[Woj] Teams have described Sixers asking price for Simmons' as growing...

[Hello Brooklyn]

simmons and kyrie are in the same boat.

that is, their numbers vs their reliability/liability diverge.
and that's why THE ONLY possible trade is kyrie for simmons

kyrie may APPEAR to be more desireable because his skillset is flashy and visually obvious, but simmons has shown more team worth in the w/l. the trade is obvious but the value is where the fight begins. to me simmons is the obvious choice. if i'm a contender i make sure i have the scorers so i don't need simmons to score - he then becomes invaluable. kyrie has proven nothing. he was a loser before lebron and a loser after lebron and has killed the nets.

Thats total nonsense. Kyrie is a winner and WAY better than Simmons could ever dream to be in the playoffs.

He was a loser at 19 years old before LeBron came

LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his first two years either.

Kyrie has not killed the Nets. Thats a lazy analysis from someone who doesn't watch the team. Nash is horrible and Harden quit. Those are the real reasons.

[DonaldSanders]

simmons and kyrie are in the same boat.

that is, their numbers vs their reliability/liability diverge.
and that's why THE ONLY possible trade is kyrie for simmons

kyrie may APPEAR to be more desireable because his skillset is flashy and visually obvious, but simmons has shown more team worth in the w/l. the trade is obvious but the value is where the fight begins. to me simmons is the obvious choice. if i'm a contender i make sure i have the scorers so i don't need simmons to score - he then becomes invaluable. kyrie has proven nothing. he was a loser before lebron and a loser after lebron and has killed the nets.

Thats total nonsense. Kyrie is a winner and WAY better than Simmons could ever dream to be in the playoffs.

He was a loser at 19 years old before LeBron came

LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his first two years either.

Kyrie has not killed the Nets. Thats a lazy analysis from someone who doesn't watch the team. Nash is horrible and Harden quit. Those are the real reasons.

Right, Kyrie being an antivax whacko hasn't hurt the Nets

If there has anything that has ruined the Nets, it's been Kyrie. Non stop questions, conversations about him, him not playing, etc. He is the reason Harden has quit. Harden knows this team isn't going anywhere with Kyrie being a part time player. When you spend most of your cap on 3 guys the cupboard is bare when one of those guys doesn't play.

[Hello Brooklyn]

simmons and kyrie are in the same boat.

that is, their numbers vs their reliability/liability diverge.
and that's why THE ONLY possible trade is kyrie for simmons

kyrie may APPEAR to be more desireable because his skillset is flashy and visually obvious, but simmons has shown more team worth in the w/l. the trade is obvious but the value is where the fight begins. to me simmons is the obvious choice. if i'm a contender i make sure i have the scorers so i don't need simmons to score - he then becomes invaluable. kyrie has proven nothing. he was a loser before lebron and a loser after lebron and has killed the nets.

Thats total nonsense. Kyrie is a winner and WAY better than Simmons could ever dream to be in the playoffs.

He was a loser at 19 years old before LeBron came

LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his first two years either.

Kyrie has not killed the Nets. Thats a lazy analysis from someone who doesn't watch the team. Nash is horrible and Harden quit. Those are the real reasons.

Right, Kyrie being an antivax whacko hasn't hurt the Nets

If there has anything that has ruined the Nets, it's been Kyrie. Non stop questions, conversations about him, him not playing, etc. He is the reason Harden has quit. Harden knows this team isn't going anywhere with Kyrie being a part time player. When you spend most of your cap on 3 guys the cupboard is bare when one of those guys doesn't play.

I didn't say he hasnt hurt the Nets.

Hes also not the only problem.

Nets were the #2 seed in the East without Kyrie. And with constant talk about him. Even after his return we were still holding on.

It was only after KD got injured that the Nets unraveled.

Harden has barely had to play without Kyrie so far. And even if he did so what? We know KD is coming back. You can't be the guy for like 6 weeks at home games? Thats a reason to quit?

If Nash wasn't the worst coach in the league none of this would be happening.

Everyone wants to put all the blame on Kyrie. When we have a coach that has been holding us back for 2 years.

[Flash4thewin]

Thats total nonsense. Kyrie is a winner and WAY better than Simmons could ever dream to be in the playoffs.

He was a loser at 19 years old before LeBron came

LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his first two years either.

Kyrie has not killed the Nets. Thats a lazy analysis from someone who doesn't watch the team. Nash is horrible and Harden quit. Those are the real reasons.

Right, Kyrie being an antivax whacko hasn't hurt the Nets

If there has anything that has ruined the Nets, it's been Kyrie. Non stop questions, conversations about him, him not playing, etc. He is the reason Harden has quit. Harden knows this team isn't going anywhere with Kyrie being a part time player. When you spend most of your cap on 3 guys the cupboard is bare when one of those guys doesn't play.

I didn't say he hasnt hurt the Nets.

Hes also not the only problem.

Nets were the #2 seed in the East without Kyrie. And with constant talk about him. Even after his return we were still holding on.

It was only after KD got injured that the Nets unraveled.

Harden has barely had to play without Kyrie so far. And even if he did so what? We know KD is coming back. You can't be the guy for like 6 weeks at home games? Thats a reason to quit?

If Nash wasn't the worst coach in the league none of this would be happening.

Everyone wants to put all the blame on Kyrie. When we have a coach that has been holding us back for 2 years.

Injury not coaching was the issue last year in the playoffs if we are being honest.

Ruined / hurt are just semantics at this point, Kyrie is the root of the problem here this season. KD is tight with Kyrie, cool. Harden for some reason has had enough of this train wreck season and allegedly wants out badly. All signs point to Kyrie here.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Right, Kyrie being an antivax whacko hasn't hurt the Nets

If there has anything that has ruined the Nets, it's been Kyrie. Non stop questions, conversations about him, him not playing, etc. He is the reason Harden has quit. Harden knows this team isn't going anywhere with Kyrie being a part time player. When you spend most of your cap on 3 guys the cupboard is bare when one of those guys doesn't play.

I didn't say he hasnt hurt the Nets.

Hes also not the only problem.

Nets were the #2 seed in the East without Kyrie. And with constant talk about him. Even after his return we were still holding on.

It was only after KD got injured that the Nets unraveled.

Harden has barely had to play without Kyrie so far. And even if he did so what? We know KD is coming back. You can't be the guy for like 6 weeks at home games? Thats a reason to quit?

If Nash wasn't the worst coach in the league none of this would be happening.

Everyone wants to put all the blame on Kyrie. When we have a coach that has been holding us back for 2 years.

Injury not coaching was the issue last year in the playoffs if we are being honest.

Ruined / hurt are just semantics at this point, Kyrie is the root of the problem here this season. KD is tight with Kyrie, cool. Harden for some reason has had enough of this train wreck season and allegedly wants out badly. All signs point to Kyrie here.

Injuries of course are the primary issue. But coaching is a close second.

The playoffs last year was entirely injury. That and Joe Harris being unable to shoot a **** 3 point to save his life.

How is Kyrie the root of the problem?

If we had a decent coaching we wouldnt be losing to these garbage teams all the time. We don't need Kyrie to beat G League level teams.

Harden is to blame for this season as well. Hes having his worst season since his rookie year. How is that even possible? This guy was an MVP, a top 5 player.

Its been the perfect storm of **** for the Nets to end up in this situation:

-Kyrie playing part time
-Harden becoming a shell of himself
-Constant injures (KD, Harris, Aldridge, Claxton etc.)
-Nash being a horrible coach

Of all those factors injuries is #1. And then Nash BY FAR.

[Lalouie]

Thats total nonsense. Kyrie is a winner and WAY better than Simmons could ever dream to be in the playoffs.

He was a loser at 19 years old before LeBron came

LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his first two years either.

Kyrie has not killed the Nets. Thats a lazy analysis from someone who doesn't watch the team. Nash is horrible and Harden quit. Those are the real reasons.

Right, Kyrie being an antivax whacko hasn't hurt the Nets

If there has anything that has ruined the Nets, it's been Kyrie. Non stop questions, conversations about him, him not playing, etc. He is the reason Harden has quit. Harden knows this team isn't going anywhere with Kyrie being a part time player. When you spend most of your cap on 3 guys the cupboard is bare when one of those guys doesn't play.

I didn't say he hasnt hurt the Nets.

Hes also not the only problem.

Nets were the #2 seed in the East without Kyrie. And with constant talk about him. Even after his return we were still holding on.

It was only after KD got injured that the Nets unraveled.

Harden has barely had to play without Kyrie so far. And even if he did so what? We know KD is coming back. You can't be the guy for like 6 weeks at home games? Thats a reason to quit?

If Nash wasn't the worst coach in the league none of this would be happening.

Everyone wants to put all the blame on Kyrie. When we have a coach that has been holding us back for 2 years.

you have a peculiar idea of what a winner is. and don't forget the celts.
and the sum total is,,,,,kyrie is viewed as unreliable and his market value is nowhere close to his skillset

[Hello Brooklyn]

Right, Kyrie being an antivax whacko hasn't hurt the Nets

If there has anything that has ruined the Nets, it's been Kyrie. Non stop questions, conversations about him, him not playing, etc. He is the reason Harden has quit. Harden knows this team isn't going anywhere with Kyrie being a part time player. When you spend most of your cap on 3 guys the cupboard is bare when one of those guys doesn't play.

I didn't say he hasnt hurt the Nets.

Hes also not the only problem.

Nets were the #2 seed in the East without Kyrie. And with constant talk about him. Even after his return we were still holding on.

It was only after KD got injured that the Nets unraveled.

Harden has barely had to play without Kyrie so far. And even if he did so what? We know KD is coming back. You can't be the guy for like 6 weeks at home games? Thats a reason to quit?

If Nash wasn't the worst coach in the league none of this would be happening.

Everyone wants to put all the blame on Kyrie. When we have a coach that has been holding us back for 2 years.

you have a peculiar idea of what a winner is. and don't forget the celts.
and the sum total is,,,,,kyrie is viewed as unreliable and his market value is nowhere close to his skillset

A winner is someone who was #2 on a Championship team.

Also I didn't realize losing in the 2nd round on the Celtics made him a loser

Kyrie hasn't been a loser. Is he kind of nuts? Yes.

But blaming him entirely for all the Nets problems is a convenient way to avoid the reality of the situation.

Nash is a terrible coach. Harden is playing like a glorified Brandon Ingram. Kyrie being part time is a part of a bigger problem.

[bebopdeluxe]

I think if people were REALLY honest, a KD/Simmons/Kyrie core - if healthy - is pretty f'k'n dangerous.

It is also way, WAY cheaper than hitting Harden with a super max (like $40-50 million cheaper).

As a Sixers fan, I am not looking forward to Ben Simmons on the Nets for the next 4 seasons if the trade happens.

[Lalouie]

I didn't say he hasnt hurt the Nets.

Hes also not the only problem.

Nets were the #2 seed in the East without Kyrie. And with constant talk about him. Even after his return we were still holding on.

It was only after KD got injured that the Nets unraveled.

Harden has barely had to play without Kyrie so far. And even if he did so what? We know KD is coming back. You can't be the guy for like 6 weeks at home games? Thats a reason to quit?

If Nash wasn't the worst coach in the league none of this would be happening.

Everyone wants to put all the blame on Kyrie. When we have a coach that has been holding us back for 2 years.

you have a peculiar idea of what a winner is. and don't forget the celts.
and the sum total is,,,,,kyrie is viewed as unreliable and his market value is nowhere close to his skillset

A winner is someone who was #2 on a Championship team.

Also I didn't realize losing in the 2nd round on the Celtics made him a loser

Kyrie hasn't been a loser. Is he kind of nuts? Yes.

But blaming him entirely for all the Nets problems is a convenient way to avoid the reality of the situation.

Nash is a terrible coach. Harden is playing like a glorified Brandon Ingram. Kyrie being part time is a part of a bigger problem.

i'm not only about the nets. lemme put it this way. a WINNER doesn't act the way kyrie is/has been acting in a way detremental to the team. if you want to describe a winner ONLY by numbers, be my guest

[DonaldSanders]

But blaming him entirely for all the Nets problems is a convenient way to avoid the reality of the situation.

Nash is a terrible coach. Harden is playing like a glorified Brandon Ingram. Kyrie being part time is a part of a bigger problem.

There are always multiple factors contributing to an issue, but it's really tough for the main issue not to be players missing time, and by that result Kyrie. KD being injured sucks, but he'll play all the games in the playoffs. Harden knows Kyrie won't be playing a high % of playoff games and he knows the roster can't go anywhere without either Kyrie playing or getting players instead of him who will play. This roster is even more top heavy than the KD Warriors but with worse depth.

If you have all 3 healthy in the playoffs the Nets are a clear top 3 team with a very high chance of winning the chip; So I think it really starts with Kyrie as the big reason why the Nets are dysfunctional. If you don't have all 3 the chances are not great for a chip and Harden knows that isn't happening this season.

And while Kyrie is gone Harden is under the microscope. I think he knows he has declined a bit, so having a big 3 where he can be more of a traditional PG is perfect, but with Kyrie out he's getting beaten up in the press, on forums, in games. He's not enjoying this and it's not what he signed up for.

I think KD is so laser focused on the goal he'll play lights out either way... but Kyrie is dragging this whole thing down. Nash may not be great but I don't think you need even a good coach if the big 3 are healthy to win a chip.

[Hello Brooklyn]

But blaming him entirely for all the Nets problems is a convenient way to avoid the reality of the situation.

Nash is a terrible coach. Harden is playing like a glorified Brandon Ingram. Kyrie being part time is a part of a bigger problem.

There are always multiple factors contributing to an issue, but it's really tough for the main issue not to be players missing time, and by that result Kyrie. KD being injured sucks, but he'll play all the games in the playoffs. Harden knows Kyrie won't be playing a high % of playoff games and he knows the roster can't go anywhere without either Kyrie playing or getting players instead of him who will play. This roster is even more top heavy than the KD Warriors but with worse depth.

If you have all 3 healthy in the playoffs the Nets are a clear top 3 team with a very high chance of winning the chip; So I think it really starts with Kyrie as the big reason why the Nets are dysfunctional. If you don't have all 3 the chances are not great for a chip and Harden knows that isn't happening this season.

And while Kyrie is gone Harden is under the microscope. I think he knows he has declined a bit, so having a big 3 where he can be more of a traditional PG is perfect, but with Kyrie out he's getting beaten up in the press, on forums, in games. He's not enjoying this and it's not what he signed up for.

I think KD is so laser focused on the goal he'll play lights out either way... but Kyrie is dragging this whole thing down. Nash may not be great but I don't think you need even a good coach if the big 3 are healthy to win a chip.

Thats a pretty ridiculous assertion.

The roster can go nowhere without Kyrie playing full time?

The Nets were #2 in the East before KD got hurt. They were certainly a legitimate contender.

You give me Harden + KD, part time Kyrie who in the East would beat the Nets? Milwaukee would be the only legitimate threat.

The real issue is again coaching. Nash is a horrible coach. He can't make adjustments or find ways to win games.

[DonaldSanders]

Thats a pretty ridiculous assertion.

The roster can go nowhere without Kyrie playing full time?

The Nets were #2 in the East before KD got hurt. They were certainly a legitimate contender.

You give me Harden + KD, part time Kyrie who in the East would beat the Nets? Milwaukee would be the only legitimate threat.

The real issue is again coaching. Nash is a horrible coach. He can't make adjustments or find ways to win games.

I didn't say go nowhere but you are not winning a chip with the current roster and Kyrie as a part-time player. It's not working but you place all the blame on Nash & ignore the lack of depth.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Thats a pretty ridiculous assertion.

The roster can go nowhere without Kyrie playing full time?

The Nets were #2 in the East before KD got hurt. They were certainly a legitimate contender.

You give me Harden + KD, part time Kyrie who in the East would beat the Nets? Milwaukee would be the only legitimate threat.

The real issue is again coaching. Nash is a horrible coach. He can't make adjustments or find ways to win games.

I didn't say go nowhere but you are not winning a chip with the current roster and Kyrie as a part-time player. It's not working but you place all the blame on Nash & ignore the lack of depth.

Lack of depth?

Harris is injured. Aldridge is injured. Claxton is constantly injured. KD is out.

If you look at this team fully healthy depth is not the problem.

[DonaldSanders]

Thats a pretty ridiculous assertion.

The roster can go nowhere without Kyrie playing full time?

The Nets were #2 in the East before KD got hurt. They were certainly a legitimate contender.

You give me Harden + KD, part time Kyrie who in the East would beat the Nets? Milwaukee would be the only legitimate threat.

The real issue is again coaching. Nash is a horrible coach. He can't make adjustments or find ways to win games.

I didn't say go nowhere but you are not winning a chip with the current roster and Kyrie as a part-time player. It's not working but you place all the blame on Nash & ignore the lack of depth.

Lack of depth?

Harris is injured. Aldridge is injured. Claxton is constantly injured. KD is out.

If you look at this team fully healthy depth is not the problem.

They're a great team, just not enough to win the chip without Kyrie playing full time. That's where we disagree, have a good day bro.

[Roger Murdock]

But blaming him entirely for all the Nets problems is a convenient way to avoid the reality of the situation.

Nash is a terrible coach. Harden is playing like a glorified Brandon Ingram. Kyrie being part time is a part of a bigger problem.

There are always multiple factors contributing to an issue, but it's really tough for the main issue not to be players missing time, and by that result Kyrie. KD being injured sucks, but he'll play all the games in the playoffs. Harden knows Kyrie won't be playing a high % of playoff games and he knows the roster can't go anywhere without either Kyrie playing or getting players instead of him who will play. This roster is even more top heavy than the KD Warriors but with worse depth.

If you have all 3 healthy in the playoffs the Nets are a clear top 3 team with a very high chance of winning the chip; So I think it really starts with Kyrie as the big reason why the Nets are dysfunctional. If you don't have all 3 the chances are not great for a chip and Harden knows that isn't happening this season.

And while Kyrie is gone Harden is under the microscope. I think he knows he has declined a bit, so having a big 3 where he can be more of a traditional PG is perfect, but with Kyrie out he's getting beaten up in the press, on forums, in games. He's not enjoying this and it's not what he signed up for.

I think KD is so laser focused on the goal he'll play lights out either way... but Kyrie is dragging this whole thing down. Nash may not be great but I don't think you need even a good coach if the big 3 are healthy to win a chip.

Thats a pretty ridiculous assertion.

The roster can go nowhere without Kyrie playing full time?

The Nets were #2 in the East before KD got hurt. They were certainly a legitimate contender.

You give me Harden + KD, part time Kyrie who in the East would beat the Nets? Milwaukee would be the only legitimate threat.

The real issue is again coaching. Nash is a horrible coach. He can't make adjustments or find ways to win games.

What you don't seem to understand is you have one problem that is incredibly fixable. Like super, super, super fixable.

You can't just 'suddenly have everyone be healthy'. Injuries suck but its bad luck and essentially non-controllable. Players aging, again that's part of the game and harder to predict or control.

Kyrie Irving has 100% agency to fix an enormous problem. Literally if he said 'you know what I was being stubborn' and got a shot that takes what? 5 minutes of time and a teeny, tiny amount of humility and it makes essentially every problem you have seem minor all of a sudden. But he's not going to do it because Kyrie has a brain injury the same way half your roster has physical injuries.

Kyrie being unavailable has the same on court effect as an injury that causes you to miss 50+ games while also adding a huge locker room burden knowing that a star player on a max contract doesn't care about the rest of the team. Durant got hurt because he's an injury prone player carrying a huge workload because Irving wanted a vacation (just like he did last year). Harden is pissed and frustrated because he's dealing with nagging injuries while Irving is out partying, relaxing, while wearing a tin foil hat.

I told you this last season and you didn't want to believe me. I said 'Irving and his selfish BS will lead to the Nets downfall and every Nets fan will end up resenting him the same way Cavs fans and Celtics fans do.'

I was totally right except one thing. every Nets fan will eventually turn on Kyrie except for you as that would take some humility admitting you were wrong.

[DroseReturnChi]

I think if people were REALLY honest, a KD/Simmons/Kyrie core - if healthy - is pretty f'k'n dangerous.

It is also way, WAY cheaper than hitting Harden with a super max (like $40-50 million cheaper).

As a Sixers fan, I am not looking forward to Ben Simmons on the Nets for the next 4 seasons if the trade happens.

harden at this point is only a big name he has no substance. simmons meanwhile an all nba talent is being treated like a two way contract by the league which is hilarious. if nets gm is smart, he should take simmons and run instead of risking the entire franchise for james harden and wait for him to sign the extension.

you know ben is an iron man he will play 100% of his games versus harden missing half due to being fat and not training.
i could easily see ben's trade value being several times if they swap uniforms it makes sense why morey's asking price is getting bigger.

[DusterBuster]

I think if people were REALLY honest, a KD/Simmons/Kyrie core - if healthy - is pretty f'k'n dangerous.

It is also way, WAY cheaper than hitting Harden with a super max (like $40-50 million cheaper).

As a Sixers fan, I am not looking forward to Ben Simmons on the Nets for the next 4 seasons if the trade happens.

harden at this point is only a big name he has no substance. simmons meanwhile an all nba talent is being treated like a two way contract by the league which is hilarious. if nets gm is smart, he should take simmons and run instead of risking the entire franchise for james harden and wait for him to sign the extension.

you know ben is an iron man he will play 100% of his games versus harden missing half due to being fat and not training.
i could easily see ben's trade value being several times if they swap uniforms it makes sense why morey's asking price is getting bigger.

Ben is an iron man who will play 100% of his games… unless someone hurts his feelings, than he’ll play 0% of his games…. Ffs dude, this post is embarrassing.

[JDR720]

Neither Kyrie or Harden are serious winning players.

Harden struggles in the playoffs because he doesn't take his conditioning seriously and is overly reliant on FT's. He also doesn't bother with defense.

Irving is literally picking not getting vaccinated over being a good teammate.

If Harden wanted to win, he'd get in shape and stay that way. If Kyrie wanted to win, he'd get vaccinated.

KD left Steph/Klay/Draymond for two diva's. Simple as that.

[Sixerscan]

Missed again. What was the final trade?

Tell you about it in a week, once the Nets keep losing more games, the Blazers next trade CJ and make dumb trades to push Dame out, the Wizards become the usual Wizards and locker room issues continue to grow, etc.

Why don’t you go ahead and save your flex for next week too than instead of trying to preemptively dunk 15ft from the basket there pal…

Dame has already come out with a strong statement post trade that he’s not asking for any trade or upset, so you’re still wrong there.

There’s been one single report that the Nets and Sixers will “have discussions”… hardly panac mode for the Nets… but also something we’ve known for weeks now that the Sixers may be tampering with Harden and that the Nets may end up being forced to do that deal either now or this summer so they do risk losing Harden and the assets they traded to get him for nothing.

Also all reports regarding Beal is that any deal this deadline is extremely unlikely….


So yeah, weird time to try your flex dude when there’s nothing much to flex over on your end…

Regardless of the result, this is exactly why you wait. There's always going to be some version of the role player/protected pick offer available, there are only certain windows where very good players potentially come available. Taking advantage of one those windows (that regularly repeat) is the goal here, not trading Simmons at the exact moment some underwhelming offer from the Wolves is the least underwhelming.

[MaxZaslofskyJr]

simmons and kyrie are in the same boat.

that is, their numbers vs their reliability/liability diverge.
and that's why THE ONLY possible trade is kyrie for simmons

kyrie may APPEAR to be more desireable because his skillset is flashy and visually obvious, but simmons has shown more team worth in the w/l. the trade is obvious but the value is where the fight begins. to me simmons is the obvious choice. if i'm a contender i make sure i have the scorers so i don't need simmons to score - he then becomes invaluable. kyrie has proven nothing. he was a loser before lebron and a loser after lebron and has killed the nets.

Thats total nonsense. Kyrie is a winner and WAY better than Simmons could ever dream to be in the playoffs.

He was a loser at 19 years old before LeBron came

LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his first two years either.

Kyrie has not killed the Nets. Thats a lazy analysis from someone who doesn't watch the team. Nash is horrible and Harden quit. Those are the real reasons.

Right, Kyrie being an antivax whacko hasn't hurt the Nets

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Nail meet head.