ECSF: P1 | (1) Toronto Raptors vs Cleveland Cavaliers (4) | TIED 0-0

[Kobeshow]

Cleveland would beat everyone but GSW and maybe Toronto, Houston, and Philly.

Have you actually watched the Cavs play this year???

I have, and they are still alive. LeBron is beating any team that doesn't have an overwhelming talent advantage himself more often than not. Those 4 teams I listed have enough talent to beat him in 7. Everyone else doesn't. Notice how he wins almost all his playoff series for like a decade? That was not a coincidence.

You are talking about LeBron that had BY FAR the best team in the Eastern Conference from 2011 to 2017... I don't think that's the case this year. Maybe the Cavs win the East or maybe not, but for the first time in years it's not automatic....

[GIMME_DATT]

Cavs would beat every team besides warriors and rockets but keep pushing that narrative

Are you kidding me?

They barely won Game 7 at home against the freakin' Pacers....

Pacers could win any series out west against any non gsw Houston team. The West 3-8 is pretty overrated

[Asif16]

Cavs in 6. DD and Lowry have to prove me otherwise. Raps bench also didnt show up on the road except gm 6.

Have a feeling TT will be a factor on boards against Raps team who have weakness in defensive rebounding.

Take a wild guess as to why. Hint: Look at who came back

Beiber?

Atleast you tried

[slothrop8]

Have you actually watched the Cavs play this year???

I have, and they are still alive. LeBron is beating any team that doesn't have an overwhelming talent advantage himself more often than not. Those 4 teams I listed have enough talent to beat him in 7. Everyone else doesn't. Notice how he wins almost all his playoff series for like a decade? That was not a coincidence.

You are talking about LeBron that had BY FAR the best team in the Eastern Conference from 2011 to 2017... I don't think that's the case this year. Maybe the Cavs win the East or maybe not, but for the first time in years it's not automatic....

He never had the best team. You take the #1 guy off every team game, and Cleveland is terrible. No Lowry Toronto demolishes no LeBron Cleveland. Same for many East teams not just last year but all years. Sans LeBron Cleveland being shaky is not new.

[Kobeshow]

He never had the best team. You take the #1 guy off every team game, and Cleveland is terrible. No Lowry Toronto demolishes no LeBron Cleveland. Same for many East teams not just last year but all years. Sans LeBron Cleveland being shaky is not new.

I'm sure you are joking, right?

So the Miami Heat with Wade, Bosh and company weren't by FAR the best team in the East???

And the Cavs with Kyrie Irving and Love as a third option???

I just can't believe what I read....

[BHF]

I dont trust the refs or flopping Lebron, i have the cavs at 6 sadly.

[slothrop8]

He never had the best team. You take the #1 guy off every team game, and Cleveland is terrible. No Lowry Toronto demolishes no LeBron Cleveland. Same for many East teams not just last year but all years. Sans LeBron Cleveland being shaky is not new.

I'm sure you are joking, right?

So the Miami Heat with Wade, Bosh and company weren't by FAR the best team in the East???

And the Cavs with Kyrie Irving and Love as a third option???

I just can't believe what I read....

No. None of those teams were good enough without him. The Cavs especially are terrible without him.

[RaptorsLife]

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[Warchant]

He never had the best team. You take the #1 guy off every team game, and Cleveland is terrible. No Lowry Toronto demolishes no LeBron Cleveland. Same for many East teams not just last year but all years. Sans LeBron Cleveland being shaky is not new.

I'm sure you are joking, right?

So the Miami Heat with Wade, Bosh and company weren't by FAR the best team in the East???

And the Cavs with Kyrie Irving and Love as a third option???

I just can't believe what I read....

No. None of those teams were good enough without him. The Cavs especially are terrible without him.

Doesnt that tell you that the system they run w LB is only built for him? Kyrie and Love are better than DD and Lowry

[Warchant]

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Whats the series odds?

[RaptorsLife]

The 2015 series against wizards was bigger embarssment than any series against cavs.

For derozan and Lowry to get over hurdle and beat beal and wall. That's huge.

I don't think they fear LeBron at all. But it seem like that cus thats only series people watched from raptors in playoffs

Derozan and Lowry struggled against everyone in playoffs until this year

[RaptorsLife]

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Whats the series odds?

Raptors -220
Cavs +180

[Joey Wheeler]

Lebron will steal homecourt in game 1 and go on to win in 5 or 6. No sweep this time around.

[slothrop8]

I'm sure you are joking, right?

So the Miami Heat with Wade, Bosh and company weren't by FAR the best team in the East???

And the Cavs with Kyrie Irving and Love as a third option???

I just can't believe what I read....

No. None of those teams were good enough without him. The Cavs especially are terrible without him.

Doesnt that tell you that the system they run w LB is only built for him? Kyrie and Love are better than DD and Lowry

Toss up - Lowry at his best is the probably the best overall of the 4 - and Toronto has been way better 4 to 11. Cleveland is top heavy, Toronto is pretty balanced, and has been the whole LeBron second run. Toronto's supporting cast 4-11 has been way better than Cleveland's the whole time. LeBron just puts an enormous thumb on the scale and wins it for Cleveland.

[bb22]

Raps need to stay undefeated at home to win the series

IMO Raps need to sweep or win 4-1... if the series goes back to Cleveland for game 6, a game 7 is almost guaranteed, and no raps fans want that.

[SK21209]

Genuinely amazed at some of the takes I'm seeing in this thread. THE CAVS ARE NOT A GOOD BASKETBALL TEAM. They haven't been the entire year and they aren't now. They needed a god-mode series from LeBron to beat a fairly mediocre Pacer team in 7. Toronto really should win this in 6.

[Froob]

Thinking Cavs in six....their defense actually looked really good vs Indy and Raps don’t have the defense the Pacers do. Granted Cavs don’t have Kyrie anymore who used to torch the Raps. It’s now or never for Toronto. If they can really bring it defensively, they should be able to do it.

[Knicks2DaHouse]

Toronto in 7 if they are real

[JaysRule15]

The Craptors are going to get destroyed. What are they going to do, put some scrub rookie on LeBron? Lol Toronto is dead

[Warchant]

Thinking Cavs in six....their defense actually looked really good vs Indy and Raps don’t have the defense the Pacers do. Granted Cavs don’t have Kyrie anymore who used to torch the Raps. It’s now or never for Toronto. If they can really bring it defensively, they should be able to do it.

You think thats called defense? Trap the best player in PnR and hope others miss...hence Bog big game