NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 5: So who's winning MVP? )

[Johnny Firpo]

Luka should win mvp next season. As long as they play just as good from the jump, they’ll have a top 3 seed and he will win mvp.

Well, imagine Mavs finish 2nd with 30-9-9 stats from Luka and Denver finish first with the same historical statistical season Joker had last season: you think Luka will still win it especially with all those people loving Joker and also being absolutely fans of advanced stats?

The problem is that people don't quite understand the individual season Luka's had is absolutely historical and he's not likely to have any other one as good (let alone better) for the remaining of his career.

And i'm talking about Joker but it's not like other guys like Embiid, Giannis or even Wemby (who I strongly see being a MVP candidate already next year) aren't there as well to stop him winning it.

This is kind of speculation, but in my opinion, the closer someone gets to 4-5-6, so LeBron, Kareem, MJ territory, the more they will have to do to win. If Joker wins the triple this year (MVP, championship and finals MVP), I still think they will try to give it to someone else. If he doesn't win a championship this year, he will not win another MVP until he wins again. That's how I see it anyway.

[hagredionis]

There is one thing that isn't really talked about and that's that apart from probably being the most doubled player in the league Luka is also almost always guarded by the opposing team's best defender. I don't think that's the case for Jokic simply because there aren't that many really good centers in the league. Like for example when the Mavs play against the Celtics Luka is probably guarded by Brown whois an elite defender or Tatum right? But when the Nuggets play against the Celtics who is guarding Jokic? The voters need to not overlook these things.

[Yuri36]

You are speaking like Doncic is as old as Curry, Durant and James or as injury prone as Davis, Embiid, Leonard. He's 25 and more durable than his peers(Morant, Williamson, Booker). There is no rush to give him an award he didn't earn just because there are candidates winning.

Well, for his age, he's had already many injuries (though minor for most of them but still) and let's be honest, when you look at him at 25 and compare him with guys like KD, LeBron or Kawhi, you would rather think he is the one near his 40s and not the other.
When you look at how unfit he looks even at the end of RS, don't be surprised if he gets a serious injury in the next few months/years, especially considering the position he plays in which is the most demanding position for articulations, ankles and foot

I don't understand what's your point? They should give him MVP before he gets injured or what?

Well, I wouldn't say it quite like this but let's say that it should just make think a little bit more the guys coming with the usual "don't worry, he will eventually win it the next few seasons"
Sport doesn't work like that and we have another example with Mbappé and the BO in soccer: people were saying after his fantastic WC in 2018 that it was too early for him to get the BO, that he would win it in the next few years, etc.....and 6 years later, still no BO for him.

[eminence]

1. Jokic
2. Tatum
3. SGA
4. Luka
5. Giannis

[Yuri36]

1. Jokic
2. Tatum
3. SGA
4. Luka
5. Giannis

Luka lucky to make the top 5 with the season he's had and the record Mavs have considering they should have at least 55 wins already with the roster they have despite all the injuries they've suffered from.

[Statlanta]

There is one thing that isn't really talked about and that's that apart from probably being the most doubled player in the league Luka is also almost always guarded by the opposing team's best defender. I don't think that's the case for Jokic simply because there aren't that many really good centers in the league. Like for example when the Mavs play against the Celtics Luka is probably guarded by Brown whois an elite defender or Tatum right? But when the Nuggets play against the Celtics who is guarding Jokic? The voters need to not overlook these things.

Perimeter defense < Interior Defense, even as the modern era is tipping the scales.
It's not talked about because Jokic plays a position that is schematically and historically the most defensive position on the court. Also the likely DPOY plays in his division.

[Alatan]

There is one thing that isn't really talked about and that's that apart from probably being the most doubled player in the league Luka is also almost always guarded by the opposing team's best defender. I don't think that's the case for Jokic simply because there aren't that many really good centers in the league. Like for example when the Mavs play against the Celtics Luka is probably guarded by Brown whois an elite defender or Tatum right? But when the Nuggets play against the Celtics who is guarding Jokic? The voters need to not overlook these things.

Apart from AD, Embiid, Gobert, Wemby, Adebayo, Horford, Mobley, Alen, Mitchell, Turner, Nurkic, Jackson Jr. there really arent any good C defenders that Jokic cooked... They will need to clone back Duncan, Admiral and Hakeem to try to prove Jokic is not that good really...

[hagredionis]

There is one thing that isn't really talked about and that's that apart from probably being the most doubled player in the league Luka is also almost always guarded by the opposing team's best defender. I don't think that's the case for Jokic simply because there aren't that many really good centers in the league. Like for example when the Mavs play against the Celtics Luka is probably guarded by Brown whois an elite defender or Tatum right? But when the Nuggets play against the Celtics who is guarding Jokic? The voters need to not overlook these things.

Apart from AD, Embiid, Gobert, Wemby, Adebayo, Horford, Mobley, Alen, Mitchell, Turner, Nurkic, Jackson Jr. there really arent any good C defenders that Jokic cooked... They will need to clone back Duncan, Admiral and Hakeem to try to prove Jokic is not that good really...

I did not write "there aren't any good C defenders", I did not write that "Jokic is not that good really", he is a great player. But you seem to think that almost every center in the league is a great defender. Something.

[Alatan]

There is one thing that isn't really talked about and that's that apart from probably being the most doubled player in the league Luka is also almost always guarded by the opposing team's best defender. I don't think that's the case for Jokic simply because there aren't that many really good centers in the league. Like for example when the Mavs play against the Celtics Luka is probably guarded by Brown whois an elite defender or Tatum right? But when the Nuggets play against the Celtics who is guarding Jokic? The voters need to not overlook these things.

Apart from AD, Embiid, Gobert, Wemby, Adebayo, Horford, Mobley, Alen, Mitchell, Turner, Nurkic, Jackson Jr. there really arent any good C defenders that Jokic cooked... They will need to clone back Duncan, Admiral and Hakeem to try to prove Jokic is not that good really...

I did not write "there aren't any good C defenders", I did not write that "Jokic is not that good really", he is a great player. But you seem to think that almost every center in the league is a great defender. Something.

Who among those i mentioned is not a good defender?

[AleksandarN]

Kyrie for MVP.

[deneem4]

Kyrie for MVP.

Pj Washington for mvp

[BmanInBigD]

1. Jokic
2. Tatum
3. SGA
4. Luka
5. Giannis

Good gawd man, anybody that has Tatum top 3 THIS year either is a severe homer, knows nothing about basketball, or spells Doncic t-a-t-u-m.

[Yuri36]

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[Woodsanity]

There is one thing that isn't really talked about and that's that apart from probably being the most doubled player in the league Luka is also almost always guarded by the opposing team's best defender. I don't think that's the case for Jokic simply because there aren't that many really good centers in the league. Like for example when the Mavs play against the Celtics Luka is probably guarded by Brown whois an elite defender or Tatum right? But when the Nuggets play against the Celtics who is guarding Jokic? The voters need to not overlook these things.

Guys like wemby, anthony davis, embiid, gobert are way tougher defenders to deal with than brown or tatum. Funny take.

[QPR]

Luka is definitely the MVP of the last 14 games, no doubt. Lol at the media's obsession with trying to create a talking point though, as Jokic's sustained brilliance does get boring after a while.

[Yuri36]

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Luka is definitely the MVP of the last 14 games, no doubt. Lol at the media's obsession with trying to create a talking point though, as Jokic's sustained brilliance does get boring after a while.

Luka has been the MVP for most of the season in reality, the only but major thing that has changed for the last few months is that he has finally around him a team of similar quality of the ones his MVP rivals have, Joker included.

The guy has been averaging almost 34pts-9rbds-10ass-1.5stl and at 49% at fg (which is a damn impressive pct for a point guard as much double teamed as him) and 38% at 3pts FOR THE WHOLE FRIGGING SEASON.....i'm not sure you're truly understanding how absurds those numbers are, including in that offensive oriented era.

And that is without even mentionning that historical 73 pts game (in only 33 shots) he had this same season.

[Petergrifindor]

Luka is definitely the MVP of the last 14 games, no doubt. Lol at the media's obsession with trying to create a talking point though, as Jokic's sustained brilliance does get boring after a while.

Luka has been better almost all year.

But since Dallas were mediocre, he was ignored until the trades.

He is not playing better now than before. His team is.

[Yuri36]

Luka is definitely the MVP of the last 14 games, no doubt. Lol at the media's obsession with trying to create a talking point though, as Jokic's sustained brilliance does get boring after a while.

Luka has been better almost all year.

But since Dallas were mediocre, he was ignored until the trades.

He is not playing better now than before. His team is.

Thanks.
And their mediocrity until the trades was also mostly due to many important injuries including Kyrie missing 25+ games until those trades

[QPR]

Luka is definitely the MVP of the last 14 games, no doubt. Lol at the media's obsession with trying to create a talking point though, as Jokic's sustained brilliance does get boring after a while.

Luka has been better almost all year.

But since Dallas were mediocre, he was ignored until the trades.

He is not playing better now than before. His team is.

By what measure has Doncic been "better" than Jokic though?

[hagredionis]

Luka is definitely the MVP of the last 14 games, no doubt. Lol at the media's obsession with trying to create a talking point though, as Jokic's sustained brilliance does get boring after a while.

Luka has been better almost all year.

But since Dallas were mediocre, he was ignored until the trades.

He is not playing better now than before. His team is.

By what measure has Doncic been "better" than Jokic though?

ppg (33.9 vs 26.4), assists per game, more potential assists, more 30+ points triple doubles, games, EPM etc etc etc