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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#3041 » by lambchop » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:07 pm

THE J0KER wrote:Imagine if Eastern Conference last season played on this FIBA system (one game knockout game instead of best of seven series), so in the quarterfinal of the East, as we know what happened in the game one of Philadelphia-Brooklyn and Toronto-Orlando series, there were shocking upsets with Nets and Magic beat Sixers and Raptors, and in that case Toronto and Philadelphia would play 5-8 place relegation game instead of semifinal game. That is how I see today USA-Serbia game :lol:


Not a good comparison. Mentally these KO games are different, whereas game 1 of the POs never really matters. You can lose game 1 and just simply go for the 4-1 gentleman's sweep. Game 1 is more about feeling each other out. The POs are so long that teams even say "let's just 1 on the road". There's no urgency to win every game.

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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#3042 » by TheNewEra » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:12 pm

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GREY 1769 wrote:You guys make it seem as if other guys were chosen over Fox. Fox declined to stay on the team. I mean, these discussions of other players so often concern those who decided not to commit and I find it so bizarre.



I thought I read that Fox quit before he was going to be cut. The game he struggled in and didn’t receive a lot of minutes led to the belief he wasn’t going to be involved as much.

Well I thought White would get cut the game before that because -- he struggled and didn't receive a lot of minutes. His penetration was great, outside shot not so much, and I honestly don't remember what kind of defender he was, but with FIBA being far more physical, it may have been a factor. I get letting a guy save face in these sorts of circumstances, but there was an interview with Pop shortly after and he looked genuinely taken aback and a bit upset at the news.

But Fox is one of a couple of grey area cases, right? If we look at all the guys who flat out declined, there's like two rosters' worth of players so there's a bigger issue at play beyond a Fox here or a Melo there. The decliners can suck it; huge credit and respect to the guys who committed.


Understandable. I can also see it from Fox point of view he was kind of the hyped to be the guy to show out then he’s competing with White for mins. Biggest concern from a confidence standpoint the usual boost from this will it impact guys that played in a negative way.

Not the olympics but damn sure going to be headlines about the failure
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Post#3043 » by GoSu » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:14 pm

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This tournament brought many surprises for sure :D
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Post#3044 » by gh123 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:20 pm

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Sir Psycho Sexy wrote:My guess is after they find 3 countries that are desperate enough to pay for organizing it :lol:


I just wonder if Luka is gonna go. He likely will, coz our chances of making PO are very low, so he'll be well rested. Take a month break, watch some NBA PO, then head to Slovenia and prepare for the qualification.


He wont go once he realises that without Dragic Slovenia is left with a bunch of scrubs that not even prime Jordan could lead to anything significant.

We'll see. I'd like him to go, it's good experience, olympic basketball is meaningful unlike football.
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#3045 » by Bob8 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:21 pm

THE J0KER wrote:Imagine if Eastern Conference last season played on this FIBA system (one game knockout game instead of best of seven series), so in the quarterfinal of the East, as we know what happened in the game one of Philadelphia-Brooklyn and Toronto-Orlando series, there were shocking upsets with Nets and Magic beat Sixers and Raptors, and in that case Toronto and Philadelphia would play 5-8 place relegation game instead of semifinal game. That is how I see today USA-Serbia game :lol:


I believe you should see it totally differently. USA just wasn’t able to beat anybody serious in this WC. They have lucky escape against Turkey, which is btw. the worst Turkey in last 10 years, and than reality kick in. No way that this USA would have beaten Australia or Spain. Their biggest win is against Czech, which is nobody on basketball map. 7/8 place is just about right.
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Post#3046 » by MagicFrenchie » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:24 pm

Satoransky is legit.
A lot of info on this tourney : give euro players playing time : bogdanovic , satoransky, mills and fournier have been amazing.
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#3047 » by G R E Y » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:32 pm

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I thought I read that Fox quit before he was going to be cut. The game he struggled in and didn’t receive a lot of minutes led to the belief he wasn’t going to be involved as much.

Well I thought White would get cut the game before that because -- he struggled and didn't receive a lot of minutes. His penetration was great, outside shot not so much, and I honestly don't remember what kind of defender he was, but with FIBA being far more physical, it may have been a factor. I get letting a guy save face in these sorts of circumstances, but there was an interview with Pop shortly after and he looked genuinely taken aback and a bit upset at the news.

But Fox is one of a couple of grey area cases, right? If we look at all the guys who flat out declined, there's like two rosters' worth of players so there's a bigger issue at play beyond a Fox here or a Melo there. The decliners can suck it; huge credit and respect to the guys who committed.


Understandable. I can also see it from Fox point of view he was kind of the hyped to be the guy to show out then he’s competing with White for mins. Biggest concern from a confidence standpoint the usual boost from this will it impact guys that played in a negative way.

Not the olympics but damn sure going to be headlines about the failure

This team grew really tight. I've been following all the practices, interviews, quotes, etc., and they have a genuine brotherhood. I think once reason prevails, and this team isn't constantly being looked at through the skewed lens of more talent-laden rosters of the past and their achievements, the conversation will pivot to the players who flat out bailed. FIBA moving the schedule to make the commitment half way across the world within such a short time of the NBA season and Olympics schedule also gave it the result it sought. So a perfect storm of new team, short time to develop, stars bailing, schedule moved will looked at.

Reactionary headlines will be what they will be, but this is a team in transition and had more factors to deal with than just about any other prospective contender. Nobody on the team used any of them as an excuse, but that these were factors is a reality. I think the more insightful columns will take them into account and look at least as much at how much other players didn't take enough pride in committing.

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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#3048 » by G R E Y » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:35 pm

GoSu wrote:Image

This tournament brought many surprises for sure :D

And Serbia lost the second Q by 21 points. So many knee-jerk reactions. It's more understandable in real time.
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Post#3049 » by Showdown » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:44 pm

Do you have Bogdanovic's and Jokic's averages from this tournament after this game ?
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Post#3050 » by Maf » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:45 pm

It's official! Czechs are better in basketball then Americans! :D
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Post#3051 » by Ballerhogger » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:46 pm

GREY 1769 wrote:
GoSu wrote:Image

This tournament brought many surprises for sure :D

And Serbia lost the second Q by 21 points. So many knee-jerk reactions. It's more understandable in real time.

They still lost pretty bad coaching job and kemba not looking good
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Post#3052 » by Sir Psycho Sexy » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:51 pm

Showdown wrote:Do you have Bogdanovic's and Jokic's averages from this tournament after this game ?

http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/team/Serbia

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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#3053 » by G R E Y » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:53 pm

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GoSu wrote:Image

This tournament brought many surprises for sure :D

And Serbia lost the second Q by 21 points. So many knee-jerk reactions. It's more understandable in real time.

They still lost pretty bad coaching job and kemba not looking good

Which game are you talking about? Because if it's this one, the coaching adjustments brought them from a 20+ point deficit and they lost the game by 5 points this while shooting I think 11-33 from 3. So they had their chances and made a game of it after a heavy footed first Q from playing late the night before. But people are at the taking glee at any mishap stage of proceedings.
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#3054 » by Maf » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:55 pm

Bob8 wrote:Their biggest win is against Czech, which is nobody on basketball map. 7/8 place is just about right.



How you can ignore basketball powerhouse who gave NBA players like Zídek, man who lead UCLA to their last NCAA tittle? Jiří Welsch who started for famous Boston Celtics and taught Pierce how to win and Veselý? All legends. :nod:
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Post#3055 » by Mogspan » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:57 pm

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Sugarless wrote: But it was the most overhyped European team ever. That has to be worth something, right?


I dont understand comments here. Overhyped? Overrated. This team played finals of Olympic games, finals of Euro, finals of World cup.

We lost, Argentina dominated. Its sport, move on.

LoL. yeah, saying that this team could beat USA or that this team is the best european team ever... lol, i call this overhype, and overrate. Just look and the pool of this topic. All the serbs voting like crazy. Many post saying they were to destroy all the other national teams. I haven t seen such arrogance by nationals fans on this forum ever.

Heck they are not even the best european team in this tournament i would take Spain, they are still miles over them as we saw when they faced each other.


They did end up beating USA lol. Are you a Bosniak or a Croat by chance? You've been triggered by the Serbs.
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#3056 » by Bob8 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:04 pm

I like all this excuses, but I wonder, where has disappeared the most talented team in this tournament? The team, which is better in 4/5 positions than anybody else?
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Post#3057 » by Triples333 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:08 pm

Interesting that a lot of talk about the Serbs leg up here was on Jokic and their size, but it seems the Americans in fact dominated the glass and were again outshot from 3. Interesting that the teams took turns giving each other their worst quarter in the tournament in the 1st half as well. I was going to re watch this one but meh who really cares. Certainly not the US or it's players so why should I.
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#3058 » by a-French-Fan » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:23 pm

I am watching USA-France for the 3rd time :)

And now, I don't understand what Harris did on the floor. Can't defend on Gobert or on De Colo. 2 very different players
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Post#3059 » by stoo » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:24 pm

Bob8 wrote:I like all this excuses, but I wonder, where has disappeared the most talented team in this tournament? The team, which is better in 4/5 positions than anybody else?


This is cup.. 1 game makes a difference. If Serbia have beaten Spain or Argentina, they may just possibly win it all. But you can always lose 1 game, can't u?
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#3060 » by wang000hk » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:34 pm

You know this team is trash when it lost 2 games in a row
Both Serbia and France are quality teams with multiple good NBA players on the squad
Should have given Melo a chance to be a veteran on this team whether he gets significant playing time or not

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