Lonzo Watch- 29 points 9 assists 11 rebounds

[AdagioPace]

Hey OP, what happened to your' Lonzo watch'? Or will these posts only come in games where he plays Phoenix?

Here, I'll help you out: 5 points (2-7 shooting) 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 turnovers in a loss to the Raptors.

Overreacting to games that aren't so great don't make you any less annoying than people that hype him up too much. His numbers in that Suns game were very notable for a rookie, a bad rookie performance is not notable.

are you sure about that?
I can bet his averages will look "closer" to the bad games than to those great games,and bad games will have more frequency than the great ones
So technically people who will underline his deficiencies are more accurate than those who underline his strenghts.

[Pennebaker]

Hey, it took Kobe Bryant 6 1/2 seasons before he managed to put up at least 29 points, 11 rebounds and 9 assists in a game.

Lonzo did it in his 2nd game!

In fact, Kobe only reached at least those totals 6 times in his entire career (including playoffs)!

http://bkref.com/tiny/Kj7Pi

Yes, Lonzo will be up and down as a rookie, but he's already a better prospect than the rookie Kobe.

[TheGOATRises007]

Worse version of Rubio.

Or Rondo. They don't play like the same brand of b-ball but they are pass first PGs. WE will see in the next 2-3 years. Who knows.

Rondo was the best player on a title contender in 2010 and put up 40 points on a terrific Heat defense in the 2012 playoffs.

It's insulting to compare Lonzo to Rondo.

[BackseatBoss]

Hey, it took Kobe Bryant 6 1/2 seasons before he managed to put up at least 29 points, 11 rebounds and 9 assists in a game.

Lonzo did it in his 2nd game!

In fact, Kobe only reached at least those totals 6 times in his entire career (including playoffs)!

http://bkref.com/tiny/Kj7Pi

Yes, Lonzo will be up and down as a rookie, but he's already a better prospect than the rookie Kobe.

Yup, this guy gets it! Lonzo should get his number retired already.

[TankCommander17]

This game was an outlier against a team that literally gave up and played 0 defense prior to their coach getting fired. I said as much.

But of course some people got ahead of themselves. Lonzo is looking bad but it is early so who knows.

[Pennebaker]

Hey, it took Kobe Bryant 6 1/2 seasons before he managed to put up at least 29 points, 11 rebounds and 9 assists in a game.

Lonzo did it in his 2nd game!

In fact, Kobe only reached at least those totals 6 times in his entire career (including playoffs)!

http://bkref.com/tiny/Kj7Pi

Yes, Lonzo will be up and down as a rookie, but he's already a better prospect than the rookie Kobe.

Yup, this guy gets it!

Thanks.

[dballislife]

hes gotta work on his handles, his defense, and really work on his shot and scoring cause hes struggling from 3, with his jumper, and cant score at the rim, but at 20 hes already a great passer and gets rebounds

[Pennebaker]

This game was an outlier against a team that literally gave up and played 0 defense prior to their coach getting fired. I said as much.

But of course some people got ahead of themselves. Lonzo is looking bad but it is early so who knows.

Lonzo is basically still a pimply teenager averaging 10.2/8.6/8.4 in the NBA. I suppose your main gripe has to do with his scoring totals and shooting percentages and defense. That's fair. But both his shooting and his defense will improve with time. But he's still close to averaging a triple double in a massive market with intense hype and scrutiny which is still impressive no matter how you cut it.

[LakersSoul]

Whats up with all these haters?

Lozno is not the type now to average 29/9/11. We all know that but he will also not average 1-5 from long distance either. Wait until the first few months of the season before jumping on here ragging about a game when he goes 5/7/6. Lonzo still led the team in assists and 2nd in rebounds. Lonzo's shooting during game will get much better, trust Ball. He makes a ton of those in practice, per Walton. He made a ton in Chino Hills then in Westwood and its just matter of time when the averages get back into the equation and Ball start making a decent number of those 3s.

Lonzo will start connecting and his points will get back to 13 to 16 points per game. Thats is a fair assessment of his points for this first year. He will also average 7-8 rebounds per game and dish out 8-9 assists per game.

[LakersSoul]

Lonzo's 4 game passing compilation...

Watch on YouTube

[TankCommander17]

This game was an outlier against a team that literally gave up and played 0 defense prior to their coach getting fired. I said as much.

But of course some people got ahead of themselves. Lonzo is looking bad but it is early so who knows.

Lonzo is basically still a pimply teenager averaging 10.2/8.6/8.4 in the NBA. I suppose your main gripe has to do with his scoring totals and shooting percentages and defense. That's fair. But both his shooting and his defense will improve with time. But he's still close to averaging a triple double in a massive market with intense hype and scrutiny which is still impressive no matter how you cut it.

What are his numbers without the Phoenix game. That is what I want to know. Hold up I will do the math real quick.
5.5ppg/8rbs/8.25asts/3tos
22%/12%/57% 2p/3p/FT
That is what he is averaging if you don't include the Phoenix game.
Put that together with his lack of defense. His inability to get his shot off cleanly and to drive due to his lack of athleticism and it is not a pretty picture.

[Tukkerwolf]

This game was an outlier against a team that literally gave up and played 0 defense prior to their coach getting fired. I said as much.

But of course some people got ahead of themselves. Lonzo is looking bad but it is early so who knows.

Lonzo is basically still a pimply teenager averaging 10.2/8.6/8.4 in the NBA. I suppose your main gripe has to do with his scoring totals and shooting percentages and defense. That's fair. But both his shooting and his defense will improve with time. But he's still close to averaging a triple double in a massive market with intense hype and scrutiny which is still impressive no matter how you cut it.

You know we Wolves fans thought Rubios shooting could improve as well. Not to say Lonzos won't, but not many horrible shooters become good. And don't bring up Kidd because that n=1 case was used for Rubio as well. Rubio knows his scoring is horrible, which at the moment is better than jacking up threes for months without any success.

[ravinaziankid]

Hey, it took Kobe Bryant 6 1/2 seasons before he managed to put up at least 29 points, 11 rebounds and 9 assists in a game.

Lonzo did it in his 2nd game!

In fact, Kobe only reached at least those totals 6 times in his entire career (including playoffs)!

http://bkref.com/tiny/Kj7Pi

Yes, Lonzo will be up and down as a rookie, but he's already a better prospect than the rookie Kobe.

Yup, this guy gets it! Lonzo should get his number retired already.

Haha, they should also just kick down kobes door and give lonzo all his championship rings as well..

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[Pennebaker]

This game was an outlier against a team that literally gave up and played 0 defense prior to their coach getting fired. I said as much.

But of course some people got ahead of themselves. Lonzo is looking bad but it is early so who knows.

Lonzo is basically still a pimply teenager averaging 10.2/8.6/8.4 in the NBA. I suppose your main gripe has to do with his scoring totals and shooting percentages and defense. That's fair. But both his shooting and his defense will improve with time. But he's still close to averaging a triple double in a massive market with intense hype and scrutiny which is still impressive no matter how you cut it.

What are his numbers without the Phoenix game. That is what I want to know. Hold up I will do the math real quick.
5.5ppg/8rbs/8.25asts/3tos
22%/12%/57% 2p/3p/FT
That is what he is averaging if you don't include the Phoenix game.
Put that together with his lack of defense. His inability to get his shot off cleanly and to drive due to his lack of athleticism and it is not a pretty picture.

So you want to see his averages without his best games? That makes sense to you?

Besides even if he averaged 1ppg/8reb/8ast THAT'S STILL GOOD.

[Tukkerwolf]

Lonzo is basically still a pimply teenager averaging 10.2/8.6/8.4 in the NBA. I suppose your main gripe has to do with his scoring totals and shooting percentages and defense. That's fair. But both his shooting and his defense will improve with time. But he's still close to averaging a triple double in a massive market with intense hype and scrutiny which is still impressive no matter how you cut it.

What are his numbers without the Phoenix game. That is what I want to know. Hold up I will do the math real quick.
5.5ppg/8rbs/8.25asts/3tos
22%/12%/57% 2p/3p/FT
That is what he is averaging if you don't include the Phoenix game.
Put that together with his lack of defense. His inability to get his shot off cleanly and to drive due to his lack of athleticism and it is not a pretty picture.

So you want to see his averages without his best games? That makes sense to you?

Besides even if he averaged 1ppg/8reb/8ast THAT'S STILL GOOD.

It's not when your wasting possessions by shooting horrible.

[Pennebaker]

Hey, it took Kobe Bryant 6 1/2 seasons before he managed to put up at least 29 points, 11 rebounds and 9 assists in a game.

Lonzo did it in his 2nd game!

In fact, Kobe only reached at least those totals 6 times in his entire career (including playoffs)!

http://bkref.com/tiny/Kj7Pi

Yes, Lonzo will be up and down as a rookie, but he's already a better prospect than the rookie Kobe.

Yup, this guy gets it! Lonzo should get his number retired already.

Haha, they should also just kick down kobes door and give lonzo all his championship rings as well..

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Sorry to burst your bubble but Shaq and PJ wouldve both preferred a young Lonzo to a young Kobe. And they would've all probably won more rings together in the end. The last thing a team centered around Shaquille O'Neal needed was a ball hog. That's why Magic worked so well with Kareem. Kareem would not have tolerated young Kobe for even a month.

The story changes with older Kobe because older Kobe was a more generous teammate, but younger Kobe was not.

[TankCommander17]

Lonzo is basically still a pimply teenager averaging 10.2/8.6/8.4 in the NBA. I suppose your main gripe has to do with his scoring totals and shooting percentages and defense. That's fair. But both his shooting and his defense will improve with time. But he's still close to averaging a triple double in a massive market with intense hype and scrutiny which is still impressive no matter how you cut it.

What are his numbers without the Phoenix game. That is what I want to know. Hold up I will do the math real quick.
5.5ppg/8rbs/8.25asts/3tos
22%/12%/57% 2p/3p/FT
That is what he is averaging if you don't include the Phoenix game.
Put that together with his lack of defense. His inability to get his shot off cleanly and to drive due to his lack of athleticism and it is not a pretty picture.

So you want to see his averages without his best games? That makes sense to you?

Besides even if he averaged 1ppg/8reb/8ast THAT'S STILL GOOD.

His best game was an anomaly due to a team that had given up on their coach and was giving up 40pts blowout losses. It wasn't a true indication of what he could do in the league against teams that actually played defense. Does that make more sense to you now?

[BackseatBoss]

Yup, this guy gets it! Lonzo should get his number retired already.

Haha, they should also just kick down kobes door and give lonzo all his championship rings as well..

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Sorry to burst your bubble but Shaq and PJ wouldve both preferred a young Lonzo to a young Kobe. And they would've all probably won more rings together in the end. The last thing a team centered around Shaquille O'Neal needed was a ball hog. That's why Magic worked so well with Kareem. Kareem would not have tolerated young Kobe for even a month.

The story changes with older Kobe because older Kobe was a more generous teammate, but younger Kobe was not.

Older Kobe was a generous teammate? What does that even mean?

[Pennebaker]

What are his numbers without the Phoenix game. That is what I want to know. Hold up I will do the math real quick.
5.5ppg/8rbs/8.25asts/3tos
22%/12%/57% 2p/3p/FT
That is what he is averaging if you don't include the Phoenix game.
Put that together with his lack of defense. His inability to get his shot off cleanly and to drive due to his lack of athleticism and it is not a pretty picture.

So you want to see his averages without his best games? That makes sense to you?

Besides even if he averaged 1ppg/8reb/8ast THAT'S STILL GOOD.

His best game was an anomaly due to a team that had given up on their coach and was giving up 40pts blowout losses. It wasn't a true indication of what he could do in the league against teams that actually played defense. Does that make more sense to you now?

You know what that's called? Wishful thinking.

If it should be so easy for a teenaged PG to put up a 29/11/9 game on these quitting Suns, then why hasn't anyone else done it this year versus Phoenix? Blake Griffin went 29/8/4, Lillard went 27/5/5, Patrick Beverly went 15/2/2, Rubio 15/11/4.

Eric Bledsoe is known as one of the better defensive point guards in the league. He's also subjectively a top 10-12 PG overall. And he also scored 28 points in this game (which was close), so it's not like he was moping around. And he certainly didn't want to be upstaged by Lonzo Ball, but he was.

Watch the tape and you'll see Bledsoe busting his butt trying to defend Lonzo. You'll also see Bledsoe repeatedly go underneath screens, which Ball counters by nailing threes. In the 2nd half you'll start seeing Bledsoe going over screens (they cared enough to make halftime adjustments), which Ball counters by driving and scoring off the dribble.

So basically one of the best defensive point guards was starting to get embarrassed early on in this contest.

The reality is that it's hard for any star to come up with 29/11/9 against anybody, and to do it in your 2nd game after being publicly challenged after your first game? That's special behavior. It's an indication of a player's ability to respond positively to criticism in an overpowering way - a trait shared by most greats players. It is not an anomaly.

Just queue up the touch pass Lonzo had to Nance The Younger in the PHX game. Watch the driving Ball to Brewer assist. You should be on the bandwagon after watching just 10 or 12 plays.

[XTraderXL]

His averages are not that bad except for his shooting %. The problem is that he was supposed to make his teammates better but with him on the floor, the team plays horribly. He is at -39 while on the floor in the first 5 games. That is a terrible stat. He is not making anyone better, cant score, plays terrible defense (not even trying) and is a minus for the team while on the floor. He can pass but thats pretty much all he can do well. His rebound numbers are inflated and will come down pretty soon. All in all not the start most fans expected and far from what Magic was saying and hoping for.