Wembanyama. I'm concerned

[Bornstellar]

I feel sorry the NBA put him in San Antonio.

He should have been in Charlotte with LaMelo and Bridges. That could have been a OKC like turnaround.

The NBA have been screwing Charlotte for years with big man we missed out on Shaq/Dwight/AD now Wemby.smh

The NBA did not "put him" in San Antonio, they won the lottery.

The conspiracy theorists on this board need to stop crying already. Everything we've seen thus far should make it very obvious why rigging anything for SA makes absolutely no sense

[MoneyTalks41890]

I wasn't concerned until Pop had his little moment. I'm not sure he's being developed by someone that has all their faculties intact

The internet just loves ageism. People don't just get older and automatically become mentally incompetent, it's wild how people so easily just suggest that it's some declining mental ability issue whenever someone old does something different.

Yeah that move is 100 percent on brand for Pop and everything he’s ever been about, even if you don’t agree with it it’s not some global shift in how he acts.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Also want to add Wemby vs Holmgren's plus/minus numbers: Wemby is at-114; Holmgren is at+73

Wemby is at -114 when SA is -201 as a team
Holmgren is +73 when OKC is +136 as a team.

This sound more like cherry picking stat that a really usefull metric to judge those two players...

plus minus measures how a team performs while a certain player is on the court. it seems that the Spurs are not better as a team when Wemby is on the floor while OKC is better when Holmgren is. I don t even know what a team plus minus is supposed to indicate. That s not what the statistic is for.

Do you need it explained that OKC is playing winning basketball regardless of if Chet plays or not and the inverse is true of Wembenyama and his team? You've never thought to compare a player's plus minus with the overall teams point differential?

[GreatWhiteStiff]

How good or mid is Wembanyama defensively? He's putting up a lot of blocks, does that mean he is playing great or even good defence?

[Bornstellar]

How good or mid is Wembanyama defensively? He's putting up a lot of blocks, does that mean he is playing great or even good defence?

He'd be a lot more effective if SA let him play as a C instead of having him on the perimeter on defense. It's remarkable he's averaging as many blocks as he is considering he is never under the basket on defense

[Bornstellar]

I posted this in the rookie thread but I'll post it here as well.

For anyone wondering why Wemby needs an actual PG and how it's impacting his numbers? See below:


Sochan on the break, looking directly ahead at Wemby as he positions himself under the basket, wide open

Sochan stops for some reason and turns around, despite Vic being WIDE OPEN two feet from the rim

Sochan passes the ball behind him to a trailing Collins at the three point line, despite Victor being completely wide open this entire sequence. How do you miss a 7'4" guy??

Collins sees him and tries to throw the pass but by then it's too late, Clips rotate and break up the pass attempt

This s*** happens every single game, multiple times a game. And it's not just Sochan that misses him. Put some competent players around him that can actually throw an effing pass to him and you'll see his numbers and efficiency go up considerably

[Phreak50]

That's just Sochan pretending not to see him because he knows he isn't capable of making that pass.

The point guard who backs down, crab dribbling from the back court whenever a decent defender is on him. The point guard that can't dribble.

Just imagine next year that is Lebron. (Yes I still believe the front office have this as a top priority if they secure a couple top 10-15 picks, to use one on Bronny).

[Roy T]

Just get him Ricky Rubio

[Kineto]

Just get him Ricky Rubio

It's come to the point where I'm ready to take Rajon Rondo

[JustBuzzin]

I feel sorry the NBA put him in San Antonio.

He should have been in Charlotte with LaMelo and Bridges. That could have been a OKC like turnaround.

The NBA have been screwing Charlotte for years with big man we missed out on Shaq/Dwight/AD now Wemby.smh

The NBA did not "put him" in San Antonio, they won the lottery.

The conspiracy theorists on this board need to stop crying already. Everything we've seen thus far should make it very obvious why rigging anything for SA makes absolutely no sense

Check the Hornets history when it comes to missing out on transcendent bigs.

#2 pick seems to be our go to whenever a generational big is available. We missed out on Shaq/Dwight/AD/Wemby


Either we have **** luck or something is fishy going on when it comes to us not getting that big.

[JeffReal]

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Sochan stops for some reason and turns around, …

I think that reason has a name. Kawhi Leonard. Don’t take it for granted Sochan really saw Wemby, except as a vague, moving shape somewhere behind Kawhi. Kawhi scared him. Who’s going to notice what’s behind the truck that’s about to run over them?

Sochan has so little confidence in his pg ability that all he wanted to do was stay away from Kawhi. As we see him do. The Spurs need an actual point guard, who won’t be so easily intimidated.

[ArtMorte]

This is the problem with tanking. You finally land someone good. Only to realize everyone on your roster is detrimental to their development.

[zimpy27]

He floats in his threes. Once he stops jumping A to B and only takes the good ones he’ll improve his percentage. A real PG gets him 6-10 high efficiency points a game on lobs, breaks and post setups. Add decent free throw shooting and I see a mid-high 20’s scorer on solid efficiency. We’ll see how it goes. To me it’s shot diet, not skillset that’s the issue on offense.

He just doesn't have the self-creation skills to get into that 25-28 range unless it's with sub-55% TS efficiency.

Even with a good PG setting him up, the PG is likely going to be able to setup non-Victor players for better looks IMO.

Do you think Giannis had much better self creation skills, factoring in player development for Wemby? What were seeing is his floor in that department. I think he can absolutely become a top tier scorer, like Giannis.

Yes, significantly better

[bwgood77]

The only thing I'm concerned about is the Spurs getting all these nationally televised games when there are so much better teams/games on. If it's starting now, oh boy...

[bigboi]

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I feel sorry the NBA put him in San Antonio.

He should have been in Charlotte with LaMelo and Bridges. That could have been a OKC like turnaround.

The NBA have been screwing Charlotte for years with big man we missed out on Shaq/Dwight/AD now Wemby.smh

The NBA did not "put him" in San Antonio, they won the lottery.

The conspiracy theorists on this board need to stop crying already. Everything we've seen thus far should make it very obvious why rigging anything for SA makes absolutely no sense

Rigging for San Antonio makes perfect sense lol. He was getting mentored by SA players early

[JustBuzzin]

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I feel sorry the NBA put him in San Antonio.

He should have been in Charlotte with LaMelo and Bridges. That could have been a OKC like turnaround.

The NBA have been screwing Charlotte for years with big man we missed out on Shaq/Dwight/AD now Wemby.smh

The NBA did not "put him" in San Antonio, they won the lottery.

The conspiracy theorists on this board need to stop crying already. Everything we've seen thus far should make it very obvious why rigging anything for SA makes absolutely no sense

Rigging for San Antonio makes perfect sense lol. He was getting mentored by SA players early

It is so obvious.

I don't know why fans think the lottery is real. Certain stars go to certain markets. Hell when LeBron was coming out of high school did you honestly think someone other than Cleveland was going to get LeBron?


It would have been crazy for LeBron going to Detroit. That team wins a championship out of the gate. NBA put him in his home state and the rest is history!

[Bornstellar]

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The NBA did not "put him" in San Antonio, they won the lottery.

The conspiracy theorists on this board need to stop crying already. Everything we've seen thus far should make it very obvious why rigging anything for SA makes absolutely no sense

Rigging for San Antonio makes perfect sense lol. He was getting mentored by SA players early

It is so obvious.

I don't know why fans think the lottery is real. Certain stars go to certain markets. Hell when LeBron was coming out of high school did you honestly think someone other than Cleveland was going to get LeBron?


It would have been crazy for LeBron going to Detroit. That team wins a championship out of the gate. NBA put him in his home state and the rest is history!

People think it's real because it is and it's actually recorded and you can watch the full thing if you want:

Watch on YouTube

The entire lottery is luck based. Idk how you can look at 14% odds and wonder how you didn't win. The entire thing is luck based. And to think the NBA would conspire to send him to a team that no one cares about with a coach that won't play him in an "exciting" way, and won't even give him a PG, versus sending him to play with an electric PG like LaMelo who together with Wemby would be absolutely must-see TV, is mind boggling

Seriously dude, it's not really hard to understand. Wemby + LaMelo = highlights for days. Wemby + putrid Spurs roster = basically unwatchable. If you think the NBA decided it was best to have the best prospect ever go to a team that does not care about how marketable he is to the NBA, I don't know what to tell you. I get your franchise has had bad luck, but again, you are much more likely to lose the lottery than win it.

[Bornstellar]

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I feel sorry the NBA put him in San Antonio.

He should have been in Charlotte with LaMelo and Bridges. That could have been a OKC like turnaround.

The NBA have been screwing Charlotte for years with big man we missed out on Shaq/Dwight/AD now Wemby.smh

The NBA did not "put him" in San Antonio, they won the lottery.

The conspiracy theorists on this board need to stop crying already. Everything we've seen thus far should make it very obvious why rigging anything for SA makes absolutely no sense

Rigging for San Antonio makes perfect sense lol. He was getting mentored by SA players early

How does it make "perfect sense?" Explain your reasoning. But let me guess, it doesn't actually make perfect sense and your reasoning basically boils down to tHeY wOn ThE lOtTeRy iN 87 aNd 97

[Miami_Lux]

Wemby is at -114 when SA is -201 as a team
Holmgren is +73 when OKC is +136 as a team.

This sound more like cherry picking stat that a really usefull metric to judge those two players...

plus minus measures how a team performs while a certain player is on the court. it seems that the Spurs are not better as a team when Wemby is on the floor while OKC is better when Holmgren is. I don t even know what a team plus minus is supposed to indicate. That s not what the statistic is for.

If a team sucks in general, then almost every player on the team will have bad +/-, you don’t really have a positive +/- playing big minutes on a very bad team, how would that make sense?

You have to understand what you are citing, that’s not an individual comparison stat. SGA was -7.9 and -6.8 in +/- in 20-21 and 21-22, did that mean he was worse or less impactful than Lou Williams who was +1.7 and +0.6 those seasons, you tell me? Does that mean he had less impact than 19-20 when he was +2.7 on a winning OKC team? What do you think?

The Spurs are -11.7 when he’s in the court, yes, but they are an even worse -14.6 when he’s off the court. Plus minus of a player on a tanking team compared to a player on a playoff aspiring team is a useless comparison.

I agree that +/- should not be the sole metric to determine the impact of a player on winning basketball. And obviously if the team is bad as a whole it s harder to have a positive +/-. However it does give you an idea how much a player can impact winning basketball. Look at LeBron, KD, Jokic, etcc. Even in their younger years, all these generational talents had much more impact on winning,

[Pelly24]

This is not supposed to be a reactionary thread. I understand that we are not even one quarter into the season but nonetheless there are quite a few concerning observations about Wemby's actual ceiling.
Let's look at his numbers over the last six games following his 38-point game against the Suns. 38/100 (38%) from the field, 9/35 (26%) from three. I understand that San Antonio has a bad team, a PG that is not a PG (i.e. Sochan), and overall his teammates don't give him the ball in good spots as much as they should.
However, I was told Wemby was a great shooter for his length but he demonstrately is not. While his three-point shot may look good, his percentages are just abysmal. I don t think he will ever become a great shooter if he can t shoot even 30% from the three-point line.
Second, from watching the game, I think his handles are very suspect. He gets stripped a lot and his movement with the ball is very clunky at times making it easy for good defenders to strip the ball away from.
I don t think Wemby will be a bust. He can become an elite defender but offensively right now he just looks like a taller Porzingis.
Please don t hate me.

He's a great prospect, but he was never a proven shooter in the league he was in last year. His ceiling will largely depend on how well he can score inside the arc. He's so tall he's at that level of outlier where size can be a limitation