Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2)

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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#301 » by LarsV8 » Sun Oct 5, 2025 11:03 pm

JustLucky wrote:no post about this in two days thats crazy. fatigue is a thing billionaires win again. bump to remind you all about the cheating that is not being punished


Meh, not really.

It's being investigated and investigations take time.

Lowe mentioned NBA engaged a heavy duty law firm to investigate, so we probably won't hear anything for a number of months.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#302 » by JustLucky » Mon Oct 6, 2025 12:00 am

LarsV8 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:no post about this in two days thats crazy. fatigue is a thing billionaires win again. bump to remind you all about the cheating that is not being punished


Meh, not really.

It's being investigated and investigations take time.

Lowe mentioned NBA engaged a heavy duty law firm to investigate, so we probably won't hear anything for a number of months.


its a time sensitive issue and if theres enough evidence (there is) kawhis contract should be voided before the season starts at the very least. because they can't be punished as much after his contract ends
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Post#303 » by JustLucky » Mon Oct 6, 2025 12:02 am

anotherhomer wrote:
JustLucky wrote:no post about this in two days thats crazy. fatigue is a thing billionaires win again. bump to remind you all about the cheating that is not being punished


i think NBA will probably find a way to address this.
1) The blame will goes to Uncle Dennis. Kawhi claims ignorance, saying he simply signed what they told him to
Uncle Dennis gets banned from NBA. In a way, NBA tries to shift blame to NBPA for allowing rogue non-agents interfering
2) Ballmer gets fined several million dollars
Clippers gets docked 2027 FRP (OKC has swap rights), which goes to LA Lakers who are the "victim", not Raps lol
3) Kawhi gets suspended 20 games
4) NBA Owners get quiet....owners that are not happy get silenced.
See the embarassing story about Vivek's daugther coming out.


both the lakers and raptors deserve picks and i wont only be just once so you can send to both.... Theres an interview where george says him and kawhi were expecting to go to the raptors
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#304 » by jscott » Mon Oct 6, 2025 12:13 am

JustLucky wrote:
anotherhomer wrote:
JustLucky wrote:no post about this in two days thats crazy. fatigue is a thing billionaires win again. bump to remind you all about the cheating that is not being punished


i think NBA will probably find a way to address this.
1) The blame will goes to Uncle Dennis. Kawhi claims ignorance, saying he simply signed what they told him to
Uncle Dennis gets banned from NBA. In a way, NBA tries to shift blame to NBPA for allowing rogue non-agents interfering
2) Ballmer gets fined several million dollars
Clippers gets docked 2027 FRP (OKC has swap rights), which goes to LA Lakers who are the "victim", not Raps lol
3) Kawhi gets suspended 20 games
4) NBA Owners get quiet....owners that are not happy get silenced.
See the embarassing story about Vivek's daugther coming out.


both the lakers and raptors deserve picks and i wont only be just once so you can send to both.... Theres an interview where george says him and kawhi were expecting to go to the raptors

Neither team is getting picks. The Clippers will just forfeit theirs.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#305 » by wco81 » Mon Oct 6, 2025 12:24 am

JustLucky wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:no post about this in two days thats crazy. fatigue is a thing billionaires win again. bump to remind you all about the cheating that is not being punished


Meh, not really.

It's being investigated and investigations take time.

Lowe mentioned NBA engaged a heavy duty law firm to investigate, so we probably won't hear anything for a number of months.


its a time sensitive issue and if theres enough evidence (there is) kawhis contract should be voided before the season starts at the very least. because they can't be punished as much after his contract ends


Seems unlikely that the law firm will find something bigger than what's already been revealed publicly.
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Post#306 » by LarsV8 » Mon Oct 6, 2025 2:07 am

JustLucky wrote:its a time sensitive issue and if theres enough evidence (there is) kawhis contract should be voided before the season starts at the very least. because they can't be punished as much after his contract ends


Its not really time sensitive.

If you are hoping to see Kawhi's contract voided, I think you will be disappointed.

IMO three likely outcomes.
1.) No finding. Balmer was truly oblivious and this was arranged by someone other than the Clippers, maybe some kind of fine or suspension for KL.
2.) Obvious tampering, but really no direct evidence to show it, penalized losing a couple 2nd round picks or similar.
3.) Obvious tampering, with evidence - Large fine, 500k to 1m, multiple firsts lost, and possible rule changes to combat this type of thing.

I also wouldn't rule out some sort of silent punishment, where Silver and Balmer work something out, make some transaction, as amends for this action.

But again, the NBA, to protect itself from lawsuits must do its due diligence, via the investigation, to avoid being sued by the Clippers, etc.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#307 » by inonba » Mon Oct 6, 2025 4:27 am

JustLucky wrote:
anotherhomer wrote:
JustLucky wrote:no post about this in two days thats crazy. fatigue is a thing billionaires win again. bump to remind you all about the cheating that is not being punished


i think NBA will probably find a way to address this.
1) The blame will goes to Uncle Dennis. Kawhi claims ignorance, saying he simply signed what they told him to
Uncle Dennis gets banned from NBA. In a way, NBA tries to shift blame to NBPA for allowing rogue non-agents interfering
2) Ballmer gets fined several million dollars
Clippers gets docked 2027 FRP (OKC has swap rights), which goes to LA Lakers who are the "victim", not Raps lol
3) Kawhi gets suspended 20 games
4) NBA Owners get quiet....owners that are not happy get silenced.
See the embarassing story about Vivek's daugther coming out.


both the lakers and raptors deserve picks and i wont only be just once so you can send to both.... Theres an interview where george says him and kawhi were expecting to go to the raptors


LA Lakers were the "victims". :lol:

Well known fact, the Lakers are entitled to every free agent to hit the market. When they don't get their man, they're the victims and need to be compensated.
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Post#308 » by JustLucky » Mon Oct 6, 2025 7:08 am

wco81 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
Meh, not really.

It's being investigated and investigations take time.

Lowe mentioned NBA engaged a heavy duty law firm to investigate, so we probably won't hear anything for a number of months.


its a time sensitive issue and if theres enough evidence (there is) kawhis contract should be voided before the season starts at the very least. because they can't be punished as much after his contract ends


Seems unlikely that the law firm will find something bigger than what's already been revealed publicly.


good point so lay the punishment before the season starts! torre found more then enough to evict in a court of law
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Post#309 » by Bobbymcgee » Mon Oct 6, 2025 7:18 am

Clippers have been punished enough.

Still stuck with Leonard for two more years and $100 million.

Were stuck with George for five seasons because of Leonard.

Traded away a future NBA MVP who went on to win a title because of Leonard.

Traded away too many draft picks to count because of Leonard.

Can't we all just get along?
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Post#310 » by inonba » Mon Oct 6, 2025 8:00 am

Bobbymcgee wrote:Clippers have been punished enough.

Still stuck with Leonard for two more years and $100 million.

Were stuck with George for five seasons because of Leonard.

Traded away a future NBA MVP who went on to win a title because of Leonard.

Traded away too many draft picks to count because of Leonard.

Can't we all just get along?


It sucks to "cheat" and "lose", but until the day losing is considered punishment, no. The Clippers haven't been punish yet, never mind enough.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#311 » by rand » Mon Oct 6, 2025 9:24 am

Bobbymcgee wrote:Clippers have been punished enough.

Still stuck with Leonard for two more years and $100 million.

Were stuck with George for five seasons because of Leonard.

Traded away a future NBA MVP who went on to win a title because of Leonard.

Traded away too many draft picks to count because of Leonard.

Can't we all just get along?

Too early to say for sure that crime didn't pay. Healthy Clippers are a title contender this season. Granted it's unlikely they will be healthy come playoff time but their ceiling is very high. It would be very entertaining to see Silver and the league squirm under the publicity this scandal would get in the event of a Clippers Finals run.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#312 » by xinxin » Mon Oct 6, 2025 10:57 am

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Bobbymcgee wrote:Clippers have been punished enough.

Still stuck with Leonard for two more years and $100 million.

Were stuck with George for five seasons because of Leonard.

Traded away a future NBA MVP who went on to win a title because of Leonard.

Traded away too many draft picks to count because of Leonard.

Can't we all just get along?

Too early to say for sure that crime didn't pay. Healthy Clippers are a title contender this season. Granted it's unlikely they will be healthy come playoff time but their ceiling is very high. It would be very entertaining to see Silver and the league squirm under the publicity this scandal would get in the event of a Clippers Finals run.

Which is exactly the reason why they should be punished .. & punished hard.

Otherwise, it’ll be clear that the salary cap rules are a joke… & teams can violate these with impunity.. best to scrap them if that’s the case.

Crime shouldn’t pay.


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Post#313 » by JustLucky » Mon Oct 6, 2025 11:03 am

exactly the clippers are a real contender .RIGHT NOW not last season not next season right now
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#314 » by anotherhomer » Mon Oct 6, 2025 2:17 pm

LarsV8 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:its a time sensitive issue and if theres enough evidence (there is) kawhis contract should be voided before the season starts at the very least. because they can't be punished as much after his contract ends


Its not really time sensitive.

If you are hoping to see Kawhi's contract voided, I think you will be disappointed.

IMO three likely outcomes.
1.) No finding. Balmer was truly oblivious and this was arranged by someone other than the Clippers, maybe some kind of fine or suspension for KL.
2.) Obvious tampering, but really no direct evidence to show it, penalized losing a couple 2nd round picks or similar.
3.) Obvious tampering, with evidence - Large fine, 500k to 1m, multiple firsts lost, and possible rule changes to combat this type of thing.

I also wouldn't rule out some sort of silent punishment, where Silver and Balmer work something out, make some transaction, as amends for this action.

But again, the NBA, to protect itself from lawsuits must do its due diligence, via the investigation, to avoid being sued by the Clippers, etc.


Well, I expect it to between #2 and 3. No "direct evidence" but Clippers lose that 2027 FRP for sure, Ballmer pays several million dollars "under the table", Uncle Dennis gets banished.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#315 » by Mephariel » Mon Oct 6, 2025 7:06 pm

JustLucky wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:no post about this in two days thats crazy. fatigue is a thing billionaires win again. bump to remind you all about the cheating that is not being punished


Meh, not really.

It's being investigated and investigations take time.

Lowe mentioned NBA engaged a heavy duty law firm to investigate, so we probably won't hear anything for a number of months.


its a time sensitive issue and if theres enough evidence (there is) kawhis contract should be voided before the season starts at the very least. because they can't be punished as much after his contract ends


The NBA always takes their time to investigate. There was an article about this. And the article said we may not get a resolution until the end of the season.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#316 » by jbk1234 » Mon Oct 6, 2025 8:15 pm

JustLucky wrote:
anotherhomer wrote:
JustLucky wrote:no post about this in two days thats crazy. fatigue is a thing billionaires win again. bump to remind you all about the cheating that is not being punished


i think NBA will probably find a way to address this.
1) The blame will goes to Uncle Dennis. Kawhi claims ignorance, saying he simply signed what they told him to
Uncle Dennis gets banned from NBA. In a way, NBA tries to shift blame to NBPA for allowing rogue non-agents interfering
2) Ballmer gets fined several million dollars
Clippers gets docked 2027 FRP (OKC has swap rights), which goes to LA Lakers who are the "victim", not Raps lol
3) Kawhi gets suspended 20 games
4) NBA Owners get quiet....owners that are not happy get silenced.
See the embarassing story about Vivek's daugther coming out.


both the lakers and raptors deserve picks and i wont only be just once so you can send to both.... Theres an interview where george says him and kawhi were expecting to go to the raptors


No they don't. Neither team reported the ask from Leonard’s camp when it happened.
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Post#317 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Oct 6, 2025 8:20 pm

JustLucky wrote:
wco81 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:
its a time sensitive issue and if theres enough evidence (there is) kawhis contract should be voided before the season starts at the very least. because they can't be punished as much after his contract ends


Seems unlikely that the law firm will find something bigger than what's already been revealed publicly.


good point so lay the punishment before the season starts! torre found more then enough to evict in a court of law


He reported a bunch of stuff on his podcast, is how I would describe it (which of course may all turn out to be true, I'm not questioning Pablo's motives.) Ex-employees and other anonymous sources all need to be interviewed, if their statements are going to be taken into account.

It's going to take time for the NBA's law firm to do their own due diligence and corroborate everything.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#318 » by og15 » Mon Oct 6, 2025 8:28 pm

Mephariel wrote:
JustLucky wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
Meh, not really.

It's being investigated and investigations take time.

Lowe mentioned NBA engaged a heavy duty law firm to investigate, so we probably won't hear anything for a number of months.


its a time sensitive issue and if theres enough evidence (there is) kawhis contract should be voided before the season starts at the very least. because they can't be punished as much after his contract ends


The NBA always takes their time to investigate. There was an article about this. And the article said we may not get a resolution until the end of the season.

Yea, every previous similar thing has been at least like 3 months for resolution, and this one is even more complicated with the multiple angles, so not sure why one would think sudddenly it would take weeks when the precedent is months.


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Bobbymcgee wrote:Clippers have been punished enough.

Still stuck with Leonard for two more years and $100 million.

Were stuck with George for five seasons because of Leonard.

Traded away a future NBA MVP who went on to win a title because of Leonard.

Traded away too many draft picks to count because of Leonard.

Can't we all just get along?

Too early to say for sure that crime didn't pay. Healthy Clippers are a title contender this season. Granted it's unlikely they will be healthy come playoff time but their ceiling is very high. It would be very entertaining to see Silver and the league squirm under the publicity this scandal would get in the event of a Clippers Finals run.
Title contenders, wow, we'll see, solid team, but older and injured and there's an OKC and a Jokic around, so not sure about that one.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#319 » by inonba » Mon Oct 6, 2025 9:31 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:
anotherhomer wrote:
i think NBA will probably find a way to address this.
1) The blame will goes to Uncle Dennis. Kawhi claims ignorance, saying he simply signed what they told him to
Uncle Dennis gets banned from NBA. In a way, NBA tries to shift blame to NBPA for allowing rogue non-agents interfering
2) Ballmer gets fined several million dollars
Clippers gets docked 2027 FRP (OKC has swap rights), which goes to LA Lakers who are the "victim", not Raps lol
3) Kawhi gets suspended 20 games
4) NBA Owners get quiet....owners that are not happy get silenced.
See the embarassing story about Vivek's daugther coming out.


both the lakers and raptors deserve picks and i wont only be just once so you can send to both.... Theres an interview where george says him and kawhi were expecting to go to the raptors


No they don't. Neither team reported the ask from Leonard’s camp when it happened.


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-lakers-raptors-have-complained-about-the-way-clippers-kawhi-leonard-handled-his-decision-report-says/

History disagrees with you.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#320 » by Ballings7 » Mon Oct 6, 2025 10:46 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/282182/NBA-Wont-Consider-Moving-All-Star-Game-Away-From-Clippers

"There's no contemplation of moving the All-Star Game," Silver said, "and planning for the All-Star Game and the surrounding activities are operating completely independently of the ongoing investigation."


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JustLucky wrote:
wco81 wrote:
Seems unlikely that the law firm will find something bigger than what's already been revealed publicly.


good point so lay the punishment before the season starts! torre found more then enough to evict in a court of law


He reported a bunch of stuff on his podcast, is how I would describe it (which of course may all turn out to be true, I'm not questioning Pablo's motives.) Ex-employees and other anonymous sources all need to be interviewed, if their statements are going to be taken into account.

It's going to take time for the NBA's law firm to do their own due diligence and corroborate everything.


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