NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 4: MVP Thread's Revenge)

[Bob8]

you seem on fire to win 6 in a row, then u lost 4 etc

They might win 33 in a row and there won't be any doubt, who MVP is. Although +/- might still be a problem.

maybe, or maybe u fall off the bed and wake up

Maybe, but would you give him MVP award in that case? SGA would still have had better +/-.

[Swish77]

seems like 2# vs #7

right now mavs has to win in Sacramento to be #7

or win vs lakers or gsw

betting u dont pass play-in

I had no idea the Playoffs started today. You seem upset after being blown out on saturday by the mavs.

you seem on fire to win 6 in a row, then u lost 4 etc

Won 5 games in a row and only 5.5 back from you.

[timO]

I had no idea the Playoffs started today. You seem upset after being blown out on saturday by the mavs.

you seem on fire to win 6 in a row, then u lost 4 etc

Won 5 games in a row and only 5.5 back from you.

?

last year u were 2 game back

u were out of play-in

5.5 games is the diference of being top 4 or being play in bye bye playoffs

thats the reality, welcome again

[Optms]

I just don't understand how Luka isn't 2nd in the MVP race blows my mind he's not.

Too much emphasis on team record, that's why. Its literately the only argument used against Luka.

Jokic and Shai have a massive advantage playing with a better supporting cast. They are being heralded for something they had nothing to do with ie team management putting contending worthy pieces around them. Put a toxic player like Kyrie and coach like Kidd in their company and lets see how great their team record looks.

For the record, Luka is my MVP. He's excelling by putting the Mav's in a favorable position yet again despite overcoming more hurdles with the personel around him. He's doing more with less. That's the definition of an MVP to me.

[AussieBuck]

Was wondering how we'd make up for the Embiid super fans in the thread and feared we'd have to manufacture a Nuggets/Bucks fight or something but nature and it seems this thread hates a vacuum of bad will and has naturally adjusted.

[HotRocks34]

Voters are on track and it's looking like a similar race to the 2012 award.

Bron won his third that season -- same as Jokic is going for now -- after many felt he was robbed the year prior.

Miami finished with the fourth best record in the league then and Denver is currently on track for the sixth best.

Jokic (Ring, FMVP) has more postseason success under his belt now than Bron (0-2 Finals) did when he won the award in 2012. Bron was also able to overcome the 2011 Finals flameout to capture the award.

Denver is injured and that could play a factor. Otherwise it looks like Jokic's trophy to lose.

Additionally, when Rose beat Bron for the honor in 2011, the Bulls had the best record in the league. I'm not sure that's a realistic goal for OKC but you never know. It also doesn't seem likely that Tatum (best player, best team) will win this year's award.

[AleksandarN]

Voters are on track and it's looking like a similar race to the 2012 award.

Bron won his third that season -- same as Jokic is going for now -- after many felt he was robbed the year prior.

Miami finished with the fourth best record in the league then and Denver is currently on track for the sixth best.

Jokic (Ring, FMVP) has more postseason success under his belt now than Bron (0-2 Finals) did when he won the award in 2012. Bron was also able to overcome the 2011 Finals flameout to capture the award.

Denver is injured and that could play a factor. Otherwise it looks like Jokic's trophy to lose.

Additionally, when Rose beat Bron for the honor in 2011, the Bulls had the best record in the league. I'm not sure that's a realistic goal for OKC but you never know. It also doesn't seem likely that Tatum (best player, best team) will win this year's award.

Denver’s remaining schedule is the easiest in the league. I don’t see them ending up in sixth. At worst I see 2nd maybe 3rd in the west that’s with injuries. I see them having the best record in the west. They only have one back to back left which is at home. Have more home games than road.

Read on Twitter

[Wolfgang630]

Is Murray gonna be ok? Denver needs him to win more games for Jokic. The west is fking brutal. Teams are so good with talent.

[mkot]

Is Murray gonna be ok? Denver needs him to win more games for Jokic. The west is fking brutal. Teams are so good with talent.

If he is injured he should sit. Same as KCP. It was dumb playing them as it was evidence from the start they didn't look right, especially KCP. Not sure how or who cleared him to play.

Their lack of depth really shows last night.

After their top 8 rotation guys none of them are NBA players.

[AleksandarN]

Is Murray gonna be ok? Denver needs him to win more games for Jokic. The west is fking brutal. Teams are so good with talent.

If he is injured he should sit. Same as KCP. It was dumb playing them as it was evidence from the start they didn't look right, especially KCP. Not sure how or who cleared him to play.

Their lack of depth really shows last night.

After their top 8 rotation guys none of them are NBA players.

Well going against one of the top teams in league and having your starting backcourt injuries that would certainly expose your depth especially it is two guards out. Now if it was a forward and guard that would be easier to manage.

[brettski]

Yesterday we had Giannis vs Jokic and it barely got 2 posts during the actual game (most of the posts were about Luka!). This thread is a very different place without the Embiid super stans.

[Wolfgang630]

Yesterday we had Giannis vs Jokic and it barely got 2 posts during the actual game (most of the posts were about Luka!). This thread is a very different place without the Embiid super stans.

Giannis vs Jokic is boring…

[dygaction]

Since 2009, best WS/48 for MVP has been working for all years, except Rose, RB, and Embiid last year. Jokic and SGA are tied for now.

[dygaction]

I just don't understand how Luka isn't 2nd in the MVP race blows my mind he's not.

Too much emphasis on team record, that's why. Its literately the only argument used against Luka.

Jokic and Shai have a massive advantage playing with a better supporting cast. They are being heralded for something they had nothing to do with ie team management putting contending worthy pieces around them. Put a toxic player like Kyrie and coach like Kidd in their company and lets see how great their team record looks.

For the record, Luka is my MVP. He's excelling by putting the Mav's in a favorable position yet again despite overcoming more hurdles with the personel around him. He's doing more with less. That's the definition of an MVP to me.

I have yet to see anything negative or toxic from Kyrie. No problem on/off the court. He has been trying best to defend and get everyone involved.

[SlovenianDragon]

SGA MVP SGA MVP SGA MVP SGA MVP SGA MVP SGA MVP

[Optms]

I just don't understand how Luka isn't 2nd in the MVP race blows my mind he's not.

Too much emphasis on team record, that's why. Its literately the only argument used against Luka.

Jokic and Shai have a massive advantage playing with a better supporting cast. They are being heralded for something they had nothing to do with ie team management putting contending worthy pieces around them. Put a toxic player like Kyrie and coach like Kidd in their company and lets see how great their team record looks.

For the record, Luka is my MVP. He's excelling by putting the Mav's in a favorable position yet again despite overcoming more hurdles with the personel around him. He's doing more with less. That's the definition of an MVP to me.

I have yet to see anything negative or toxic from Kyrie. No problem on/off the court. He has been trying best to defend and get everyone involved.

And who exactly gets the credit for that? Kyrie yes, but the track record tells me someone else is keeping him antics free. Could be Luka. Who knows. The facts remain. Aside from this season, he's been toxic and or a distraction in every situation he's been in. It may not last either. He's already got his money. So kudos to Luka for embracing him and keeping him focused. For the time being.

[QPR]

The supporting cast argument is entirely retrospective. If Dallas was a top seed and OKC closer to the play-in, the argument would be that Kyrie, THJ, Green etc is a talented supporting cast, and that OKC is too young.

Teams with elite records will always have multiple contributors.

[Kurtz]

I just don't understand how Luka isn't 2nd in the MVP race blows my mind he's not.

That's an easy one - team record. If Dallas is able to claw their way to a top 3 seed by the end of the season, he'll be right there.

[Young gun 6]

I just don't understand how Luka isn't 2nd in the MVP race blows my mind he's not.

Too much emphasis on team record, that's why. Its literately the only argument used against Luka.

Jokic and Shai have a massive advantage playing with a better supporting cast. They are being heralded for something they had nothing to do with ie team management putting contending worthy pieces around them. Put a toxic player like Kyrie and coach like Kidd in their company and lets see how great their team record looks.

For the record, Luka is my MVP. He's excelling by putting the Mav's in a favorable position yet again despite overcoming more hurdles with the personel around him. He's doing more with less. That's the definition of an MVP to me.

Lol "massive advantage" of supporting cast with Jokic over Luka

[Bob8]

I just don't understand how Luka isn't 2nd in the MVP race blows my mind he's not.

Too much emphasis on team record, that's why. Its literately the only argument used against Luka.

Jokic and Shai have a massive advantage playing with a better supporting cast. They are being heralded for something they had nothing to do with ie team management putting contending worthy pieces around them. Put a toxic player like Kyrie and coach like Kidd in their company and lets see how great their team record looks.

For the record, Luka is my MVP. He's excelling by putting the Mav's in a favorable position yet again despite overcoming more hurdles with the personel around him. He's doing more with less. That's the definition of an MVP to me.

Lol "massive advantage" of supporting cast with Jokic over Luka

You might look at injuries too. 30 different starting lineups should tell you everything about how Mavs were hit by injuries.

Mavs 30 starting lineups,
Denver 9
Thunder 6
Bucks 12.

Extreme difference between Luka and other candidates.