Is Jamal Murray washed?

[bledredwine]

It cracks me up when posters bump a thread after just one game.

Bump the thread after he does it consistently.

A poster bumped the thread just hours before his 45 point game last night criticizing Murray and saying Westbrook is better. So your post is not only wrong, it couldn’t possibly be more wrong.

Pardon? How is my post wrong?
I'm a Nuggets and Murray fan- no clue what you're referring to.

Murray has a PER of 15.4 .... not even close to 2nd option worthy.

His peak season, he had a PER of 18.3 and in the playoffs, 23.7, 8.3 higher than what he's currently doing.

No, I'm not wrong. This bump is premature, as most bumps are.

[LeBronSpaghetti]

It cracks me up when posters bump a thread after just one game.

Bump the thread after he does it consistently.

A poster bumped the thread just hours before his 45 point game last night criticizing Murray and saying Westbrook is better. So your post is not only wrong, it couldn’t possibly be more wrong.

Pardon? How is my post wrong?
I'm a Nuggets and Murray fan- no clue what you're referring to.

Murray has a PER of 15.4 .... not even close to 2nd option worthy.

His peak season, he had a PER of 18.3 and in the playoffs, 23.7, 8.3 higher than what he's currently doing.

No, I'm not wrong. This bump is premature, as most bumps are.

You said:

“It cracks me up when posters bump a thread after just one game. Bump the thread after he does it consistently.”

This thread was bumped BEFORE the 45 point game last night not in response to it. It was bumped to criticize Murray not to claim that he’s “back”.

[HMFFL]

Shaq's interview with Jamal last night sums it up and Jamal Murray performed and agreed with Shaq after the game.

Denvers success depends on Jamal.



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[mkot]

Denvers success depends on Jamal.

Jokic is the MVP of the team, he is the constant, but Murray is the variable. He is the ultimate ceiling raiser when he is healthy and focus.

[XTC]

He was injured ever since summer, he looked horrible when he was team Canada. He looked like the slowest player on the court. Ever since he got healthy, he has been averaging 22/4/6/2 on 47/43/91 shooting splits, and most of all he got his burst and wiggle back.

[shangrila]

I don't think it was necessarily his play that got him criticised. It was bad, obviously, but people go through slumps and from memory Jamal has both a history of being streaky and the recent injury issues to fall back on.

The issue was his attitude, which was childishly petulant at best. Way too many clips of him blowing off his teammates, not looking like he gives a damn, etc. Going back to the Wolves series actually (I still don't know how he didn't get suspended for throwing something onto the court during live play).

At this point it's clear he's a mental frontrunner; when he's playing well he's fine, when he isn't playing well he's a brat.

[mkot]

At this point it's clear he's a mental frontrunner; when he's playing well he's fine, when he isn't playing well he's a brat.

Jamal Murray is one of the toughest SOB on that team. Being a playoff raiser is also being tough-minded. Being a tough shotmaker, which is one of his skill, is also being tough-minded. You can't be clutch if you are a frontrunner. Jokic constantly praise his mindset above anything he did on the court.

[HotRocks34]

If focused, motivated, healthy-enough Murray shows up like he did during and after the game last night, anything is possible for Denver.

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[nomansland]

He's not going to get 27 every night but there's no reason to think he can't average 20-21 points a game.

OK...but Braun isn't shooting 7-12, Watson 6-10, you might say it's bad Porter was 0-4 from 3 but he still be 11-21 with 24 pounds (and a monster first half) isn't going to keep happening. Even Westbrook shot over 40%!

Meanwhile Murray shooting 5-10 from 3 is great, but we all know he's inconsistent from distance.

Overall they were 33% from 3. They're going to be better than that most nights, it's just that different people will step up.

I dunno, Murray had a couple of bad games but I'm not entirely buying the narrative that he's toast or that "this is who he is." It's a long season.

Don't want to jinx things, but the rumors of Jamal Murray's demise may have been greatly exaggerated.

[mkot]

47/45/91 shooting splits since December 1st.

Just stay healthy and reduce his minute

36min/game is too many, last time he average 36min he torn his ACL

[tsherkin]

47/45/91 shooting splits since December 1st.

Just stay healthy and reduce his minute

36min/game is too many, last time he average 36min he torn his ACL

His seasonal averages are pretty close to the past two seasons, he just blows at the starts of seasons and has notable limitations overall. He's been hitting from 3 the past 2 months (42.4% in December and 45.3% so far in January), which has been the difference. He'll slump again when the 3 quiets down, as that represents over a third of his shooting volume.

[nomansland]

47/45/91 shooting splits since December 1st.

Just stay healthy and reduce his minute

36min/game is too many, last time he average 36min he torn his ACL

His seasonal averages are pretty close to the past two seasons, he just blows at the starts of seasons and has notable limitations overall. He's been hitting from 3 the past 2 months (42.4% in December and 45.3% so far in January), which has been the difference. He'll slump again when the 3 quiets down, as that represents over a third of his shooting volume.

Yeah if you check his season splits by month, he pretty much starts off badly every.single.year and then slowly ramps things up until February, where his production levels off for the remainder of the year.

Really, nobody should be surprised by his trajectory this year. It's just that every year people have higher expectations to start the season.

[tsherkin]

47/45/91 shooting splits since December 1st.

Just stay healthy and reduce his minute

36min/game is too many, last time he average 36min he torn his ACL

His seasonal averages are pretty close to the past two seasons, he just blows at the starts of seasons and has notable limitations overall. He's been hitting from 3 the past 2 months (42.4% in December and 45.3% so far in January), which has been the difference. He'll slump again when the 3 quiets down, as that represents over a third of his shooting volume.

Yeah if you check his season splits by month, he pretty much starts off badly every.single.year and then slowly ramps things up until February, where his production levels off for the remainder of the year.

Really, nobody should be surprised by his trajectory this year. It's just that every year people have higher expectations to start the season.

I think it's just that (some) people want there to be enough around Jokic, and when Murray struggles, the team ends up in worse shape. And then some people want to bang on Jokic for not winning when he has "enough," which Murray is supposed to represent, despite his myriad flaws. If he's healthy and his shot is falling at the right time, though, maybe they can recapture 2023. We'll have to see. Such is life with shooters.

[guynumber45]

If I'm the Nuggets, I'm hoping Murray keeps this up for the rest of the season so he can be traded in the offseason for a guy like Lavine

[bdp31770]

His better play seems to also coincide with Westbrook starting out the point and therefore Murray playing more two, is there something to that or it just a coincidence?

[Peregrine01]

If I'm the Nuggets, I'm hoping Murray keeps this up for the rest of the season so he can be traded in the offseason for a guy like Lavine

I'm not taking any chances either. By now, they should've seen enough from Murray to know that he's a deeply streaky player who relies way too much on tough shot-making and doesn't have much else. Westbrook's renewal shows that damn near any player ups his game several levels when he plays next to Jokic.

[tsherkin]

His better play seems to also coincide with Westbrook starting out the point and therefore Murray playing more two, is there something to that or it just a coincidence?

No significant change in his proportion of assisted baskets, basically identical volume and percentage of catch-and-shoot threes as last year...

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I think we know, at this stage, what Jamal is.
At his best he is a borderline all star level player. Great tough shot maker, very good shooter, severe tunnel vision, good size for a PG, good but not elite quickness, can suffer if pressured full court.
We also know that he's never in good shape to start the season and this can expose him (and his teammates) to recurring injuries.

Still, that flawed player, at his best, is enough to make the Nuggets inner circle contenders thanks to Nikola Jokic.
Can't imagine what Nikola would do with an actual All NBA talent next to him.
Even winning another title in this setup would be worth more than 4 jumping around for greener pastures, in my book.

[Ssj16]

His better play seems to also coincide with Westbrook starting out the point and therefore Murray playing more two, is there something to that or it just a coincidence?

This is something I've been wondering too, do you keep WB in the starting lineup so he can play PG and Murray play SG which is a better role for him.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

His better play seems to also coincide with Westbrook starting out the point and therefore Murray playing more two, is there something to that or it just a coincidence?

This is something I've been wondering too, do you keep WB in the starting lineup so he can play PG and Murray play SG which is a better role for him.

It's not just about playing SG, it's that you have another ball handler to push the pace and bribg the ball up under pretture.