Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts (Updte Pg 17: Offer Pulled, DMo UFA)

K_chile22 · Post #321 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:34 pm

It really really really annoys me when people that have their message out there call organizations dirty and say they are cheating when they aren't and the person just has no idea how any of this works. If you aren't educated on the subject do not spread things like that to people who also aren't informed on the CBA.

red96 · Post #322 » by **red96** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:56 pm

quatin wrote:
HankMoody69 wrote:Dmo retweeted this:

Read on Twitter

Good one. Cliffs notes:

DMO was texting with Joel after failing Houston physical.

Said Houston promised not to trade him last year, then traded him to Detroit and he was insulted by it. He wanted out of Houston, but knew it was RFA and would "nut up" and play for Houston if no other option. DMO was happy with Nets offer, because of playing time and likely bonuses. Both DMO and Houston had issues with the matched contract. Houston didn't want the no-trade 2nd year, March 1st guarantee deadline and no extra physical test before money is guaranteed. DMO didn't like the bonuses, even if Houston matched the Nets bonuses, because of less playing time and likely bonuses becoming unlikely. I don't know who the other guy on the show is, but he said the players union is likely going to get involved and it was Morey doing DMO dirty by not matching the bonuses at all. Maybe it was a move to force DMO to renegotiate the matched contract, which eventually happened. Then he brought up Morey having a history of treating players too much like assets like Parsons and Barkley. Players should be wary of signing with Houston and etc.

What a joke. Parsons should be greatful that Morey allowed him to get 15M in a year where he was on contract to make just 800k. Parsons has been overpaid since Morey let him walk, ask Dallas and Memphis. Morey wasn't the Rockets GM back in the Barkley days. It wasn't until 11 years later.

DMo was set to get plenty of minutes at the start of the season, but he waited 20 games into the season to sign a worse contract, while the Rockets were playing well. That's him and BJ's fault, and he'd still get PT right now. The Players Union probably laughed at those 2 for screwing themselves so badly, just like some ex-players have.

And when is all of this going to negatively effect the Rockets ability to sign players? In the last few years they've signed Howard, Ryno, Ariza, and Gordon, and were right there for Bosh and Horford.

Ballerhogger · Post #323 » by **Ballerhogger** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:24 pm

And now he lost is bonus money. Yup should signed a QO.... I

pr0wler · Post #324 » by **pr0wler** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:12 pm

Raider_MXD wrote:
pr0wler wrote:Therefore, the Rockets are trying to maneuver their way out of the contract as delicately as possible as to limit the damage this will do to DMo's career going forward.

There would have been a simpler method: don't match the contract in the first place

They matched the offer sheet as they wanted to keep him in a Rockets uniform otherwise they wouldn't have bothered with 5+ months of these shenanigans. But if he subsequently fails the physical, what do you expect the Rockets to do?

Post #325 » by **FNQ** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:22 am

pr0wler wrote:
Raider_MXD wrote:
pr0wler wrote:Therefore, the Rockets are trying to maneuver their way out of the contract as delicately as possible as to limit the damage this will do to DMo's career going forward.

There would have been a simpler method: don't match the contract in the first place

They matched the offer sheet as they wanted to keep him in a Rockets uniform otherwise they wouldn't have bothered with 5+ months of these shenanigans. But if he subsequently fails the physical, what do you expect the Rockets to do?

It's a glitch in RFA.. the Rockets shouldnt be allowed to officially match until the physical is complete. IE once you match, you are locked in, period. So that if the Nets still wanted DMo, bad back and all, they could still have him.

Either way, it seems like DMo is back as an RFA and the Rockets are out. They did officially release him into RFA, correct?

Post #326 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:37 am

FNQ wrote:
pr0wler wrote:
Raider_MXD wrote:There would have been a simpler method: don't match the contract in the first place

They matched the offer sheet as they wanted to keep him in a Rockets uniform otherwise they wouldn't have bothered with 5+ months of these shenanigans. But if he subsequently fails the physical, what do you expect the Rockets to do?

It's a glitch in RFA.. the Rockets shouldnt be allowed to officially match until the physical is complete. IE once you match, you are locked in, period. So that if the Nets still wanted DMo, bad back and all, they could still have him.

Either way, it seems like DMo is back as an RFA and the Rockets are out. They did officially release him into RFA, correct?

If the Rockets had matched but failed Dmo when he did his physical, it would revert to a Nets deal and be a clean simple thing.

What went all sorts of wrong was Dmo didn't report. Houston voided the Nets deal as a result. Made a brand new (but similar) deal. Then (maybe in the process of) voiding that because of the physical. Because of the steps after the Nets offer, there is no deal to revert to. So, if it is fully voided, the Nets are blocked from an offer, and Houston has failed him in a physical, so there is no longer any standing offer left.

Post #327 » by **FNQ** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:58 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
FNQ wrote:
pr0wler wrote:
They matched the offer sheet as they wanted to keep him in a Rockets uniform otherwise they wouldn't have bothered with 5+ months of these shenanigans. But if he subsequently fails the physical, what do you expect the Rockets to do?

It's a glitch in RFA.. the Rockets shouldnt be allowed to officially match until the physical is complete. IE once you match, you are locked in, period. So that if the Nets still wanted DMo, bad back and all, they could still have him.

Either way, it seems like DMo is back as an RFA and the Rockets are out. They did officially release him into RFA, correct?

If the Rockets had matched but failed Dmo when he did his physical, it would revert to a Nets deal and be a clean simple thing.

What went all sorts of wrong was Dmo didn't report. Houston voided the Nets deal as a result. Made a brand new (but similar) deal. Then (maybe in the process of) voiding that because of the physical. Because of the steps after the Nets offer, there is no deal to revert to. So, if it is fully voided, the Nets are blocked from an offer, and Houston has failed him in a physical, so there is no longer any standing offer left.

Gotcha.

What a disaster. I wonder what Euro league DMo's gonna play in this year

Post #328 » by **Mr. E** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:46 am

FNQ wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
FNQ wrote:Gotcha.

What a disaster. I wonder what Euro league DMo's gonna play in this year

I don't think that he can. I doubt FIBA clears him while there is controversy with his NBA rights.

And I am not an insider, but I have spoken with someone who probably knows more than any of us not named Smitty that a lot of assumptions are being made, and that no one has all of the clear details. For my part I'm going to stop speculating and just wait this out.

I really want Motiejunas back in Houston. But at the same time I don't want to see his career derailed because of red tape.

Edit - before anyone pesters me for details: I just relayed the entirety of the conversation. I didn't push beyond that. I spent more time talking to this person about non-coffee products for our Keurigs.

Post #329 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:49 am

Mr. E wrote:
FNQ wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:

I don't think that he can. I doubt FIBA clears him while there is controversy with his NBA rights.

And I am not an insider, but I have spoken with someone who probably knows more than any of us not named Smitty that a lot of assumptions are being made, and that no one has all of the clear details. For my part I'm going to stop speculating and just wait this out.

I really want Motiejunas back in Houston. But at the same time I don't want to see his career derailed because of red tape.

When Houston was debating what to do with the Nets deal and Motie not reporting for the physical, they could have blocked him from playing in Europe as he was signed.

As long as this deal is in limbo they can block him.

But if Houston voids their current deal (instead of working out some other solution), then Motie is free to sign in Europe and cannot be blocked from doing so.

That said, European money is a lot lower, and he would still be an RFA to Houston if he returned next summer. So, the logic of going to Europe for a few months isn't one I agree with. But if Houston full on voids this deal he could.

BallerTalk · Post #330 » by **BallerTalk** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:35 am

Mr. E wrote:...a lot of assumptions are being made,...no one has all of the clear details. For my part I'm going to stop speculating and just wait this out.

Johnny Bball · Post #331 » by **Johnny Bball** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:36 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244297/Rockets-Renounce-Rights-To-Donatas-Motiejunas

And after all this.... they let him walk. Like some of us said... just should have done it before screwing him out of the nets deal.

I blame Danny Ainge somehow.

EleveN · Post #332 » by **EleveN** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:40 am

So now he cant sign back with the Nets again. That is a terrible situation for him.

Curmudgeon · Post #333 » by **Curmudgeon** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:47 am

How bad is his back, really?

Laure · Post #334 » by **Laure** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:58 am

What a scum move by Morey. They perfectly knew Dmo's back status before free agency and way before the Nets tested him. Now basically they cockblocked DMo out of the only offer he received. I guess that's what you get when you try to challenge the system. If the Players Association is not on this, that would suprise me.

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Prokorov · Post #335 » by **Prokorov** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:00 am

FNQ wrote:
pr0wler wrote:
Raider_MXD wrote:There would have been a simpler method: don't match the contract in the first place

They matched the offer sheet as they wanted to keep him in a Rockets uniform otherwise they wouldn't have bothered with 5+ months of these shenanigans. But if he subsequently fails the physical, what do you expect the Rockets to do?

It's a glitch in RFA.. the Rockets shouldnt be allowed to officially match until the physical is complete. IE once you match, you are locked in, period. So that if the Nets still wanted DMo, bad back and all, they could still have him.

Either way, it seems like DMo is back as an RFA and the Rockets are out. They did officially release him into RFA, correct?

Exactly... with the way the current rule is, you can match any offer out of spite.... fail the player on your physical since thats all up to the team to decide, then renounce him and stick it to the player and team who signed him.

Also, just because something is within the rules doesnt mean you can still honor the contracts.

LoyalKing · Post #336 » by **LoyalKing** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:07 am

Laure wrote:What a scum move by Morey. They perfectly knew Dmo's back status before free agency and way before the Nets tested him. Now basically they cockblocked DMo out of the only offer he received. I guess that's what you get when you try to challenge the system. If the Players Association is not on this, that would suprise me.

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Exactly. HOU didn't even blink when they got the offer from the Pistons to trade him knowing very well his healthy status. I don't understand why they did not let him go in good terms to BK.

The truth is : D-Mo didn't want to stay in HOU anymore, rightfully. And Morey simply screwed him and his agent.

Post #337 » by **magnumt** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:13 am

Laure wrote:What a scum move by Morey. They perfectly knew Dmo's back status before free agency and way before the Nets tested him. Now basically they cockblocked DMo out of the only offer he received. I guess that's what you get when you try to challenge the system. If the Players Association is not on this, that would suprise me.

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Good luck getting Free Agents to sign there now Morey. :thumbsup:

If he was on hot water before, it might get worse in the coming offseason.

--Mags

MrBigShot · Post #338 » by **MrBigShot** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:14 am

He's not wrong, Morey does treat players like nothing but assets.

Post #339 » by **magnumt** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:18 am

MrBigShot wrote:He's not wrong, Morey does treat players like nothing but assets.

... And how exactly has it worked out for him?

He's an Executive at a Professional Sports Team worth Billion+. NOT a player at the controllers of an NBA2K game. :sigh:

--Mags

MrBigShot · Post #340 » by **MrBigShot** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:31 am

magnumt wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:He's not wrong, Morey does treat players like nothing but assets.

... And how exactly has it worked out for him?

He's an Executive at a Professional Sports Team worth Billion+. NOT a player at the controllers of an NBA2K game.

--Mags

What kind of logic is that, all of these executives/players/coaches in the NBA are successful and rich, so we shouldn't criticize them for anything? Sounds like you are insinuating that a GM should only treat his player as assets.

To that I have to say that players can and will remember and take note of things like this. The Celtics allowing Al horford to miss a game for the birth of his child is an textbook example of what an ideal organization should be, not one that views its players as nothing but numbers on a spreadsheet.

David Kahn was an executive for the wolves for quite a while. I suppose that makes him immune to criticism too following your logic.