ECF: | (1) Cleveland Cavaliers vs (2) Toronto Raptors | CLE 2-1

[Vee-Rex]

FT disparity is a poor stay to judge since the Raps entire offense centers around Derozan taking contested mid-range jumpers.

In the regular season, the Raptors were actually 4th-best in the NBA at free throws attempts per game.
In the regular season, the Cavs were actually 7th worst in the NBA at free throw attempts per game.

Suddenly the free throw disparity is overwhelmingly in the 7th worst FTA team's favour over the 4th best.

Cavs are playing much more aggressively in the playoffs.

Even some of your fellow Raps fans admitted that games 1 and 2 Toronto was fouling A LOT from trying to compensate for the aggressive perimeter defense.

Here I am... arguing for no reason. Keep complaining if it makes you feel better, dude.

[First Step]

The NBA really need to think about having four refs instead of 3 out there.

You want another ref out there to dish out more calls in your favor?

[treerollins]

For a team that just won by 15 their fans sure do complain a lot.

if the raptors lost and then cried about it they'd be bitches right? but they've been disrespected from the jump in game 1, and to be fair the cavs were on another level in those first 2. game 3 the raptors came out and worked cleveland start to finish, played defence, hit shots and when it was done then they told it from their perspective.

raptors just out here trying to compete and play the game. if they think the officiating has been uneven they earned the right to say it.

on to game 4.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Hmm the point of calling out the officiating is to set the tone for a long series. One win doesnt ensure the raptors are going to advance, something had to be said. Every fan, cavs or raptors or warriors or whoever, could blatanly see the obvious discrepancy in the officiating. I agree with several posters who said this was SAC-LAL bad. Because it really is. Casey complained at the most appropriate time, so his team not only wins despite the additional variables helping the cavs, but so his team works hard and doesnt make excuses. Even the commentators from ESPN were calling out the inconsistent officiating in favour of the cavs.

There is no obvious discrepancy in the officiating. Here's the truth, Joseph's "really good" defense on Kyrie was really physical. If that game were called differently, he would have picked up at least three more fouls. The Raptors played illegal defense for most of the game. Scola and Biz rarely left the paint to guard their man. Every time Love is switched onto a small player anywhere near the post, that small player basically power blocked him out of the post before the entry pass. That's a foul. They weren't called. Biz pulled down 26 rebounds and wasn't called for a single lose ball foul. Not one. Now if you think that's because he didn't commit any, you're crazy. Biz got plenty of offensive players with the body while rim protecting, wasn't "vertical," and they let that go. He only picked up two fouls all game and one of them he rapped LBJ around the head. If Casey were smart, he'd realize that the only chance his team has in a let-them-play type of series and STFU about the officiating. You're never going to get every call and the officials aren't going to call it tight on one end and loose on the other. The Raptors have no chance in a series that's called tight, they're getting a series that isn't. That's a win of them. Fans are allowed to not understand that, but coaches are suppose to know better.

Easy man, we're all civil fans here even if we come from different teams right? Im not sure about the physicality with irving from joseph's defence, that's acually more of a demarree carroll stype of defence, not joseph. Joseph's defence has always been great staying in front of one's man, fighting through screens and contesting shots without physically hurting a player. If anyone is physical around here, it's irving, throwing an armbar to create space to get his shot off? What was that all about.

exactly. according to cav fans no one's allowed to fart on irving without a foul being called. i seriously have to question the b-ball knowledge of cav fans. you're allowed to touch a player while defending them without it being called a foul. this is what happens when refs coddle you. i hope they like this kind of reffing because they'll be on the receiving end of it when playing against gsw.

[cjx]

Biyombo will make this a 6 game series by himself, consistent offense from Lowry pushes the series to 7, more NBA players need to super-charge themselves with Usain Bolt confidence as Mr. Biyombo has done. Biyombo is the most formidable opponent that Lebron has ever faced in the playoffs.

[Vee-Rex]

The NBA really need to think about having four refs instead of 3 out there.

You want another ref out there to dish out more calls in your favor?

Ahaha

[treerollins]

Idk, man. Between Atlanta twice, Chicago, Boston, Detroit, and Golden State, I have never quite seen this level of complaining about officiating. It's kinda intriguing to me.

realgm forum post counts:

atlanta hawks: 103,992 twice
boston celtics: 865,619
chicago bulls: 2,772,744
detroit pistons: 561,647
golden state warriors: 525,143

toronto raptors: 4,015,458

we got nearly the same realgm post count as all of those teams combined.

btw,
cleveland cavaliers: 83,030


it's not some next level of complaining just a lot of posters out here to do it.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Damn this series just got slightly interesting. Also Cavs/Raptors fans are no longer lavishing praise on each other's teams

[Crazomali]

Damn this series just got slightly interesting. Also Cavs/Raptors fans are no longer lavishing praise on each other's teams

tbh it was expected

Damn I miss a game and the unthinkable happens. Now I'll have to watch game 4 I guess. Raps still probably have no chance but you never know.

please miss game 4 thx

[Green Backpack]

Damn this series just got slightly interesting. Also Cavs/Raptors fans are no longer lavishing praise on each other's teams

I noticed the same thing. After games 1 and 2 fans were still buddy buddy.. now things are heating up lol

[jbk1234]

Hmm the point of calling out the officiating is to set the tone for a long series. One win doesnt ensure the raptors are going to advance, something had to be said. Every fan, cavs or raptors or warriors or whoever, could blatanly see the obvious discrepancy in the officiating. I agree with several posters who said this was SAC-LAL bad. Because it really is. Casey complained at the most appropriate time, so his team not only wins despite the additional variables helping the cavs, but so his team works hard and doesnt make excuses. Even the commentators from ESPN were calling out the inconsistent officiating in favour of the cavs.

There is no obvious discrepancy in the officiating. Here's the truth, Joseph's "really good" defense on Kyrie was really physical. If that game were called differently, he would have picked up at least three more fouls. The Raptors played illegal defense for most of the game. Scola and Biz rarely left the paint to guard their man. Every time Love is switched onto a small player anywhere near the post, that small player basically power blocked him out of the post before the entry pass. That's a foul. They weren't called. Biz pulled down 26 rebounds and wasn't called for a single lose ball foul. Not one. Now if you think that's because he didn't commit any, you're crazy. Biz got plenty of offensive players with the body while rim protecting, wasn't "vertical," and they let that go. He only picked up two fouls all game and one of them he rapped LBJ around the head. If Casey were smart, he'd realize that the only chance his team has in a let-them-play type of series and STFU about the officiating. You're never going to get every call and the officials aren't going to call it tight on one end and loose on the other. The Raptors have no chance in a series that's called tight, they're getting a series that isn't. That's a win of them. Fans are allowed to not understand that, but coaches are suppose to know better.

Easy man, we're all civil fans here even if we come from different teams right? Im not sure about the physicality with irving from joseph's defence, that's acually more of a demarree carroll stype of defence, not joseph. Joseph's defence has always been great staying in front of one's man, fighting through screens and contesting shots without physically hurting a player. If anyone is physical around here, it's irving, throwing an armbar to create space to get his shot off? What was that all about.

Joseph is into Irving's body, while Irving is in the air, going to the basket. He's altering Irving's trajectory. By any reading of the rule book - that's a foul. Now that's not how this game or series has been called so Cavs fans aren't parading out and screaming about conspiracies. But it's the height of hypocrisy to put that advantage in your pocket and then complain about Lowry or Derozan not getting calls for "drawing" (read initiating) contact on the other end. Just like you'd have to be beyond naive to believe that Biz pulled down 26 rebounds in a physical game without committing a single loose-ball foul.

Casey's not looking for fairness - he's looking for an advantage. Contrary to what he said yesterday, he doesn't want the game called the same way on both sides of the court. The game is being called the same way - the officials are swallowing their whistles and only calling blatant fouls. But he's stupid because there's a better chance that the officials come out the next game and start calling everything which would effectively end the series for the Raptors.

[sule]

Damn this series just got slightly interesting. Also Cavs/Raptors fans are no longer lavishing praise on each other's teams

I noticed the same thing. After games 1 and 2 fans were still buddy buddy.. now things are heating up lol

Good...this Superfriendz stuff needs to end. This "ahh shucks, we're just glad to be here, pa" attitude needs to end with Raps fans and players. It's a losers' mentality. Even if the Raptors lose the next two games, so be it. But make it hard on them. Make the Cavs remember this series. And come back for blood next year.

[Bankai]

Everything is all buddy buddy around here... until the Raptors cross the line and win a game. Happened all playoffs.

[Vlade Divac]

There is no obvious discrepancy in the officiating. Here's the truth, Joseph's "really good" defense on Kyrie was really physical. If that game were called differently, he would have picked up at least three more fouls. The Raptors played illegal defense for most of the game. Scola and Biz rarely left the paint to guard their man. Every time Love is switched onto a small player anywhere near the post, that small player basically power blocked him out of the post before the entry pass. That's a foul. They weren't called. Biz pulled down 26 rebounds and wasn't called for a single lose ball foul. Not one. Now if you think that's because he didn't commit any, you're crazy. Biz got plenty of offensive players with the body while rim protecting, wasn't "vertical," and they let that go. He only picked up two fouls all game and one of them he rapped LBJ around the head. If Casey were smart, he'd realize that the only chance his team has in a let-them-play type of series and STFU about the officiating. You're never going to get every call and the officials aren't going to call it tight on one end and loose on the other. The Raptors have no chance in a series that's called tight, they're getting a series that isn't. That's a win of them. Fans are allowed to not understand that, but coaches are suppose to know better.

Easy man, we're all civil fans here even if we come from different teams right? Im not sure about the physicality with irving from joseph's defence, that's acually more of a demarree carroll stype of defence, not joseph. Joseph's defence has always been great staying in front of one's man, fighting through screens and contesting shots without physically hurting a player. If anyone is physical around here, it's irving, throwing an armbar to create space to get his shot off? What was that all about.

Joseph is into Irving's body, while Irving is in the air, going to the basket. He's altering Irving's trajectory. By any reading of the rule book - that's a foul. Now that's not how this game or series has been called so Cavs fans aren't parading out and screaming about conspiracies. But it's the height of hypocrisy to put that advantage in your pocket and then complain about Lowry or Derozan not getting calls for "drawing" (read initiating) contact on the other end. Just like you'd have to be beyond naive to believe that Biz pulled down 26 rebounds in a physical game without committing a single loose-ball foul.

Casey's not looking for fairness - he's looking for an advantage. Contrary to what he said yesterday, he doesn't want the game called the same way on both sides of the court. The game is being called the same way - the officials are swallowing their whistles and only calling blatant fouls. But he's stupid because there's a better chance that the officials come out the next game and start calling everything which would effectively end the series for the Raptors.

The Referee Operations Department of NBA is looking for unbiased and knowledgeable person to be main adviser to the President. Since you fit the profile could i recommend you. In your post you demonstrated expertise rarely seen and uncanny sense for detail. Most importantly that you have no bias for any team.

[Thugger HBC]

Biyombo will make this a 6 game series by himself, consistent offense from Lowry pushes the series to 7, more NBA players need to super-charge themselves with Usain Bolt confidence as Mr. Biyombo has done. Biyombo is the most formidable opponent that Lebron has ever faced in the playoffs.

I see no way he gets anywhere near the same output in game 4. Likely in early foul trouble and will be planted on the bench.

I do like his effort and energy, but he isn't actually skilled enough to maintain what he did last night.

[Dupp]

Damn this series just got slightly interesting. Also Cavs/Raptors fans are no longer lavishing praise on each other's teams

I mentioned you said this would happen yesterday.
It's not so much they beat us but the fact all they want to talk about is the refs. Doesn't make for a good thread.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Damn this series just got slightly interesting. Also Cavs/Raptors fans are no longer lavishing praise on each other's teams

I mentioned you said this would happen yesterday.
It's not so much they beat us but the fact all they want to talk about is the refs. Doesn't make for a good thread.

That's how it always is on this board when you're dealing with a favorite and underdog sadly. Every series, always.

The weird thing is the underdog usually complains when they lose, the level of complaining after a win is really throwing me off. I think the LeBron flops gave fuel to the fire for sure though, overall the officiating was fine but that's all people remember.

[McKenna]

Biyombo will make this a 6 game series by himself, consistent offense from Lowry pushes the series to 7, more NBA players need to super-charge themselves with Usain Bolt confidence as Mr. Biyombo has done. Biyombo is the most formidable opponent that Lebron has ever faced in the playoffs.

I see no way he gets anywhere near the same output in game 4. Likely in early foul trouble and will be planted on the bench.

I do like his effort and energy, but he isn't actually skilled enough to maintain what he did last night.

He will be the victim of NBA playoff adjustments.

[NinjaBro]

Biyombo will make this a 6 game series by himself, consistent offense from Lowry pushes the series to 7, more NBA players need to super-charge themselves with Usain Bolt confidence as Mr. Biyombo has done. Biyombo is the most formidable opponent that Lebron has ever faced in the playoffs.

I see no way he gets anywhere near the same output in game 4. Likely in early foul trouble and will be planted on the bench.

I do like his effort and energy, but he isn't actually skilled enough to maintain what he did last night.

Considering that Biyombo just tied an NBA record with the great Wilt Chamberlain at 26 rebounds in a playoff game, it's highly unlikely he'll have this kind of performance again

[Thugger HBC]

Biyombo will make this a 6 game series by himself, consistent offense from Lowry pushes the series to 7, more NBA players need to super-charge themselves with Usain Bolt confidence as Mr. Biyombo has done. Biyombo is the most formidable opponent that Lebron has ever faced in the playoffs.

I see no way he gets anywhere near the same output in game 4. Likely in early foul trouble and will be planted on the bench.

I do like his effort and energy, but he isn't actually skilled enough to maintain what he did last night.

Considering that Biyombo just tied an NBA record with the great Wilt Chamberlain at 26 rebounds in a playoff game, it's highly unlikely he'll have this kind of performance again