2020 NBA All Star Weekend Thread | 69th All Star Game

Cobra Kawhi · Post #3141 » by **Cobra Kawhi** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:13 am

whitehops wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Anyone bashing Lowry just doesn't know what winning basketball looks like. He can defend better than the other guys.

winning basketball usually ends in a W.

You mean like a chip and the third best record this year on a decimated team.

You're just salty your team can only manage to sell out a game when the raptors are in town.

Mikistan · Post #3142 » by **Mikistan** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:14 am

Jimmy butler pissed at Nick Nurse... Skills media availability

Threezus · Post #3143 » by **Threezus** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:15 am

VanWest82 wrote:
SFour wrote:
BlueSan wrote:So why no Trae and Luka in 4th was that explained? They were voted in the starting line up....

Young and Doncic have many allstar games ahead of them.....can't say the same for Lowry and CP3

Also, I trust Lowry and CP3 to sacrifice for their team and play defense in the 4th so their All NBA teammates can bring them home. Trae Young had no place in that game in the 4th. Luka not being out there was tough but he hasn't really earned that yet either.

Normally i wouldn't have a problem with Lowry being in there as i like him as a player quite a bit but when he is playing as bad as he was on both sides of the ball in the 4th tonight then you gotta pull him. I'll 100% admit he is a better defender than trae and it's not even close. But tonight his defense wasn't all that good and he was causing some serious fouls that put his team in bad spots instead of playing good defense. I understand the reasoning behind it based on past experience from him but when you don't have it that night you don't have it lol.

Post #3144 » by **ken6199** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:16 am

Catchall wrote:
ken6199 wrote:The only real clutch guy at the end was CP3. He had good reads, did all the right things, and had good shot selection. He was low key solid in 4Q though not as visibly outstanding as Kawhi. He earned those minutes over Doncic.

Team LeBron also played an organized way on offense. LeBron the initiator, AD and Kawhi as the finisher, Harden merely as a decoy, Paul spot up. They executed down the stretch whereas the other side were just playing whatever their feel was.

I agree, but where was Luka Doncic?

The coaches are being creative with their rotation, like Nurse was fielding out some of the reserves to start the 3Q. I guess Paul was playing very well today so he earned the minutes over Luka, and Paul's defense was huge down the stretch. I even go one step further and say having two vets in Kemba and Paul closing out the game over two sophomore sensations Luka and Trae could even be an agreement between the two coaches.

asdfgh · Post #3145 » by **asdfgh** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:16 am

Was that a foul on Davis? It didn't look like a foul to me. What a horrible way to end the game.

gp2015 · Post #3146 » by **gp2015** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:17 am

asdfgh wrote:Was that a foul on Davis? It didn't look like a foul to me. What a horrible way to end the game.

Yep, Lowry grabbed his arm to fish for a foul. He didn't really have much choice in that instance though. Davis would have scored otherwise.

blargh · Post #3147 » by **blargh** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:17 am

blargh wrote:
Kemba had two turnovers in the 4th: the bad pass lebron picked up, and when Kemba dribbled it off his foot.

Lowry took two charges in the 4th: one on Kawhi and one on Harden.

No reasonable person is going to blame Lowry for that foul at the end. Once he’s switched onto Davis in the paint, he’s got to use every trick available to him and hope the refs don’t notice.

All that said, Team Giannis lost because neither of these two guards was really good enough to create offense for themselves at the end. I felt like I was watching my Sixers play.

Ckay · Post #3148 » by **Ckay** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:17 am

asdfgh wrote:Was that a foul on Davis? It didn't look like a foul to me. What a horrible way to end the game.

Watch on YouTube

raptor jesus · Post #3149 » by **raptor jesus** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:18 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:People are actually arguing that Lowry wasn't valuable in the 4th? Good God it must suck to only be able to read a stat sheet.

One of the quickest ways to expose oneself as a basketball neophyte is to slag Kyle Lowry. He was making major impact plays, as per usual, yet it seems some people can only focus on the simplest of things - the ball going through the hoop.

Post #3150 » by **ken6199** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:18 am

Still think if Nurse had the balls to put Butler and Middleton in over Lowry and Kemba, or at least Butler over Kemba, red team might have won with that lead they had.

Buzzard · Post #3151 » by **Buzzard** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:19 am

Cobra Kawhi wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
Buzzard wrote:He lead them in assist and shot better than Lowry.

Trae 10 PTS, 10 AST, 4 TO, 3 REB, 40% FG%, 33.3% 3PT%
Lowry 13 PTS, 8 AST, 3 TO, 5 REB, 33.3 FG%, 25% 3 PT%.

I am not saying Trae should have played the whole 4th quarter but its pretty clear to me he should have been in there when Team Giannis could not buy a bucket. Something damn sure should have changed when you have Trae, Butler, Bam, and Gobert gathering cob webs the whole 4th quarter.

the 4th was played with alot of defensive intensity. i think the only 2 that could've played for giannis' team that didn't were butler and gobert.

Dude doesn't understand winning bball. He wants to watch Trae chuck from the logo and get beat badly on the defensive end. Winning plays don't matter, it's just entertainment value. It's the motto written on the hawks dressing room wall.

I mentioned putting in Bam, Butler, and Gobert as well. Reading is fundamental; and I read and keep up with basketball better than the tunnel vision Trae haters. Which is why I know there were more great players in the Giannis lineup than Lowry, Kemba, Siakam, Embiid, and no you cannot take the Captain out in the 4th, so I am good with Giannis staying in.

Nurse screwed up in the 4th and he got their asses handed to them 33 to 22. That's a fact, so be sure and not read it.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #3152 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:19 am

raptor jesus wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:People are actually arguing that Lowry wasn't valuable in the 4th? Good God it must suck to only be able to read a stat sheet.

One of the quickest ways to expose oneself as a basketball neophyte is to slag Kyle Lowry. He was making major impact plays, as per usual, yet some can only focus on the simplest of things - the ball going through the hoop.

They definitely earned a spot on my ignore list since they provide nothing of value on this basketball forum.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #3153 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:20 am

Read on Twitter

Threezus · Post #3154 » by **Threezus** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:21 am

Kurtz wrote:
Threezus wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
In fairness, it's just a couple of Celtics fans trying to deflect from Kemba and Hawks fans who don't know how to win and think Trae Young's and-1 gimmicks (although awesome to watch) is winning basketball.

See this bs right here is pure garbage. Just because a person is a fan of a team you act like they don't know basketball and haven't watched the nba for the last 25+ years or more. But no watching 1 guy for 2 years on a team you like completely removes all the basketball knowledge and games watched over that time of every other team and player you have watched over those years.

Look, maybe you do know the game, but your love for Young is blinding you. Fans of every team are telling you though why Young can't be on the floor in crunch time when the other team has 5 scorers on the floor.

It's not blinding me as i have already said traes defense is bad and i would have no problem lowry being out there if he was playing well. The problem here is Lowry was not playing well and his offense and defense were not that great today which happens at times. Lowry's a fantastic player and can play great defense much better than trae right now and probably better than trae will ever be on defense. But that doesn't mean Lowry was at his best tonight and shouldn't have been subbed out for someone that could have given them more offense if Lowry's defense and fouls were bad which he's normally not known for was causing problems with him providing zero offense.

Kurtz · Post #3155 » by **Kurtz** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:21 am

I mean at the end of the day if the clear hack by Davis on Embiid is not overturned or if Kemba makes a basic 4th grader layup, then team Giannis wins, I win my wager, and the whole Atlanta fanbase isn't in this thread telling us Young was the saviour that was promised, and everyone goes home happy.

whitehops · Post #3156 » by **whitehops** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:22 am

Cobra Kawhi wrote:You mean like a chip and the third best record this year on a decimated team.

You're just salty your team can only manage to sell out a game when the raptors are in town.

lowry's effort was on full display tonight but so was his incessant whining to refs (which he was doing before the game got serious), his flopping and flailing and his bone-headed decision making (see: blatantly fouling davis in a situation where you can't afford to foul).

also, his "chip" is 100% owed to kawhi and the warriors being decimated by injuries. it's like praising harrison barnes winning a chip in 2015 when they played the cavs without love and irving.

Klayforspicy · Post #3157 » by **Klayforspicy** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:23 am

ken6199 wrote:Still think if Nurse had the balls to put Butler and Middleton in over Lowry and Kemba, or at least Butler over Kemba, red team might have won with that lead they had.

Nurse has a very bad OCD. He absolutely must play two 5'11 point guards and sacrifice size and length.

Threezus · Post #3158 » by **Threezus** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:23 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:People are actually arguing that Lowry wasn't valuable in the 4th? Good God it must suck to only be able to read a stat sheet.

One of the quickest ways to expose oneself as a basketball neophyte is to slag Kyle Lowry. He was making major impact plays, as per usual, yet some can only focus on the simplest of things - the ball going through the hoop.

They definitely earned a spot on my ignore list since they provide nothing of value on this basketball forum.

I hope and pray im the 1st one you and most other raptor fans(not all some are cool) put on their ignore list because from what im seeing the majority of you think all high and mighty and slander other teams fans based just on what team their a fan of. Heck even most celtic and laker fans who are gods in the nba world team wise with billions of trophies between the 2 don't act as smug as some of the raptor fans on this board it feels like.

VanWest82 · Post #3159 » by **VanWest82** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:24 am

Threezus wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:
SFour wrote:
Young and Doncic have many allstar games ahead of them.....can't say the same for Lowry and CP3

Also, I trust Lowry and CP3 to sacrifice for their team and play defense in the 4th so their All NBA teammates can bring them home. Trae Young had no place in that game in the 4th. Luka not being out there was tough but he hasn't really earned that yet either.

Normally i wouldn't have a problem with Lowry being in there as i like him as a player quite a bit but when he is playing as bad as he was on both sides of the ball in the 4th tonight then you gotta pull him. I'll 100% admit he is a better defender than trae and it's not even close. But tonight his defense wasn't all that good and he was causing some serious fouls that put his team in bad spots instead of playing good defense. I understand the reasoning behind it based on past experience from him but when you don't have it that night you don't have it lol.

He had some fouls at the end there that really cost them but you could easily make the argument that Lowry blew up more plays throughout the game than anyone else outside of AD. He disrupted two alley oops in the first half. He caused several misses from three with his little run under move. He QB'd the defense on switches all game. He took three obvious charges, two of which were called. He had three steals. He finished with 8 assists. It's hard to argue he sucked.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #3160 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:26 am

whitehops wrote:
Cobra Kawhi wrote:You mean like a chip and the third best record this year on a decimated team.

You're just salty your team can only manage to sell out a game when the raptors are in town.

lowry's effort was on full display tonight but so was his incessant whining to refs (which he was doing before the game got serious), his flopping and flailing and his bone-headed decision making (see: blatantly fouling davis in a situation where you can't afford to foul).

also, his "chip" is 100% owed to kawhi and the warriors being decimated by injuries. it's like praising harrison barnes winning a chip in 2015 when they played the cavs without love and irving.

Did you just compare Kyle Lowry's impact to Harrison Barnes? I genuinely feel sorry for the regulars of any board you post on.