Wall vs. Kyrie for the last pg spot according to USA Today

[DaeDae]

Wall had no points, 1 dime and 4 turnovers in the televised scrimmage. Kyrie had 6,4 dimes, 2 steals and 0 turnovers.

AND Kyrie outplayed him in practice all week.

AND Kyrie destroyed him and Lillard last years in the televised scrimmage.

Wall fans had to eat it while Kyrie came outta nowhere and stole their guy's shine. Wall was supposed to be the next great PG and Kyrie took it in a year flat. Now, because the Wiz had a good year, they've overvalued Wall's actual skill level, making up for lost hype.

He's not in Kyrie's class and it shows every time the playing field is equal. Every single time and no one wants to admit it. It's different passing to James Harden for a catch and shoot J than it is to Dion Waiters, watching him pass up an open J to rock back and forth and rhythm dribble into a 20 foot brick. It's different coming off the pick and leaving it for the roll man and that roll man is Big Cuz instead of Bad Feet Tristan.

Wall was getting cut from jump. He sucks in half court and he's not smart.

Ask kyrie to lead a team to the playoffs 1st...
wall kyrie
beal waiters
ariza deng
Nene thompson
gortat varajao...

these teams aren't too much different both have injury prone bigs and both pg was leader...one team went to the 2nd rd one ended up with the #1 draft pick...
it's easy to play with high IQ starters like in the USA scrimminages...try making your team look good and win...then u accomplished something

EXACTLY!!!!

[JWizmentality]

So that's why they're considering going with Mason Plumlee over Demarcus Cousins...
Get outta here man. Always have to have an excuse. Irving is the better man for the job.

...uh huh.

Great rebuttal.

Thanks

[HyMay]

I would go Wall, but Irving is a Duke guy

Exactly.....

Wall didn't look his best during USA basketball (neither did Irving), but Wall made me a believer during the playoffs.

[DaeDae]

Wall had no points, 1 dime and 4 turnovers in the televised scrimmage. Kyrie had 6,4 dimes, 2 steals and 0 turnovers.

AND Kyrie outplayed him in practice all week.

AND Kyrie destroyed him and Lillard last years in the televised scrimmage.

Wall fans had to eat it while Kyrie came outta nowhere and stole their guy's shine. Wall was supposed to be the next great PG and Kyrie took it in a year flat. Now, because the Wiz had a good year, they've overvalued Wall's actual skill level, making up for lost hype.

He's not in Kyrie's class and it shows every time the playing field is equal. Every single time and no one wants to admit it. It's different passing to James Harden for a catch and shoot J than it is to Dion Waiters, watching him pass up an open J to rock back and forth and rhythm dribble into a 20 foot brick. It's different coming off the pick and leaving it for the roll man and that roll man is Big Cuz instead of Bad Feet Tristan.

Wall was getting cut from jump. He sucks in half court and he's not smart.

Ask kyrie to lead a team to the playoffs 1st...
wall kyrie
beal waiters
ariza deng
Nene thompson
gortat varajao...

these teams aren't too much different both have injury prone bigs and both pg was leader...one team went to the 2nd rd one ended up with the #1 draft pick...
it's easy to play with high IQ starters like in the USA scrimminages...try making your team look good and win...then u accomplished something

It took Wall four years to reach the playoffs.

Next year is Kyrie's 4th year.

Cry your ass off.

Kyrie won't be LEADING cleveland anywhere. He'll be FOLLOWING Lebron to the playoffs.

[kinghasnoequal]

It would be indeed.

Oh okay. So then we have a mutual understanding that Wall is currently better. Good to know.

No.....we don't. We have a mutual understanding that between 2013 and 2014, Wall was better because Rose didn't play. That is all. But this wasn't about Wall. This is about the extremely overrated Kyrie Irving.

This is about a deserving point guard in Wall not making the team because a favour is being done for Rose. it should never have been kyrie vs wall for the last spot.

[DaeDae]

I would go Wall, but Irving is a Duke guy

Exactly.....

Wall didn't look his best during USA basketball (neither did Irving), but Wall made me a believer during the playoffs.

He's a better PG (despite his flaws) than Kyrie. Like I said, basketball is played at two ends of the court. Kyrie Irving's DRTG is an abysmal 108 for his career. He doesn't guard, and he's not elite enough to take that end of the court off.

[basaglia]

Ask kyrie to lead a team to the playoffs 1st...
wall kyrie
beal waiters
ariza deng
Nene thompson
gortat varajao...

these teams aren't too much different both have injury prone bigs and both pg was leader...one team went to the 2nd rd one ended up with the #1 draft pick...
it's easy to play with high IQ starters like in the USA scrimminages...try making your team look good and win...then u accomplished something

It took Wall four years to reach the playoffs.

Next year is Kyrie's 4th year.

Cry your ass off.

Kyrie won't be LEADING cleveland anywhere. He'll be FOLLOWING Lebron to the playoffs.

So?

Dogg, no one cares how y'all try to spin this. Kyrie will be an all-star AGAIN and will go deeper in the playoffs than Wall, who probably won't be an all-star with Rose back and Wade.

And let's be real...Beal's better than Wall, too. No shame in Kyrie not being better than the best player on earth. But, Wall was supposed to be THE GUY coming out of the college and he's been a massive letdown.

[DaeDae]

Oh okay. So then we have a mutual understanding that Wall is currently better. Good to know.

No.....we don't. We have a mutual understanding that between 2013 and 2014, Wall was better because Rose didn't play. That is all. But this wasn't about Wall. This is about the extremely overrated Kyrie Irving.

This is about a deserving point guard in Wall not making the team because a favour is being done for Rose. it should never have been kyrie vs wall for the last spot.

If wall was truly better than Rose, a player who you admit hasn't played in 2 years, then he should have summarily outplayed him at every turn. NOBODY has said or witnessed that. Not reporters, not other players, and nobody who watched the live scrimmage. Wall truthfully has nobody to blame but himself for getting cut. I DO think he's better than Irving, but by EVERY account I've seen, Rose has been the best Guard in Camp.

Don't want Rose to make the team? Outplay him. Shouldn't be that difficult since he hasn't played in 2 years, and clearly can't be that good....right???

[HyMay]

Exactly.....

Wall didn't look his best during USA basketball (neither did Irving), but Wall made me a believer during the playoffs.

He's a better PG (despite his flaws) than Kyrie. Like I said, basketball is played at two ends of the court. Kyrie Irving's DRTG is an abysmal 108 for his career. He doesn't guard, and he's not elite enough to take that end of the court off.

I'm with you. Kyrie has been a big disappointment when you consider the hype. Last year was the year for him to lead and did the opposite. Perhaps he is a mastermind, however, he tanked for the #1 pick and Lebron. Maybe, I have this all wrong.

[basaglia]

Oh okay. So then we have a mutual understanding that Wall is currently better. Good to know.

No.....we don't. We have a mutual understanding that between 2013 and 2014, Wall was better because Rose didn't play. That is all. But this wasn't about Wall. This is about the extremely overrated Kyrie Irving.

This is about a deserving point guard in Wall not making the team because a favour is being done for Rose. it should never have been kyrie vs wall for the last spot.

This is about Wall being the worst point guard in practice all week and sharting on himself on national TV in the blue-white scrimmage.

[DaeDae]

And by the way: Colangelo makes roster decisions, not Thibs.

[DaeDae]

Wall didn't look his best during USA basketball (neither did Irving), but Wall made me a believer during the playoffs.

He's a better PG (despite his flaws) than Kyrie. Like I said, basketball is played at two ends of the court. Kyrie Irving's DRTG is an abysmal 108 for his career. He doesn't guard, and he's not elite enough to take that end of the court off.

I'm with you. Kyrie has been a big disappointment when you consider the hype. Last year was the year for him to lead and did the opposite. Perhaps he is a mastermind, however, he tanked for the #1 pick and Lebron. Maybe, I have this all wrong.

Nope. He regressed in every statistical category, including ALL the advanced metrics. There's no statistical basis for calling Kyrie Irving in 2014, an improved player over his 2013 or even rookie self. He's gotten WORSE every season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nky01.html

[mrmsix6]

SMH at all the excuses.

Irving was simply better than Wall in every single team USA event. It's that simple. They both had opportunities to show they were worthy and one player stood out above the other. Accept it and move on.

[kinghasnoequal]

No.....we don't. We have a mutual understanding that between 2013 and 2014, Wall was better because Rose didn't play. That is all. But this wasn't about Wall. This is about the extremely overrated Kyrie Irving.

This is about a deserving point guard in Wall not making the team because a favour is being done for Rose. it should never have been kyrie vs wall for the last spot.

If wall was truly better than Rose, a player who you admit hasn't played in 2 years, then he should have summarily outplayed him at every turn. NOBODY has said or witnessed that. Not reporters, not other players, and nobody who watched the live scrimmage. Wall truthfully has nobody to blame but himself for getting cut. I DO think he's better than Irving, but by EVERY account I've seen, Rose has been the best Guard in Camp.

Don't want Rose to make the team? Outplay him. Shouldn't be that difficult since he hasn't played in 2 years, and clearly can't be that good....right???

There's literally a 1% chance that Rose isn't rusty right now. Even if Lebron sat out of basketball for two years (injury-free) and tried to come back he would be rusty and i would put KD/Melo and a healthy PG on the team before him. Unless Wall played nowhere near his playoff level, he deserved to make the team over DRose.

Everyone is pulling for Rose to be healthy. Why would anyone say anything negative towards him? Last year we heard nothing but great things about Rose before the season started, but he played like garbage when he came back.

[basaglia]

He's a better PG (despite his flaws) than Kyrie. Like I said, basketball is played at two ends of the court. Kyrie Irving's DRTG is an abysmal 108 for his career. He doesn't guard, and he's not elite enough to take that end of the court off.

I'm with you. Kyrie has been a big disappointment when you consider the hype. Last year was the year for him to lead and did the opposite. Perhaps he is a mastermind, however, he tanked for the #1 pick and Lebron. Maybe, I have this all wrong.

Nope. He regressed in every statistical category, including ALL the advanced metrics. There's no statistical basis for calling Kyrie Irving in 2014, an improved player over his 2013 or even rookie self. He's gotten WORSE every season.

He has gotten worse every season, except in turnovers and assists. Yet his declining shooting percentages STILL put him above Wall's.

Cannot wait for this season's stats with all the open looks he'll be getting.

All I see is a buncha Kyrie haters gettin in their last jabs because they know what's coming. And they're buthurt about it.

[basaglia]

SMH at all the excuses.

Irving was simply better than Wall in every single team USA event. It's that simple. They both had opportunities to show they were worthy and one player stood out above the other. Accept it and move on.

boom.

[DaeDae]

I'm with you. Kyrie has been a big disappointment when you consider the hype. Last year was the year for him to lead and did the opposite. Perhaps he is a mastermind, however, he tanked for the #1 pick and Lebron. Maybe, I have this all wrong.

Nope. He regressed in every statistical category, including ALL the advanced metrics. There's no statistical basis for calling Kyrie Irving in 2014, an improved player over his 2013 or even rookie self. He's gotten WORSE every season.

He has gotten worse every season, except in turnovers and assists. Yet his declining shooting percentages STILL put him above Wall's.

Cannot wait for this season's stats with all the open looks he'll be getting.

All I see is a buncha Kyrie haters gettin in their last jabs because they know what's coming. And they're buthurt about it.

Nobody is worried about Kyrie Irving. Certainly not my team.

[basaglia]

Nope. He regressed in every statistical category, including ALL the advanced metrics. There's no statistical basis for calling Kyrie Irving in 2014, an improved player over his 2013 or even rookie self. He's gotten WORSE every season.

He has gotten worse every season, except in turnovers and assists. Yet his declining shooting percentages STILL put him above Wall's.

Cannot wait for this season's stats with all the open looks he'll be getting.

All I see is a buncha Kyrie haters gettin in their last jabs because they know what's coming. And they're buthurt about it.

Nobody is worried about Kyrie Irving. Certainly not my team.

cool. Good luck.

[TheOUTLAW]

Wall didn't look his best during USA basketball (neither did Irving), but Wall made me a believer during the playoffs.

He's a better PG (despite his flaws) than Kyrie. Like I said, basketball is played at two ends of the court. Kyrie Irving's DRTG is an abysmal 108 for his career. He doesn't guard, and he's not elite enough to take that end of the court off.

I'm with you. Kyrie has been a big disappointment when you consider the hype. Last year was the year for him to lead and did the opposite. Perhaps he is a mastermind, however, he tanked for the #1 pick and Lebron. Maybe, I have this all wrong.

He clearly didn't tank for the number one pick. Maybe he wanted to tank for the number nine though. That said, Kyrie himself will tell you he wasn't ready to lead the Cavs himself last year. Too young a team with too much strife and too many strong personalities.

[JG024]

I'm with you. Kyrie has been a big disappointment when you consider the hype. Last year was the year for him to lead and did the opposite. Perhaps he is a mastermind, however, he tanked for the #1 pick and Lebron. Maybe, I have this all wrong.

Nope. He regressed in every statistical category, including ALL the advanced metrics. There's no statistical basis for calling Kyrie Irving in 2014, an improved player over his 2013 or even rookie self. He's gotten WORSE every season.

He has gotten worse every season, except in turnovers and assists. Yet his declining shooting percentages STILL put him above Wall's.

Cannot wait for this season's stats with all the open looks he'll be getting.

All I see is a buncha Kyrie haters gettin in their last jabs because they know what's coming. And they're buthurt about it.

Exactly! I hope people are bumping all the Kyrie bashing threads up come January/February.