TMZ: Bodycam footage released from Jaxon Hayes arrest

[Maf]

To be honest amazing readings. For me. To see (again) how are our cultures so different. I'm central European. Here we have like... ten percent of people who question police officers. Most of them are just pissed off by speeding ticket, parking ticket or that travesty that they stopped their party at midnight while neighbours complained they'd like to sleep to work. Yeah and football (soccer) hooligans. They hate police.

So most of us when told by policemen to stop, stay, sit, whatever, do what they said. I truly don't believe our cops are better trained and more inteligent than yours. By that I mean if we are confronted by cops we know there is a reason or a mistake. So we act with guilt or reason and explanation. If here is a video of man confronting police and acting violently we'd be like "yeah! he deserved MUCH more!" Can't say if it's about your lack of respect to police or negative experience with them. As I tried o say, not judging just comparing.

And one poster wrote story about him grabing/pulling/whatever his girlfriend's hand and how police came. Most likely wouldn't happened here... Most likely would get his mouth smashed by first (well not first, we have also many cowards) guy walking around.

But that is maybe because we're not walking being heavy armed. So there is very small chance that after confrontation with someone he pulls a gun of.

Again, not saying your ways are better or ways are better, just how different we are.

I literally mentioned this in my earlier post it is completely unfair to compare American policing to other European nations. The cultural and societal differences are just too many. The biggest difference is the 2nd amendment.

Sure, sure. That's what I meant to say. Not comparing, not judging. Just wondering. I think we have other problems with police and justice being too soft. Too many news like "ex-murderer released after five years in prison" or "drunk driver with three (don't know the english term, forbiden to drive by judge by previous drunk accidents) crashed three cars and killed two..." We'd mostly want our police to be more strict, more violent. And for sure, we have many corrupted officers, yet we would never think it'd be better idea to cancel police like they tried in Minnesotta (I believe it was there).

[agkagk]

Yaaaaaa I addressed all that. Everything I’ve written is above. Strangely, you seem to have ignored that…..

I didn't ignore anything. I guess I just got lost in all your logical fallacies along the way. Shame on me.

Besides, I have next to no interest in going back and reading through the absolute flotsam you've posted to date. I actually believe my IQ to have dropped somewhat.

He really is not worth the time, pretty certain he is just trolling.

Sorry friend, but there is both poignancy and depth to everything I’ve taken the time to write to you two.

Just cause someone doesn’t agree with your esteemed opinion; doesn’t make them a troll.

If you’re blind, how do you know what you can’t see?

I feel the cops on that porch, lack the brains, education, training, patience, humility and temperament to be on that porch.

Good luck with that.

[SkyBill40]

are you bloody daft?

they did nothing but escalate and try to physically restrain and control him and continually put there hands on him with greater force and aggression all because he was walking in a 3 foot circle on his porch.

jaw dropped by your rambling nonsense.

Poignant? Depth?

This one has got to be my fav-o-rite: Begins with an ad hominem, mixes in some argument from ignorance or appeal to authority, and closes with another ad hominem. That doesn't even touch upon the post which followed this one which lead with anecdotal evidence as a means of supporting a position and then, not once but TWICE, a burden of proof fallacy.

Look, man. We get it. You have a difference of opinion to what has been discussed ad nauseum and probably far longer than should have been allowed seeing I've seen less divisive threads shut down far earlier than this. Your disdain and abject hatred for police comes through rather clearly. You can't disguise it, so just own it.

As I said in my very first post, the thread is full of cringe and logical fallacy. Your contributions notwithstanding, of course.

I'm thinking we're done here. Feel free to post a rebuttal if you feel the need because I've spent more than enough time on your replies and won't waste another minute doing so.

[agkagk]

You don’t take violence against women seriously.

you dont understand sarcasm.

was she hurt?

did she have any bruises or injuries?

did she call 911 saying she was hurt or just feeling threatened?

at what point did jaxson hayes deserve to be treated like a dog in your mind?

or does "taking violence against women seriously" justify the means in your head?

They announced today that he is being charged with domestic violence. That means that not only did the cops have probable cause to arrest him for domestic violence, but prosecutors believe there is enough evidence to support charging him with domestic violence.

If you cared about women being abused, you would care about that.

Ok let me spell it out for you:

At what point did the police know the answer to the questions above?

Google how many b.s going nowhere domestic calls police in North america answer everyday. It’s in the tens of thousands.

Now, one more question; how would you feel if Hayes was a 6 foot 21 year with Down syndrome and things played out the exact same way?

In my view, the Cops were more interested in saving time and pacifying their egos. so they tasered him. it was the easiest, dumbest and quickest thing to do.

My buddy is a cop in Canada, that call would have been most of his night and many hours of follow up paperwork. In America it’s you talk back and you get tasered on your porch— it took them 5 minutes instead of a couple hours.

[ken6199]

One time I was in Florida arguing with my wife (then girlfriend) agitatedly on the street. At one point I was holding my wife's arm (not pulling or grabbing aggressively just trying to hold) as she was turning away from me. I wanted her to turn back so at the right moment I was getting ready to say sorry. I guess some bystander called the police, 3 policemen came over and one of them shoved me to the ground almost UFC style. My first reaction at that time wasn't "dude why are you using excessive force I know my right blah blah blah", I just told them "it's my bad, and I am calm". My wife then explained to them it was nothing serious and thanked them for coming. The police asked me to call a cab to send my wife back to the hotel and I drive back separately, which we both complied. No paperwork, no handcuffs, no nothing. The incident got diffused in 20 minutes. It's also my first and only one taste so far with the police to know not to mess with them.

In Jaxon Haye's case, even if his arm got broken and he was out for a couple of months, I think he is still the one to blame. No one asked him to get physical with the police, in any circumstances. To whoever saying the police did it out of ego, well maybe that's true and maybe not, maybe they are power tripping, idk - but remember they were dealing a with 6'11 220lb athlete. When a beast seems out of control, as police you do whatever to get it back under control because this is their first priority in that particular moment.

Best thing to do in such situation is:
1) stay calm
2) don't resist
3) worst case scenario if you got a bad cop who is power tripping, sorry it's just **** luck, and everyone gets **** luck once a while; still you do the same thing, stay calm and don't resist because whatever you do the matter is only getting worse. Record if possible, and sue them later.

100x yes. Even if the police are in the wrong or mishandle the situation, stay calm and follow their instructions. These are trained individuals with guns, batons, and tasers who can and will find any reason to pin you with a charge. Stay calm and then lawyer up if you are wronged. This is even moreso important for a guy as big as Hayes.

Look at the difference between how this played out vs Thabo Sefolosha; charged with a bunch of bs that was all dropped and subsequently won a $4 million dollar lawsuit against NYPD.

+ TLDR version: sometimes **** come up, you resist, they shoot you, you die, they get 30 years behind the bars, but you lose your life. Who is the biggest loser here? It's not that hard to figure out, and you don't need to take a hard lesson to do so.

I am always still thankful for those 3 policemen in Palm Springs, FL. Whether they were just doing their duties fighting domestic violence, or power tripping to fulfill their ego. I was 28 back then and my 2nd year in the US as an immigrant. I've never seen police act that way before in any other countries I lived in, and it has been a great lesson guiding my attitude towards them in any future encounters.

[agkagk]

are you bloody daft?

they did nothing but escalate and try to physically restrain and control him and continually put there hands on him with greater force and aggression all because he was walking in a 3 foot circle on his porch.

jaw dropped by your rambling nonsense.

Poignant? Depth?

This one has got to be my fav-o-rite: Begins with an ad hominem, mixes in some argument from ignorance or appeal to authority, and closes with another ad hominem. That doesn't even touch upon the post which followed this one which lead with anecdotal evidence as a means of supporting a position and then, not once but TWICE, a burden of proof fallacy.

Look, man. We get it. You have a difference of opinion to what has been discussed ad nauseum and probably far longer than should have been allowed seeing I've seen less divisive threads shut down far earlier than this. Your disdain and abject hatred for police comes through rather clearly. You can't disguise it, so just own it.

As I said in my very first post, the thread is full of cringe and logical fallacy. Your contributions notwithstanding, of course.

I'm thinking we're done here. Feel free to post a rebuttal if you feel the need because I've spent more than enough time on your replies and won't waste another minute doing so.

I couldn’t even speed read through this man. Sorry, only digested a few words.

Literally just shaking my head at you man.

I think I’m becoming my mom, but only on the internet.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Nothing I hate more than commentary about race and the justice system from RGM. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but some of you all have really bad ones.

[dakomish23]

I don’t know why the cop tased him. I thought they had it under control with two guys on top of him turning him over.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Been an advocate for police reform for years, but Jaxson's actions here were idiotic and dangerous for all involved.
And considering he was in fact charged with domestic violence, his actions were also likely motivated by a fear of getting caught.

[Hsker4Life]

I don’t know why the cop tased him. I thought they had it under control with two guys on top of him turning him over.

He’s 6’11 220 lbs. The cops are much smaller. He already shoved one cop up against a wall. Even after they took him to the ground, he continued to resist and was attempting to push up off the ground and get up when he was Tased. And even after being Tased, he still resisted.

[Rainwater]

To be honest amazing readings. For me. To see (again) how are our cultures so different. I'm central European. Here we have like... ten percent of people who question police officers. Most of them are just pissed off by speeding ticket, parking ticket or that travesty that they stopped their party at midnight while neighbours complained they'd like to sleep to work. Yeah and football (soccer) hooligans. They hate police.

So most of us when told by policemen to stop, stay, sit, whatever, do what they said. I truly don't believe our cops are better trained and more inteligent than yours. By that I mean if we are confronted by cops we know there is a reason or a mistake. So we act with guilt or reason and explanation. If here is a video of man confronting police and acting violently we'd be like "yeah! he deserved MUCH more!" Can't say if it's about your lack of respect to police or negative experience with them. As I tried o say, not judging just comparing.

And one poster wrote story about him grabing/pulling/whatever his girlfriend's hand and how police came. Most likely wouldn't happened here... Most likely would get his mouth smashed by first (well not first, we have also many cowards) guy walking around.

But that is maybe because we're not walking being heavy armed. So there is very small chance that after confrontation with someone he pulls a gun of.

Again, not saying your ways are better or ways are better, just how different we are.

I literally mentioned this in my earlier post it is completely unfair to compare American policing to other European nations. The cultural and societal differences are just too many. The biggest difference is the 2nd amendment.

Sure, sure. That's what I meant to say. Not comparing, not judging. Just wondering. I think we have other problems with police and justice being too soft. Too many news like "ex-murderer released after five years in prison" or "drunk driver with three (don't know the english term, forbiden to drive by judge by previous drunk accidents) crashed three cars and killed two..." We'd mostly want our police to be more strict, more violent. And for sure, we have many corrupted officers, yet we would never think it'd be better idea to cancel police like they tried in Minnesotta (I believe it was there).

I really don't think ex-murderers and drunk drivers serving short sentences is an issue with the police but rather an issue with sentencing themselves. But I really don't know how your legal system works over there.

Additionally, I think people have misunderstood what de-funding the police actually means. I think people believe they would be getting rid of the police as whole when in reality de-funding the police means taking a portion of funding and putting it in other services.

[Hsker4Life]

I literally mentioned this in my earlier post it is completely unfair to compare American policing to other European nations. The cultural and societal differences are just too many. The biggest difference is the 2nd amendment.

Sure, sure. That's what I meant to say. Not comparing, not judging. Just wondering. I think we have other problems with police and justice being too soft. Too many news like "ex-murderer released after five years in prison" or "drunk driver with three (don't know the english term, forbiden to drive by judge by previous drunk accidents) crashed three cars and killed two..." We'd mostly want our police to be more strict, more violent. And for sure, we have many corrupted officers, yet we would never think it'd be better idea to cancel police like they tried in Minnesotta (I believe it was there).

I really don't think ex-murderers and drunk drivers serving short sentences is an issue with a police but rather an issue with sentencing themselves.

Additionally, I think people have misunderstood what de-funding the police actually means. I think people believe they would be getting rid of the police as whole when in reality de-funding the police means taking a portion of funding and putting it in other services.

There weren’t just calls to defund police, there were calls to even abolish them.

[Rainwater]

Sure, sure. That's what I meant to say. Not comparing, not judging. Just wondering. I think we have other problems with police and justice being too soft. Too many news like "ex-murderer released after five years in prison" or "drunk driver with three (don't know the english term, forbiden to drive by judge by previous drunk accidents) crashed three cars and killed two..." We'd mostly want our police to be more strict, more violent. And for sure, we have many corrupted officers, yet we would never think it'd be better idea to cancel police like they tried in Minnesotta (I believe it was there).

I really don't think ex-murderers and drunk drivers serving short sentences is an issue with a police but rather an issue with sentencing themselves.

Additionally, I think people have misunderstood what de-funding the police actually means. I think people believe they would be getting rid of the police as whole when in reality de-funding the police means taking a portion of funding and putting it in other services.

There weren’t just calls to defund police, there were calls to even abolish them.

Yes but that was just a radical minority. The vast majority of people only wanted to de-fund police. The same way we shouldn't judge the whole police force on the action of one individual, we should not base the thoughts of a few to cast judgement on a whole movement.

[Rainwater]

I didn't ignore anything. I guess I just got lost in all your logical fallacies along the way. Shame on me.

Besides, I have next to no interest in going back and reading through the absolute flotsam you've posted to date. I actually believe my IQ to have dropped somewhat.

He really is not worth the time, pretty certain he is just trolling.

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Sorry friend, but there is both poignancy and depth to everything I’ve taken the time to write to you two.

Just cause someone doesn’t agree with your esteemed opinion; doesn’t make them a troll.

If you’re blind, how do you know what you can’t see?

I feel the cops on that porch, lack the brains, education, training, patience, humility and temperament to be on that porch.

Good luck with that.

This would be valid if you were actually having a conversation but you basically ignore what someone says and post what you want regardless how irrelevant it is to the topic and you do it over and over again. That's a troll.

[Hsker4Life]

I really don't think ex-murderers and drunk drivers serving short sentences is an issue with a police but rather an issue with sentencing themselves.

Additionally, I think people have misunderstood what de-funding the police actually means. I think people believe they would be getting rid of the police as whole when in reality de-funding the police means taking a portion of funding and putting it in other services.

There weren’t just calls to defund police, there were calls to even abolish them.

Yes but that was just a radical minority. The vast majority of people only wanted to de-fund police. The same way we shouldn't judge the whole police force on the action of one individual, we should not base the thoughts of a few to cast judgement on a whole movement.

But he specifically mentioned police in Minnesota. Minnesota had some of its very prominent politicians calling to abolish police.

I think most Americans don’t want to defund or abolish police, thankfully.

[dakomish23]

I don’t know why the cop tased him. I thought they had it under control with two guys on top of him turning him over.

He’s 6’11 220 lbs. The cops are much smaller. He already shoved one cop up against a wall. Even after they took him to the ground, he continued to resist and was attempting to push up off the ground and get up when he was Tased. And even after being Tased, he still resisted.

I don’t think it was necessary. They had him. Maybe you think 6’11 220 is an excuse for it but I don’t

[Rainwater]

There weren’t just calls to defund police, there were calls to even abolish them.

Yes but that was just a radical minority. The vast majority of people only wanted to de-fund police. The same way we shouldn't judge the whole police force on the action of one individual, we should not base the thoughts of a few to cast judgement on a whole movement.

But he specifically mentioned police in Minnesota. Minnesota had some of its very prominent politicians calling to abolish police.

I think most Americans don’t want to defund or abolish police, thankfully.

Sorry, I thought he was speaking in general. But yes, there were some politicians in Minneapolis who advocated for abolishing the police (not surprising given what has had happened there). However, I still don't believe that was what most of the people in the city of Minneapolis wanted. To date, I don't believe the police has been abolished there. In fact, a measure was voted down by voters in November to overhaul the police department.

Anyway, the phase de-fund the police is more controversial then what it really is and with rising crime in many cities the idea is pretty much dead.