average guy to have.

White is clearly better and this opens plenty of time for him. I still think there is a Pritchard and picks move for a pass first PG. Ironically, Tyus Jones, CP3 or even Monte Morris would be ideal.

[Nuntius]

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Accurate and I don't even blame the new Wizards FO. It's an indictment to how bad that Beal contract was, how weird KP's timing with his injury history and looming new deal is and an indictment of how monumentally and dumbfoundingly awful was that Gobert deal.

[srhcan]

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Lol, this time it's for real. Bill Simmons crying right now.

It's the battle of the bombs!! Woj, then Shams with the bigger nuclear detonation!!!

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End of an era!

Picks too!

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Damn Celtics is nasty. They get the best player in the trade and also get 2 first round picks?

[Mickey8]

Boston just got worse by adding the player that is always injured and doesn't influence the winning . They will miss Smart a lot.

[NBAfan3024]

KP clearly more talented but his health is a question mark

[BleedGreen1989]

But that tells you how bad the Celtics are at that spot in terms of playmaking. They have needed a pass first PG for a long time and need one even more now.

Still made out like bandits value wise but not sure if it'll carry over to the court.

Pass first PGs are a thing of the past in today's NBA. There are only a few at the moment (Lowry, Chris Paul and Ball maybe? Lowry and Paul are available but that's gonna break the cap rules for Celtics.)

Pure pass-first PGs (the types that just pass and rarely look to score) are a thing of the past, I agree. But you still have some a lot of really good young players with legit PG skills. Tyrese Haliburton, Ja Morant, Trae Young, LaMelo Ball, Darius Garland are all good examples of that.

So the Celtics should trade for one of them? Sign me up.

I purposely being cheeky, but this prototype is not entirely easy to find/trade for.

[chilluminati]

Wow I'm more concerned with Memphis losing Jones than I am the Celtics losing Smart. Can Smart provide what Jones did in Memphis for 25 games while Ja is in the IG slammer?

Boston will figure it out, although they're taking a risk on KP. His health and shaky fit with teams should have Boston a bit concerned.

Also congratulations Wizards fans, this is your first step out of purgatory. It'll be some years still, but this is the step every FO needs to take before they can be successful down the road.

[Nuntius]

Porzingis would opt out if not dealt and Wizz would lost him for nothing. Maybe Porzingis value is just low around the league. I remind all of you that Mavs sold him for Dinwiddie, a terrible contract in Bertans and a 2nd round pick.

Yeah, KP's value has always been weird. Somewhere between his health concerns and his wonky fit on the basketball court (plus the whole thing that the idea of KP is often better than the reality of KP) he can get both overvalued and undervalued at the same time. Add in the timing of his contract and his value just isn't sky-high.

[Nuntius]

Pass first PGs are a thing of the past in today's NBA. There are only a few at the moment (Lowry, Chris Paul and Ball maybe? Lowry and Paul are available but that's gonna break the cap rules for Celtics.)

Pure pass-first PGs (the types that just pass and rarely look to score) are a thing of the past, I agree. But you still have some a lot of really good young players with legit PG skills. Tyrese Haliburton, Ja Morant, Trae Young, LaMelo Ball, Darius Garland are all good examples of that.

So the Celtics should trade for one of them? Sign me up.

I purposely being cheeky, but this prototype is not entirely easy to find/trade for.

Oh, it absolutely is hard to find/trade for. For what is worth, I do think that between White/Tatum/Brogdon, you'll do alright creation-wise. Just don't have Brogdon be your primary ball-handler. Just put him off the ball and have him defend wings. That's where he can shine.

[Optimus_Steel]

Pretty hilarious to hear the takes on Smart. The guy is tremendously overated. He can't shoot and score, he can't pass, is a floor shrinker. His defense is not that good anymore, just coasting on past perception reading the posts here. He is a role player that for certain circumstances, partly because he wears green hair and reps the Celtics hard, has gotten too long a leash and too big a role that he is clearly not capable of handling. It was time to move on for Boston. This a home run trade for Boston getting Porzingas, will give them a legitimate 3rd offensive threat they lacked and space the floor for the talented but basic dribblers Tatum/Brown. Also easily an upgrade in the frontcourt. The thing that I question is why is Boston getting two picks when they are getting the best player in return? The Wiz couldn't manage to at least nab one? I get the total teardown but get a pick back too.

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[Nuntius]

What is Memphis doing? Did they really trade two picks

Alot of people are confused.

Both Tyus Jones and KP will be free agents next summer while Smart has a 3 year contract.

Grizz also traded two late first round picks 25 this year and the Warriors pick next year.

People get crazy when they hear multiple first round picks but late 20 something picks are no that valuable especially with the team full of young players like Memphis who starving for veteran lederadership.

Exactly. And for Memphis, it isn't just about Marcus Smart, the basketball player. It is also about Marcus Smart, the veteran locker room leader.

Ja Morant completely unraveled this season mentally. I have never seen something similar in the 10 years I've followed the league. Memphis will go as far as Ja goes. If Ja keeps unraveling, they're never going anywhere. Memphis absolutely needed someone to help them bring about a culture change in this locker room. They needed someone to help them get Ja's head back in the game. Pulling Ja out of this self-destructive spiral he was on this year is worth a lot more than those draft picks.

Is Smart the kind of guy that can change the culture and get Ja's head back in the game? I don't know for sure. But he does have a very good chance of being exactly that and Memphis really, desperately needs that.

[chrisab123]

Wow I'm more concerned with Memphis losing Jones than I am the Celtics losing Smart. Can Smart provide what Jones did in Memphis for 25 games while Ja is in the IG slammer?

Boston will figure it out, although they're taking a risk on KP. His health and shaky fit with teams should have Boston a bit concerned.

Also congratulations Wizards fans, this is your first step out of purgatory. It'll be some years still, but this is the step every FO needs to take before they can be successful down the road.

This is KPs first real shot on a contender. Lets see what happens. Hes been on losers or teams that weren't ready his entire career. He's probably getting extended too so you'll see the core of Jaylen Jayson and KP for a couple years.

While Ja is out Smart gets to prove he can be a #1 which is what he wanted

[ChiTownHero1992]

Hey not bad my two least favorite players in the league working in tandem to run the memphis offense...even more reason to never watch another Grizzlies game again!

[Saul Goodman]

Celtics should go for Fred



To Toronto
2024 GSW 1st
Brogdon
Muscala


To boston
Fred VanVleet

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[ITYSL]

It's great that we got KP but I just wish the deal where we dealt Brogdon instead of Smart didn't fall through. As I said earlier when the Celtics were eliminated, I wanted to keep Smart because he could help rebuild the team's defensive identity, something the team was sorely missing at times this season.

I also don't think this is a one-year rental for the Celtics. I doubt that they'd make this deal unless they had every intention of trying to re-sign KP. Horford is getting old and the team isn't sold on Williams continuing to improve and stay healthy.

One of the big issues of the remaining team is health. They have to limit Horford minutes. KP and Williams have been injury prone in the past. Brogdon the same. If the Celtics can be healthy come playoff time, they'll be one of the teams to beat. But that is no guarantee.

[Triple7]

This is an incredible move for the Celtics. Let's stop the nonsense and all admit that

There’s Celtics fans on Twitter saying we won’t get out of round one.

This trade was an absolute gut punch and makes me want to cry but I think it was a great deal.

Cry for Marcus? lol
I’m actually glad he’s gone. Time for the Jays to man up. Especially Tatum. Excited for White.