TMZ: "DeMarcus Cousins Allegedly Threatening to Shoot Baby Mama Before Wedding"

[freethedevil]

I mean this is obvious but what difference does it make? Not defending Cousins but not being his time isn't a good excuse from keeping a kid from their parent's wedding. At all. Actually it would make you a completely **** narcissist to do that.

The kid not wanting to go to the wedding is a perfectly fair reason not to make him go. This is why you don't make baseless assumptions

I wouldn't say it is. I didn't like doing a bunch of things my parents made me do as a kid.

You seem to think the kid owes his father ****. And that's where you're wrong. It could be his funeral, if the kid doesn't want to go, then he doesn't have to. You want your kids to attend your ****? Make them want to or live with the consequences.

[clyde21]

We have good reasons right now to believe that she did not provide a copy of the video to TMZ just based on how the situation has developed and based on everything that has been made public about the legal steps taken. This is a far cry from the "context" you repeatedly refered to early in the thread. Contrary to what you said, she went to the police first. Further contrary to what you said, we have good reasons to think that TMZ obtained all of this from a public source.

That said, it's not at all surprising that TMZ would constantly check court files across the country for the names of famous athletes and other people. It's not a secret that Cousins had a family proceeding and this type of click bait is the lifeblood of their entire business. Reputable news organizations send reporters to court all the time to check and see what was filed etc. It would not be a shock that a tabloid rag does the same.

One correction: while it's entirely possible there may be a court website accessible to the public where you can find the recording (I understand the US is modern) the system I am familiar with would require someone to physically go to the courtroom and get a copy of the physical file, which would have a physical disk or USB with the recording to copy.

But as I said it would be public record as to what court Cousins' family proceeding would be located and I expect TMZ would have people periodically check that courtroom's registry.

wrong. we have more reason to believe that this was leaked by her than TMZ getting this from the court room, which, again, would have been nearly impossible for them to do if this video was being treated as evidence by said judge/court room.

so yea, we don't actually know how they got the video, but if I had to guess, is that she leaked the video to them (i also find it odd that TMZ said they obtained the docs, but specifically did NOT mention the video, from the court).

Ah, so now we're back to alternative facts about how courts work. I refer you to my posts above correcting the inaccuracies in your post about typical courtroom process. If you have an actual link to Alabama's Court rules, practice directions, etc., I'd be glad to have a look.

Otherwise, we've got an alternative facts story that you invented to defend a man who you believe threatened to shoot his ex wife in the head. To whit, we've already completely discredited your theory about not going to the police first and we're well on the way to doing the same with the sale to TMZ.

As I said from the start: fascinating that this is the route you'll go. Also fascinating that despite your low tolerance for threats against women you've not answered my post about how cousins should be punished. Let simplify:

1. Criminal sanction.
2. Restraining order.
3. Supervised visitation.
4. Banned from NBA.
5. Sanction by NBA (suspension).
6. Sanctioned by NBA (fine).
7. ________ (fill in the blank).
8. Nothing.

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say you pick 8.

You're the one that doesn't understand that if the video is being treated as evidence the court will NOT just hand it over to TMZ...so the most logical choices are 1) that she leaked the video to TMZ or 2) if TMZ got it from the courts, then it his not being used as evidence in this case.

and I missed your question about how Cousins should be punished...i think a restraining order is perfectly reasonable and 10-20 game suspension from the NBA.

i think he should still continue seeing his boy accordingly without issue until it is proven that he's liability around his kid, which doesn't seem to be the case on any level at this point.

[freethedevil]

Baseless fan fiction

Stop reaching fam.

[XxIronChainzxX]

wrong. we have more reason to believe that this was leaked by her than TMZ getting this from the court room, which, again, would have been nearly impossible for them to do if this video was being treated as evidence by said judge/court room.

so yea, we don't actually know how they got the video, but if I had to guess, is that she leaked the video to them (i also find it odd that TMZ said they obtained the docs, but specifically did NOT mention the video, from the court).

Ah, so now we're back to alternative facts about how courts work. I refer you to my posts above correcting the inaccuracies in your post about typical courtroom process. If you have an actual link to Alabama's Court rules, practice directions, etc., I'd be glad to have a look.

Otherwise, we've got an alternative facts story that you invented to defend a man who you believe threatened to shoot his ex wife in the head. To whit, we've already completely discredited your theory about not going to the police first and we're well on the way to doing the same with the sale to TMZ.

As I said from the start: fascinating that this is the route you'll go. Also fascinating that despite your low tolerance for threats against women you've not answered my post about how cousins should be punished. Let simplify:

1. Criminal sanction.
2. Restraining order.
3. Supervised visitation.
4. Banned from NBA.
5. Sanction by NBA (suspension).
6. Sanctioned by NBA (fine).
7. ________ (fill in the blank).
8. Nothing.

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say you pick 8.

You're the one that doesn't understand that if the video is being treated as evidence the court will NOT just hand it over to TMZ...so the most logical choices are 1) that she leaked the video to TMZ or 2) if TMZ got it from the courts, then it his not being used as evidence in this case.

and I missed your question about how Cousins should be punished...i think a restraining order is perfectly reasonable and 10-20 game suspension from the NBA.

i think he should still continue seeing his boy accordingly without issue until it is proven that he's liability around his kid, which doesn't seem to be the case on any level at this point.

[Citations needed].

I've explained repeatedly that this is now how a court record works. The court file is fully and completely accessible unless it is sealed.

[MrDollarBills]

Clyde has some serious anger issues against women. Yikes

Yep. That's why he's defending that piece of ****. He never answered the question of would he like it if his father threatened his mother like that, or some man threatening a female relative of his either. It's telling. And then calls everyone white knights because we're rightfully calling Boogie a piece of crap instead of going on vile rants about how his baby mother is a gold digging whore.

[SkyHook]

they didn't get a transcript, they got the actual recording. if that recording was submitted to the police and filed as EVIDENCE, they would not just send it to TMZ unless this is actually not being investigated in that capacity.

I can't speak to Alabama court rooms, but as I said in the post you're quoting, the recording normally would be part of the family court proceedings where the ex-wife is seeking to the restrictions on visitation. You're confusing the potential criminal investigation by the police (that might not go anywhere) with the family / civil proceeding that the ex wife has started / is continuing. The TMZ article is not completely clear on this point.

The police report themselves would (again in our jurisdiction here up North to the best of my knowledge) be provided to the complainant and she is able to use it as evidence in her family court proceedings.

So, as I said at the start, let's cool it with the alternative facts to slander this woman. I am not saying it impossible that she sold it to TMZ but there's no evidence to suggest that she did.

It would be at the discretion of the family court judge to admit such a thing. Which is really hard to do. They’d have to validate the authenticity and furthermore navigate the federal law that it is illegal to record a person in person or by phone without their knowledge. This, my knowledge of petty baby mamas and the fact the TMZ got their hands on it tells me baby mama leaked this for cash.

It is my understanding that this is incorrect. Many states have single party consent laws which means if you are party to a conversation it may be recorded with your consent whether or not the other parties are informed or have given consent. I live in one and to my knowledge Alabama, where the woman lives, is one of those states. I know of no federal law regulating this.

[druggas]

no, I mean i'm not absolving Cousins. he shouldn't have said that. pointblank. but context matters. just like how in murder trials context matters. it's the difference between murder and manslaughter. get it?

Provocation doesn't turn murder into manslaughter. The bitch had it coming - as it turns out - is not a recognized defence. This is why I am harping on this point.

The reasons a defence lawyer brings up context is, actually, to absolve the accused of some of the blame attaching to his or her conduct. You're taking the position of the defence lawyer, standing up for Cousin's conduct. You're doing it because you don't actually think it's that blameworthy (unless like an advocate he's actually laying you).

Lost in all of this - as I've said - is that you've rushed so quickly to defend Cousins that you've seemingly gotten all this context wrong: the ex reported it to the police and didn't sell it to TMZ (according to TMZ itself).

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of course I'm defending Cousins, and it's not lost in this at all, that's been the primary conversation in this thread actually. just like I have low tolerance for threatening women, I also have low tolerance for hood rats that continuously leverage their children/pregnancies to put pro athletes in bad situations.

and this is not 'bitch had it coming argument'...it's providing context in that Cousins, who's a volatile character, was clearly baited into this, and this woman's intentions have been made clear by the fact that she immediately went to TMZ and sold the recording (and yes, she did sell it, they HAVE to say she didn't).... to pretend that context doesn't matter here is ridiculous. of course it does.

and please get the **** off your high horse, your posts are a drag to read.

Look who's using racist overtones.

[MrDollarBills]

given that I was raised by 3 women myself, i don't think that's true.

but do tell us more.

It's pretty obvious you didn't have a strong male role model in your life.

Maybe you just needed a good dad, maybe somebody like Demarcus Cousins, to show you the ropes in how to make veiled threats, chose the right size for clothes, how to extend threads online, et al.

i didn't have a male role model actually, like I said, I was raised by mother, aunt and grandmother.

Would you be alright with a man threatening to shoot any of those women in their heads? Or does the context of how the women pissed the man off matter?

[clyde21]

Clyde has some serious anger issues against women. Yikes

Yep. That's why he's defending that piece of ****. He never answered the question of would he like it if his father threatened his mother like that, or some man threatening a female relative of his either. It's telling. And then calls everyone white knights because we're rightfully calling Boogie a piece of crap instead of going on vile rants about how his baby mother is a gold digging whore.

except I don't think Boogie is a 'piece of crap'...again, from everything I know about him and from people that know him and have been around him and from his own dealings in his community work and how he is with his family, he's generally a good guy, despite being hot tempered. sorry I don't let single incidents define a man to me.

I know, crazy. let's all grab the pitchforks instead and scream about his he should be BaNnEd from the league.

[otwok]

Don't know much about the law, but if Cousins and his baby mama were in California, isn't it illegal to record without two part consent?

[clyde21]

It's pretty obvious you didn't have a strong male role model in your life.

Maybe you just needed a good dad, maybe somebody like Demarcus Cousins, to show you the ropes in how to make veiled threats, chose the right size for clothes, how to extend threads online, et al.

i didn't have a male role model actually, like I said, I was raised by mother, aunt and grandmother.

Would you be alright with a man threatening to shoot any of those women in their heads? Or does the context of how the women pissed the man off matter?

when the **** did I say any of this okay?

please cite the exact quote.

[Nate505]

The funny thing is of someone here wished Cousins had a career ending injury my guess is they would get suspended from the board and there would be universal condemnation of it.

Cousins threatens to kill someone and it's like "she's a gold digging hoe!"

[mademan]

There are no good guys here. Just a kid caught between azzhole parents.

[MrDollarBills]

Hey clyde, how do you 'bait' someone into threatening to shoot you in the head?

[TheNewEra]

I'm not defending her keeping her son from going to his wedding, but none of that remotely makes it okay for him to threaten to kill her. What the hell? How can you "both sides" a domestic violence issue?

Some of yall act like this is normal behavior or something to just shrug off. It's not. When people make threats like that they have to be taken 100% seriously, which is why I'm glad the police are involved now. Cousins is **** ed in his head.

It’s a bad look but let’s not act like he’s not human he’s going through some **** and the one bright spot as of late was his wedding. It was a threat not a act of violence and she has every right to report it if she feels but let’s not act like he has not always shown signs of being emotionally out of it

Let’s keep it real everyone here has threatened harm on someone when at your breaking point of anger. Take into account everything he’s been going through and now feel like his baby mother is playing games with his son I’m not going to internet destroy the guy for being emotional.

DEMARCUS COUSINS was wrong but why is mental health never given as a example for outbursts like this here? Cousins should of never have made the threat but to act like people can’t push your buttons when you are going through it to make you same something you wouldn’t say is being fake.

First of all, there are multiple posts in here stating that Cousins needs to get some help because he's clearly not well.

But mental health and anger are not an excuse for threatening to not only shoot a woman in her head, but allegedly also threatening to hire someone to do it. It is not an excuse, I'm tired of people using mental health as an excuse for when dudes behave in a toxic manner and start making threats or actually kill people. Millions of people live w/ mental health issues every day and the last thing they want to do is go out and threaten to kill people. He doesn't get a pass here, he's an adult who knows damn well what he was doing.

That’s my issue with mental health discussions it seems like certain people are told to just toughen up while others get understanding and sympathy for mistakes. He’s going through it at all levels right now why not just do the right thing and let him have his son at the wedding? From him saying in the video “I’ll ask you again” this seems like this conversation wasn’t something random and he has been pushing for it.

He lashed out in anger and the video was cut right after and I say again who hasn’t made a threat to someone after being pushed to your personal limits? She has every right to take it to court or whatever but people are acting high and mighty like they never said anything extreme fighting for a loved one. He was wrong and she was petty and hopefully this all gets settled peacefully as possible.

Find it strange in all this even after the threat from the TMZ report she wants a restraining order but still open to supervised visitation

[jamesd]

hence the *sounds like* in the beginning of my post.

It doesn't sound like ****. You have no knowledge of the situation so you'rein no position to be making assumptions. Misogyny aside.

you're right, we don't know anything really, but we do know:

1. Cousins wanted his boy at his wedding

2. She withheld the kid from seeing his dad and from Cousins seeing his kid

3. Cousins got pissed and said something he shouldn't have said

i can make a pretty good inference based on this information and what I already know about Cousins following his career for almost a decade, thanks.

misogyny aside of course.

3: Threatened to murder her. Saying something he shouldn't have said is calling her a C**** or fat or something. The fact that you downplay this is straight up clown ****. I feel sorry for the women in your life, assuming there are any.

[MrDollarBills]

Clyde has some serious anger issues against women. Yikes

Yep. That's why he's defending that piece of ****. He never answered the question of would he like it if his father threatened his mother like that, or some man threatening a female relative of his either. It's telling. And then calls everyone white knights because we're rightfully calling Boogie a piece of crap instead of going on vile rants about how his baby mother is a gold digging whore.

except I don't think Boogie is a 'piece of crap'...again, from everything I know about him and from people that know him and have been around him and from his own dealings in his community work and how he is with his family, he's generally a good guy, despite being hot tempered. sorry I don't let single incidents define a man to me.

I know, crazy. let's all grab the pitchforks instead and scream about his he should be BaNnEd from the league.

Yes, generally good guys go around threatening to shoot their child's mother in the head over a disagreement.

[markjay]

i'm not mistaken. you said we should not assume that Cousins is a good father...I asked you you that that has negative connotations because too many people assume that black men are automatically not good/and or absentee fathers, and you followed it up with corny ass jokes for the last 3 pages.

there's nothing funny about these racial undertones. the default position should NOT be 'he's not a good father until I see it it in front of me*...considering this is almost never a discussion point when it's a white man in question.

Yeah. I was right. You're mistaken.

My post had nothing to do with race. Thanks for confirming though.

then answer the question: why should we assume that Cousins is NOT a good father?

if it's not race related, maybe you can give us at least ONE reason to justify your position?

Because he just threatened to put a bullet in the head of the boy's mother. That is not being a good father.

[clyde21]

It doesn't sound like ****. You have no knowledge of the situation so you'rein no position to be making assumptions. Misogyny aside.

you're right, we don't know anything really, but we do know:

1. Cousins wanted his boy at his wedding

2. She withheld the kid from seeing his dad and from Cousins seeing his kid

3. Cousins got pissed and said something he shouldn't have said

i can make a pretty good inference based on this information and what I already know about Cousins following his career for almost a decade, thanks.

misogyny aside of course.

3: Threatened to murder her. Saying something he shouldn't have said is calling her a C**** or fat or something. The fact that you downplay this is straight up clown ****. I feel sorry for the women in your life, assuming there are any.

im not downplaying anything, I said he should be condemned and she's perfectly within her right to file a restraining order if she feels threatened, but I also don't think he should be banned from the league and I understand that he's an emotional guy who sometimes let's his emotions get the best of him.

i can hold both of these two thoughts at the same time, save me your nasty self righteous BS.

[jamesd]

Love that Clyde is basically boiling it down to 'she deserved it."