2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2)

XTraderXL · Post #321 » by **XTraderXL** » Thu Dec 6, 2018 9:17 pm

peja_the_legend wrote:NBA has invented the "gather" to legalise moves that if someone pulled on playgrounds everyone would laugh at him

What Doncic does is legal according to modern NBA rules.At the same time he takes 4 steps without dribbling.

Oh yeah? So why was he never called for a travel in the EL, ACB or Eurobasket? I guess refs in Europe dont know the rules...

Post #322 » by **KingDavid** » Thu Dec 6, 2018 11:21 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:
KingDavid wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:

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That stepback is flat out lethal!

This is how he reminds me of harden. I'm willing to bet next year he starts doing that annoying step back Harden loves catching people with. I like how he initiates post ups the moment he gets a mismatch.

I need some Larry bird clips, if you can provide? I don't see the correlation.

Watch on YouTube

The NBA really came through with this one. It's excellent.

...

Holy ****. What a monster.

Nah. Luka has some flashes of that, but no way. That would be amazing.

Post #323 » by **KingDavid** » Thu Dec 6, 2018 11:24 pm

peja_the_legend wrote:NBA has invented the "gather" to legalise moves that if someone pulled on playgrounds everyone would laugh at him

What Doncic does is legal according to modern NBA rules.At the same time he takes 4 steps without dribbling.

Let me introduce you to a man named James Harden...

Post #324 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Dec 6, 2018 11:56 pm

KingDavid wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:
KingDavid wrote:This is how he reminds me of harden. I'm willing to bet next year he starts doing that annoying step back Harden loves catching people with. I like how he initiates post ups the moment he gets a mismatch.

I need some Larry bird clips, if you can provide? I don't see the correlation.

Watch on YouTube

The NBA really came through with this one. It's excellent.

...

Holy ****. What a monster.

Nah. Luka has some flashes of that, but no way. That would be amazing.

Yes my dude - every time you see somebody say "Larry Bird was not athletic" on these forums you can chalk it up as somebody that doesn't know what the **** they're talking about.

Post #325 » by **KingDavid** » Fri Dec 7, 2018 12:12 am

Capn'O wrote:
KingDavid wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:

Watch on YouTube

The NBA really came through with this one. It's excellent.

...

Holy ****. What a monster.

Nah. Luka has some flashes of that, but no way. That would be amazing.

Yes my dude - every time you see somebody say "Larry Bird was not athletic" on these forums you can chalk it up as somebody that doesn't know what the **** they're talking about.

Athleticism isn't the phrase that sticks out when I watched that clip. But while his game was based on some freaky skill, he still had a very, very brutal first step from what I saw in this video. But you didn't know wtf he was going to do after that. That's why people would slip and fall on his step back. Damn.

If that's what Doncic develops into, then congratulations to the Mavericks on your future championships.

Post #326 » by **Marcus** » Fri Dec 7, 2018 12:24 am

Capn'O wrote:
KingDavid wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:

Watch on YouTube

The NBA really came through with this one. It's excellent.

...

Holy ****. What a monster.

Nah. Luka has some flashes of that, but no way. That would be amazing.

Yes my dude - every time you see somebody say "Larry Bird was not athletic" on these forums you can chalk it up as somebody that doesn't know what the **** they're talking about.

yeah i had to put a co-worker on and let him know Larry wasn't the non-athlete he thought he was. Bird was a beast and would put numbers up today if he were playing.

Crizzle · Post #327 » by **Crizzle** » Fri Dec 7, 2018 3:14 pm

don't know why it took me so long to see that collision crossover on ayton, but wow. We sure there wasn't a banana peel on the court?

Post #328 » by **Duke4life831** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 3:10 am

I know he doesn't get much talk on here. But Bagley is damn good on the offensive end and you can tell that he isn't even scratching the surface yet offensively. Really the only question about him is can he become solid defensively. He's looked like a rookie defensively, but I don't think he's looked nearly as bad as many thought. Also his shot blocking is better than expected.

But ya offensively that dude is going to be special.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #329 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 3:31 am

Ayton really has a lot of bad signs going, I know the stat nerds will come in and talk about his FICO score but just watching him is a different story from his CIA, FBI and IOU.

No motor and bad defensive awareness, he's gonna need to shake those bad habits.

UcanUwill · Post #330 » by **UcanUwill** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 7:20 am

Ringer guys mainly Kevin O'Connor went after DeAndre Ayton a bit in their latest podcast, saying how he plays with losers mentality.

Bob8 · Post #331 » by **Bob8** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 7:40 am

It’s interesting how almost all rookies kinda slowed down. It’s really hard for them to have 3-4 good games per week. They will be all toasted in January.

clyde21 · Post #332 » by **clyde21** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 8:25 am

Marcus wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
KingDavid wrote:...

Holy ****. What a monster.

Nah. Luka has some flashes of that, but no way. That would be amazing.

Yes my dude - every time you see somebody say "Larry Bird was not athletic" on these forums you can chalk it up as somebody that doesn't know what the **** they're talking about.

yeah i had to put a co-worker on and let him know Larry wasn't the non-athlete he thought he was. Bird was a beast and would put numbers up today if he were playing.

Larry Bird is one of the guys from back in the day that would legitimately be even better today. Imagine him in this era of pace and space.

kane0801 · Post #333 » by **kane0801** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 8:32 am

JJJ really need to learn how to control his foul issue

DirtybirdGA · Post #334 » by **DirtybirdGA** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 11:04 am

It's all in for Sexton now.

Bob8 · Post #335 » by **Bob8** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 11:38 am

DirtybirdGA wrote:It's all in for Sexton now.

It looks to me that he’s all in the whole season, Trae too.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/12

nolang1 · Post #336 » by **nolang1** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 11:57 am

Bob8 wrote:It’s interesting how almost all rookies kinda slowed down. It’s really hard for them to have 3-4 good games per week. They will be all toasted in January.

That's okay, you can just post about your favorite rookies when they do have a good game and let the confirmation bias shine through. If you already think JJJ is by far the best big in the draft and it's settled, no need to bring up nights like tonight when he had 3 points and 4 fouls in 15 minutes and the other players on his team are still good enough to beat the Pelicans despite that. Actually it probably even helps in a way because when he has a good game you can point to his per-minute numbers and say he should be getting even more minutes/touches while disregarding that when he doesn't play much it's because he's on pace to foul out in like 20 minutes.

Post #337 » by **Duke4life831** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 1:28 pm

Bagley over his last 7 games since they gave him a boost in minutes (from about 20 to 28 minutes)

16.5/8.5 with an assist and a block on 58% shooting in just 28 minutes.

He is also not putting up empty stats on a crappy team either. As everyone knows Sac has actually been playing good basketball and winning. I think he is being somewhat slept on at the moment.

Post #338 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 2:08 pm

Read on Twitter

IllmaticHandler · Post #339 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 2:23 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Bagley over his last 7 games since they gave him a boost in minutes (from about 20 to 28 minutes)

16.5/8.5 with an assist and a block on 58% shooting in just 28 minutes.

He is also not putting up empty stats on a crappy team either. As everyone knows Sac has actually been playing good basketball and winning. I think he is being somewhat slept on at the moment.

He is trending heavy right now. He is more consistent with his production than given credit for sure. His motor is ALWAYS on. That what makes him so deadly. He is raw but productive, when that skill starts to catch up forget about it. That effort is why I always liked him over Ayton. Ayton is just way to lethargic for a bigman for me even those his offense is more refined that Bagley right now.

Post #340 » by **Duke4life831** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 2:36 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Bagley over his last 7 games since they gave him a boost in minutes (from about 20 to 28 minutes)

16.5/8.5 with an assist and a block on 58% shooting in just 28 minutes.

He is also not putting up empty stats on a crappy team either. As everyone knows Sac has actually been playing good basketball and winning. I think he is being somewhat slept on at the moment.

He is trending heavy right now. He is more consistent with his production than given credit for sure. His motor is ALWAYS on. That what makes him so deadly. He is raw but productive, when that skill starts to catch up forget about it. That effort is why I always liked him over Ayton. Ayton is just way to lethargic for a bigman for me even those his offense is more refined that Bagley right now.

I think the return of Bogdan has been huge for Bagley. Bogdan has tremendous vision and he finds Bagley when Bagley cuts. The issue I saw a lot before was before Bogdan returned Bagley was coming off the bench and a lot of the time not playing with Fox. When Fox went to the bench, Sac really didn't have someone who was finding Bagley on his cuts and making smart dump offs to him. Now Bagley is either playing with Bogdan or Fox and I think that is a big reason his game is a lot more consistent.

He is also getting 2 go too moves down that he can create for himself. On the right side of the hoop he has his spin to left hand hook. Then on the other side he drives hard to his right, but instead of forcing an ugly left handed hook which was easily blocked and contested. He now is adding a nice little hop back fadeaway which is very hard to contend.

Two basic moves, but nice having a go to shot he can go to on either side of the floor that he can create for himself. And of course all the buckets he gets from his cutting and high motor.

Who do you think are the best two rookies?