NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

[AussieCeltic]

What injuries during the playoffs did they have?

Yeah they lost Ime, my bad, forgot about that, did they have a player say he won't shoot? Did they have one who didn't want to play for a coach?

How about outside the playoffs, did the Celtics have a GM who posted on social media **** on their star player with burners? Did the league step in and take out one of the best basketball GMs of the decade? Did they have a 1st round pick who forgot how to shoot, and then one who just refused to shoot? Did they have an organization that let their player play through torn meniscus during the regular season, only to realize that he was hurt, and then shut him down?

Did they have a player who broke their oribital bone twice, tore a meniscus, tore a finger ligament, and had a sprained lcl during the playoffs, all in seperate playoff series?

Are you really trying to compare the **** that Embiid has had to deal with compared to the Celtics. And my post was horse ****? LMAO

Maybe sit the playoff talk out champ.

If there is one fan base who shouldn’t talk smack about playoff performances it’s Sixer fans.

It’s funny how you deem Tatum/Brown failures for not winning a championship by age 26, yet your 2x MVP hasn’t even reached a 2nd round by age 29.

Oh and btw. KP has played more games than Embiid this year. If anyone could break down at any stage, it’s definitely Embiid.

Say everything you want, but you don't actually have a response to what I said. The truth is, no, the Celtics have not dealt with an ounce of the **** the Sixers have dealt with.

Porzingis is a walking injury, worse than Embiid, nobody buys him being healthy, might be able to say the same about Embiid, one is performing like a top 30 player when he plays, the other plays like the best player in the world.

Oh yes, Brown and Tatum are so young. Funny, that doesnt' seem to be what i hear every time there is a Celtics collapse on your board. More like Tatum is a fraud and people can't believe that Brown got that contract.

Yeh Tatum never suffered adversity.

2017-18 (his rookie season) Go over win total and go further in playoffs than pre season predictions

- Gordon Hayward injured first game of the year.
- Kyrie injured a month prior to the playoff.
- Rookie Tatum beats Giannis' Bucks, Embiid Sixers, take Lebron Cavs to game 7
- Highest playoff mins for Celtics were Tatum, Brown (missed a game v Sixers), Horford, Rozier, Smart, Aaron Baynes, Marcus Morris, Semi Ojeleye, Shane Larkin, Abdul Nader.

2018 - 19

- Hayward comes back a shell of himself
- Kyrie turns into a weirdo in the playoffs vs the Bucks and shoots 25/83 for 30% FG the last 4 games. Lose to Bucks in 5.

2019 - 20 - Bubble Season Go further in playoffs than pre season predictions

- Lose Kyrie, lose Horford
- Hayward injured game 1, round 1 vs Philly (Boston still sweeps LOL)
- Daniel Theis, Brad Wanamaker, Semi Ojeleye playing major mins
- Lose in game 7 of Conference finals vs Heat. Tatum only 22 years old, Brown 23.

2020 - 21 -

- Brown injured before the playoffs and doesn't play. Matchup with Nets trio of KD, Harden, Kyrie in round 1.
- Tristan Thompson, Evan Fournier and the corpse of Kemba Walker are his other starters.
- Tatum avoids a sweep. Drops 50 in game 3, 40 in game 4.

2021 - 22 Go over win total and go further in playoffs than pre season predictions

- Stevens steps down, Ime takes over
- Start the season 22w - 22l - Calls for Tatum and Brown to be traded,
- Down 3-2 to Bucks, Tatum drops 46 in Milwaukee.
- Rob Williams, Al Horford, Derrick White, Marcus Smart ALL miss time in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
- Tatum injures wrist in finals

2022 - 23 First season they're favoured to win it all

- Ime scandal to start the season. Joe takes over.
- Rob injured again
- Sixers up 3-2. Sixers have the lead at home and then Tatum ices them. Then drops a game 7 record 51 on ya boys head.
- Down 0 - 3. Brings it back to game 7 and then gets injured on the very first play of the game.

But sure, he's never dealt with adversity because we don't cry about it like Embiid/Sixer fans. One guy gets the job done, the other doesn't.

All Embiids above average playoff performances have come against froncourts like Daniel Gafford / Davis Bertans, Khem Birch / Chris Boucher and Nic Claxton / DFS.

One guy steps up in the biggest moments, the other goes and hides in a hole.

[AleksandarN]

Wait are the Nuggets trollling? Lol

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[Hussien Fatal]

Just going to leave this tweet here. (Yes I know he didn't play in 9 4th quarters) lol

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Stupid stat considering Embiid scores way more points than Jokic. He’s almost averaging 10ppg more than Jokic at the moment. And for you to just completely ignore the fact that Embiid didn’t play the 4th quarter in 9 of the 28 games he’s played this season is just ridiculous. This means he sits a 4th quarter 1 out of every 3 games he plays……..1/3!

Not to mention Jokic has scored 1021pts in his 40 games played this season. Embiid in 12 less games has 976pts this season. So in 12 EXTRA games Jokic only has 45 more points than Embiid this season. 12 EXTRA games!

[GrandTheftRondo]

What injuries during the playoffs did they have?

Yeah they lost Ime, my bad, forgot about that, did they have a player say he won't shoot? Did they have one who didn't want to play for a coach?

How about outside the playoffs, did the Celtics have a GM who posted on social media **** on their star player with burners? Did the league step in and take out one of the best basketball GMs of the decade? Did they have a 1st round pick who forgot how to shoot, and then one who just refused to shoot? Did they have an organization that let their player play through torn meniscus during the regular season, only to realize that he was hurt, and then shut him down?

Did they have a player who broke their oribital bone twice, tore a meniscus, tore a finger ligament, and had a sprained lcl during the playoffs, all in seperate playoff series?

Are you really trying to compare the **** that Embiid has had to deal with compared to the Celtics. And my post was horse ****? LMAO

Maybe sit the playoff talk out champ.

If there is one fan base who shouldn’t talk smack about playoff performances it’s Sixer fans.

It’s funny how you deem Tatum/Brown failures for not winning a championship by age 26, yet your 2x MVP hasn’t even reached a 2nd round by age 29.

Oh and btw. KP has played more games than Embiid this year. If anyone could break down at any stage, it’s definitely Embiid.

Say everything you want, but you don't actually have a response to what I said. The truth is, no, the Celtics have not dealt with an ounce of the **** the Sixers have dealt with.

Porzingis is a walking injury, worse than Embiid, nobody buys him being healthy, might be able to say the same about Embiid, one is performing like a top 30 player when he plays, the other plays like the best player in the world.

Oh yes, Brown and Tatum are so young. Funny, that doesnt' seem to be what i hear every time there is a Celtics collapse on your board. More like Tatum is a fraud and people can't believe that Brown got that contract.

AussieCeltic summed it up perfectly.

You’re either trolling or are just completely clueless if you think everything’s been smooth sailing for Tatum and co.

Boston has dealt with plenty of adversity since Tatum came aboard.

Difference is they’ve weathered the storm and made the finals and multiple ECFs in the era the Sixers have been meant to dominate.

You can try trolling all Tatum and Brown you want but rarely if ever do star players win chips by the time they’re 25.

Plenty of them for them to win. Meanwhile Joel Embiid is about to turn 30. Clocks ticking…..

[Lakers In 5]

Interesting looks like Embiid has matured a bit and doesn't care about regular season accolades. It's all about a ring or bust for him. Good that his goals and mentality are different this year compared to last.

It's a funny quote, knowing he re-entered tonights game in the 4th quarter up 20 to get two extra rebounds and his latest injury was due to stat padding. Actions speak louder than words.

[scrabbarista]

Just going to leave this tweet here. (Yes I know he didn't play in 9 4th quarters) lol

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Stupid stat considering Embiid scores way more points than Jokic. He’s almost averaging 10ppg more than Jokic at the moment. And for you to just completely ignore the fact that Embiid didn’t play the 4th quarter in 9 of the 28 games he’s played this season is just ridiculous. This means he sits a 4th quarter 1 out of every 3 games he plays……..1/3!

Not to mention Jokic has scored 1021pts in his 40 games played this season. Embiid in 12 less games has 976pts this season. So in 12 EXTRA games Jokic only has 45 more points than Embiid this season. 12 EXTRA games!

So now the games on the schedule count as "EXTRA" games?

What's the difference between the regular games and the extra ones? How do you tell the difference? I'm confused.

[AleksandarN]

Just going to leave this tweet here. (Yes I know he didn't play in 9 4th quarters) lol

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Stupid stat considering Embiid scores way more points than Jokic. He’s almost averaging 10ppg more than Jokic at the moment. And for you to just completely ignore the fact that Embiid didn’t play the 4th quarter in 9 of the 28 games he’s played this season is just ridiculous. This means he sits a 4th quarter 1 out of every 3 games he plays……..1/3!

Not to mention Jokic has scored 1021pts in his 40 games played this season. Embiid in 12 less games has 976pts this season. So in 12 EXTRA games Jokic only has 45 more points than Embiid this season. 12 EXTRA games!

I literally said that in my post lol. You quoted me.

[RB34]

Embiids situation kinda reminds me of Kyrie from his Brooklyn days when he was only playing at home or whatever.

Stats were insane because he had that much more rest than everyone else.

[Hussien Fatal]

Just going to leave this tweet here. (Yes I know he didn't play in 9 4th quarters) lol

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Stupid stat considering Embiid scores way more points than Jokic. He’s almost averaging 10ppg more than Jokic at the moment. And for you to just completely ignore the fact that Embiid didn’t play the 4th quarter in 9 of the 28 games he’s played this season is just ridiculous. This means he sits a 4th quarter 1 out of every 3 games he plays……..1/3!

Not to mention Jokic has scored 1021pts in his 40 games played this season. Embiid in 12 less games has 976pts this season. So in 12 EXTRA games Jokic only has 45 more points than Embiid this season. 12 EXTRA games!

I literally said that in my post lol. You quoted me.

Yep you said that in your post followed by an “lol” as if you were blowing it off. Which brings me to the question why even drop that tweet if you were going to reply to the tweet with a rebuttal against your point? Makes no sense.

[Hussien Fatal]

Just going to leave this tweet here. (Yes I know he didn't play in 9 4th quarters) lol

Read on Twitter

Stupid stat considering Embiid scores way more points than Jokic. He’s almost averaging 10ppg more than Jokic at the moment. And for you to just completely ignore the fact that Embiid didn’t play the 4th quarter in 9 of the 28 games he’s played this season is just ridiculous. This means he sits a 4th quarter 1 out of every 3 games he plays……..1/3!

Not to mention Jokic has scored 1021pts in his 40 games played this season. Embiid in 12 less games has 976pts this season. So in 12 EXTRA games Jokic only has 45 more points than Embiid this season. 12 EXTRA games!

So now the games on the schedule count as "EXTRA" games?

What's the difference between the regular games and the extra ones? How do you tell the difference? I'm confused.

Well I definitely don’t doubt that you are confused! No surprise there. Anyways.

Would you like me to use a different word like “more” instead of extra? I could of did that but I didn’t considering it means the same thing.

[Cubbies2120]

Holy smokes, Embiid truly is the GOAT front runner. It explains why when things get difficult, he shrinks. 71 points on the season when up 25+…dude is getting injured playing garbage minutes while stat padding.

[Wolfgang630]

I’m gonna laugh if Jokic takes like 5 shots lol

[eyeatoma]

Maybe sit the playoff talk out champ.

If there is one fan base who shouldn’t talk smack about playoff performances it’s Sixer fans.

It’s funny how you deem Tatum/Brown failures for not winning a championship by age 26, yet your 2x MVP hasn’t even reached a 2nd round by age 29.

Oh and btw. KP has played more games than Embiid this year. If anyone could break down at any stage, it’s definitely Embiid.

Say everything you want, but you don't actually have a response to what I said. The truth is, no, the Celtics have not dealt with an ounce of the **** the Sixers have dealt with.

Porzingis is a walking injury, worse than Embiid, nobody buys him being healthy, might be able to say the same about Embiid, one is performing like a top 30 player when he plays, the other plays like the best player in the world.

Oh yes, Brown and Tatum are so young. Funny, that doesnt' seem to be what i hear every time there is a Celtics collapse on your board. More like Tatum is a fraud and people can't believe that Brown got that contract.

Yeh Tatum never suffered adversity.

2017-18 (his rookie season) Go over win total and go further in playoffs than pre season predictions

- Gordon Hayward injured first game of the year.
- Kyrie injured a month prior to the playoff.
- Rookie Tatum beats Giannis' Bucks, Embiid Sixers, take Lebron Cavs to game 7
- Highest playoff mins for Celtics were Tatum, Brown (missed a game v Sixers), Horford, Rozier, Smart, Aaron Baynes, Marcus Morris, Semi Ojeleye, Shane Larkin, Abdul Nader.

2018 - 19

- Hayward comes back a shell of himself
- Kyrie turns into a weirdo in the playoffs vs the Bucks and shoots 25/83 for 30% FG the last 4 games. Lose to Bucks in 5.

2019 - 20 - Bubble Season Go further in playoffs than pre season predictions

- Lose Kyrie, lose Horford
- Hayward injured game 1, round 1 vs Philly (Boston still sweeps LOL)
- Daniel Theis, Brad Wanamaker, Semi Ojeleye playing major mins
- Lose in game 7 of Conference finals vs Heat. Tatum only 22 years old, Brown 23.

2020 - 21 -

- Brown injured before the playoffs and doesn't play. Matchup with Nets trio of KD, Harden, Kyrie in round 1.
- Tristan Thompson, Evan Fournier and the corpse of Kemba Walker are his other starters.
- Tatum avoids a sweep. Drops 50 in game 3, 40 in game 4.

2021 - 22 Go over win total and go further in playoffs than pre season predictions

- Stevens steps down, Ime takes over
- Start the season 22w - 22l - Calls for Tatum and Brown to be traded,
- Down 3-2 to Bucks, Tatum drops 46 in Milwaukee.
- Rob Williams, Al Horford, Derrick White, Marcus Smart ALL miss time in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
- Tatum injures wrist in finals

2022 - 23 First season they're favoured to win it all

- Ime scandal to start the season. Joe takes over.
- Rob injured again
- Sixers up 3-2. Sixers have the lead at home and then Tatum ices them. Then drops a game 7 record 51 on ya boys head.
- Down 0 - 3. Brings it back to game 7 and then gets injured on the very first play of the game.

But sure, he's never dealt with adversity because we don't cry about it like Embiid/Sixer fans. One guy gets the job done, the other doesn't.

All Embiids above average playoff performances have come against froncourts like Daniel Gafford / Davis Bertans, Khem Birch / Chris Boucher and Nic Claxton / DFS.

One guy steps up in the biggest moments, the other goes and hides in a hole.

All of this pales in comparison to what the Sixers have had to go through since the start of "The Process". Hell, right before that they dealt with the Bynum fiasco, and prior to that Elton Brand was given the max and was a shell of his former all star self. Regardless of if the Sixers win a chip or not, there will probably be a 30 for 30 documentary about the dark cloud that hung over that franchise, much of which was out of the Sixers control, and a lot which was their own doing. The level of incompetency, pure bad luck, and randomness is basically unprecedented in NBA history.

I will say though that Tatum has shown up more, than not during the playoffs. His more recent playoffs though, he goes through big ruts, but again comes up big during the most important poinst (like against the sixers in the 4th quarter of game 6, and then the explosion in game 7).

[eyeatoma]

Holy smokes, Embiid truly is the GOAT front runner. It explains why when things get difficult, he shrinks. 71 points on the season when up 25+…dude is getting injured playing garbage minutes while stat padding.

At this point, please, make a youtube channel. You need a platform!!! You could make big bucks!

[AussieBuck]

I had a thought that maybe Embiid missing the games qualification would benefit him and the Sixers by having him concentrate on being ready for not April but May and June but it seems more likely that even if he can't win awards hell still chase pointless stat streaks, PER numbers, PPG or whatever. Reminds me of peak Harden going nuts around 19/20. Birds of a feather.

[Hussien Fatal]

Embiids situation kinda reminds me of Kyrie from his Brooklyn days when he was only playing at home or whatever.

Stats were insane because he had that much more rest than everyone else.

Lol Kyrie never came to close to this type of dominance we are seeing from Embiid. Embiid in 9 road games this season has averaged 36ppg 11rpg 6.5apg. So he actually plays better on the road.

Embiid (even with him being injured recently) is the best player in the world currently averaging 35 12 and 6 with the highest PER in nba history at 34.3 if he cooks Jokic again this season he will have gotten the best of Jokic, Sengun, Gobert and KAT who are 4 of the top 10 big men in this league.

[Hussien Fatal]

Holy smokes, Embiid truly is the GOAT front runner. It explains why when things get difficult, he shrinks. 71 points on the season when up 25+…dude is getting injured playing garbage minutes while stat padding.

Wrong embiid’s 1st ankle roll happened in the 1st quarter vs the bulls. His 2nd injury happen in the 1st half vs the knicks. Oh and he didn’t play in 9 4th quarters this season.

[Mavrelous]

Yeh Tatum never suffered adversity.

2017-18 (his rookie season) Go over win total and go further in playoffs than pre season predictions

- Gordon Hayward injured first game of the year.
- Kyrie injured a month prior to the playoff.
- Rookie Tatum beats Giannis' Bucks, Embiid Sixers, take Lebron Cavs to game 7
- Highest playoff mins for Celtics were Tatum, Brown (missed a game v Sixers), Horford, Rozier, Smart, Aaron Baynes, Marcus Morris, Semi Ojeleye, Shane Larkin, Abdul Nader.

2018 - 19

- Hayward comes back a shell of himself
- Kyrie turns into a weirdo in the playoffs vs the Bucks and shoots 25/83 for 30% FG the last 4 games. Lose to Bucks in 5.

2019 - 20 - Bubble Season Go further in playoffs than pre season predictions

- Lose Kyrie, lose Horford
- Hayward injured game 1, round 1 vs Philly (Boston still sweeps LOL)
- Daniel Theis, Brad Wanamaker, Semi Ojeleye playing major mins
- Lose in game 7 of Conference finals vs Heat. Tatum only 22 years old, Brown 23.

2020 - 21 -

- Brown injured before the playoffs and doesn't play. Matchup with Nets trio of KD, Harden, Kyrie in round 1.
- Tristan Thompson, Evan Fournier and the corpse of Kemba Walker are his other starters.
- Tatum avoids a sweep. Drops 50 in game 3, 40 in game 4.

2021 - 22 Go over win total and go further in playoffs than pre season predictions

- Stevens steps down, Ime takes over
- Start the season 22w - 22l - Calls for Tatum and Brown to be traded,
- Down 3-2 to Bucks, Tatum drops 46 in Milwaukee.
- Rob Williams, Al Horford, Derrick White, Marcus Smart ALL miss time in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
- Tatum injures wrist in finals

2022 - 23 First season they're favoured to win it all

- Ime scandal to start the season. Joe takes over.
- Rob injured again
- Sixers up 3-2. Sixers have the lead at home and then Tatum ices them. Then drops a game 7 record 51 on ya boys head.
- Down 0 - 3. Brings it back to game 7 and then gets injured on the very first play of the game.

But sure, he's never dealt with adversity because we don't cry about it like Embiid/Sixer fans. One guy gets the job done, the other doesn't.

All Embiids above average playoff performances have come against froncourts like Daniel Gafford / Davis Bertans, Khem Birch / Chris Boucher and Nic Claxton / DFS.

One guy steps up in the biggest moments, the other goes and hides in a hole.

Thanks for this post, watching from afar, I always thought he's a great player on stacked teams, but you highlighted his accomplishment really well, that bubble PO run is massive...

[eyeatoma]

Maybe sit the playoff talk out champ.

If there is one fan base who shouldn’t talk smack about playoff performances it’s Sixer fans.

It’s funny how you deem Tatum/Brown failures for not winning a championship by age 26, yet your 2x MVP hasn’t even reached a 2nd round by age 29.

Oh and btw. KP has played more games than Embiid this year. If anyone could break down at any stage, it’s definitely Embiid.

Say everything you want, but you don't actually have a response to what I said. The truth is, no, the Celtics have not dealt with an ounce of the **** the Sixers have dealt with.

Porzingis is a walking injury, worse than Embiid, nobody buys him being healthy, might be able to say the same about Embiid, one is performing like a top 30 player when he plays, the other plays like the best player in the world.

Oh yes, Brown and Tatum are so young. Funny, that doesnt' seem to be what i hear every time there is a Celtics collapse on your board. More like Tatum is a fraud and people can't believe that Brown got that contract.

AussieCeltic summed it up perfectly.

You’re either trolling or are just completely clueless if you think everything’s been smooth sailing for Tatum and co.

Boston has dealt with plenty of adversity since Tatum came aboard.

Difference is they’ve weathered the storm and made the finals and multiple ECFs in the era the Sixers have been meant to dominate.

You can try trolling all Tatum and Brown you want but rarely if ever do star players win chips by the time they’re 25.

Plenty of them for them to win. Meanwhile Joel Embiid is about to turn 30. Clocks ticking…..

He's going to be 30, and?

Most players play well into their mid to late 30s, and are atleast 90% of their prime.

[AussieBuck]

Embiids situation kinda reminds me of Kyrie from his Brooklyn days when he was only playing at home or whatever.

Stats were insane because he had that much more rest than everyone else.

Lol Kyrie never came to close to this type of dominance we are seeing from Embiid. Embiid in 9 road games this season has averaged 36ppg 11rpg 6.5apg. So he actually plays better on the road.

Embiid (even with him being injured recently) is the best player in the world currently averaging 35 12 and 6 with the highest PER in nba history at 34.3 if he cooks Jokic again this season he will have gotten the best of Jokic, Sengun, Gobert and KAT who are 4 of the top 10 big men in this league.

Not sure your guy having played 9 away games a few days off the halfway mark of the season is the argument you want to go to for MVP. Most Valuable Periodic-traveller?