The Sixers Look Scary

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Embiid, Harden and Doc have all faded in the playoffs before, so let’s see how they do it when it really matters.

But yeah, they have an amazing squad.

Embiid and Harden have also never played with players as good as one another before.

The only year Harden had some help, he nearly took out the Curry + KD Warriors.

Doc is who I'd be most worried about sabotaging their chances. But the 2008 Celtics showed that enough talent can overcome his incompetence as a coach.

[HardenToSixers]

Embiid was a +90 in the 7 game Toronto series, including +10, in 46 minutes in game 7.

Thats more a greg monroe stat. backup C behind embiid has been terrible till drummond

Then you don't understand +/ ... And I really don't know how that's possible in 2022.

Embiid's +/- has nothing to do with a player that he never shared the court with at anytime.

if there was a better backup, all else equal, then his +/- would have been lower because the non-Embiid mins would have scored more points. it's very simple math lol. you clearly are the one with no understanding of +/-.

As the biggest Horford proponent on the Sixers board I'd think you'd understand the significance of a backup center.

[LloydFree]

Thats more a greg monroe stat. backup C behind embiid has been terrible till drummond

Then you don't understand +/ ... And I really don't know how that's possible in 2022.

Embiid's +/- has nothing to do with a player that he never shared the court with at anytime.

if there was a better backup, all else equal, then his +/- would have been lower because the non-Embiid mins would have scored more points. it's very simple math lol. you clearly are the one with no understanding of +/-.

As the biggest Horford proponent on the Sixers board I'd think you'd understand the significance of a backup center.

LOL

[eyeatoma]

Embiid, Harden and Doc have all faded in the playoffs before, so let’s see how they do it when it really matters.

But yeah, they have an amazing squad.

Hard to succeed in playoffs for Embiid when you are constantly playing 4 on 5.

[HardenToSixers]

Then you don't understand +/ ... And I really don't know how that's possible in 2022.

Embiid's +/- has nothing to do with a player that he never shared the court with at anytime.

if there was a better backup, all else equal, then his +/- would have been lower because the non-Embiid mins would have scored more points. it's very simple math lol. you clearly are the one with no understanding of +/-.

As the biggest Horford proponent on the Sixers board I'd think you'd understand the significance of a backup center.

LOL

haha I concede I just thought about it for another second and you're clearly right

[zimpy27]

Embiid, Harden and Doc have all faded in the playoffs before, so let’s see how they do it when it really matters.

But yeah, they have an amazing squad.

Hard to succeed in playoffs for Embiid when you are constantly playing 4 on 5.

Ben didn't play in 2020 playoffs. Sixers didn't win a game.

[eyeatoma]

Embiid, Harden and Doc have all faded in the playoffs before, so let’s see how they do it when it really matters.

But yeah, they have an amazing squad.

Hard to succeed in playoffs for Embiid when you are constantly playing 4 on 5.

Ben didn't play in 2020 playoffs. Sixers didn't win a game.

Yeah they had Horford and Richardson who we all know fit so well lol. Also no point guard either. I mean it's hard for a big to succeed without a traditional PG in the playoffs, which Simmons never was.

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[LewisnotMiller]

if there was a better backup, all else equal, then his +/- would have been lower because the non-Embiid mins would have scored more points. it's very simple math lol. you clearly are the one with no understanding of +/-.

As the biggest Horford proponent on the Sixers board I'd think you'd understand the significance of a backup center.

LOL

haha I concede I just thought about it for another second and you're clearly right

Your point was right in relation to on/off stats, rather than pure +/-

[HotelVitale]

Embiid, Harden and Doc have all faded in the playoffs before, so let’s see how they do it when it really matters. But yeah, they have an amazing squad.

Hard to succeed in playoffs for Embiid when you are constantly playing 4 on 5.

Ben didn't play in 2020 playoffs. Sixers didn't win a game.

Embiid averaged 30/12 on 60% TS, next best on the Sixers were Josh Richardson with 17ppg on 36% fg and Tobias with 16ppg on 38% fg.

[zimpy27]

Hard to succeed in playoffs for Embiid when you are constantly playing 4 on 5.

Ben didn't play in 2020 playoffs. Sixers didn't win a game.

Embiid averaged 30/12 on 60% TS, next best on the Sixers were Josh Richardson with 17ppg on 36% fg and Tobias with 16ppg on 38% fg.

So it wasn't 4 on 5 because of Simmons

[rocketsfan100]

Embiid has had 40 free throws in the last two games because hardens spacing gravity and ability to draw doubles either off the pick and roll drives or his step back has opened up the lane for him to go berserk .

Harden has also unleashed Maxey to either attack the close outs off hardens drive and dishes or in the open court passes for maxey to use his speed. Once harden gets more accumulated with Niang, Green and Furkan they will also get open shots that they only could have dreamed of prior to his arrival

[GeorgeMarcus]

if there was a better backup, all else equal, then his +/- would have been lower because the non-Embiid mins would have scored more points. it's very simple math lol. you clearly are the one with no understanding of +/-.

As the biggest Horford proponent on the Sixers board I'd think you'd understand the significance of a backup center.

LOL

haha I concede I just thought about it for another second and you're clearly right

Ditto what LewisisnotMiller said: your argument makes sense regarding on/off but not +/-.

That aside, it is very refreshing to see someone concede a losing argument the way you did. I'm use to the gradual shifting of goalposts when somebody realizes they're wrong, but you had the backbone and decency to own it. Well done, you passed the test.

[LewisnotMiller]

LOL

haha I concede I just thought about it for another second and you're clearly right

Ditto what LewisisnotMiller said: your argument makes sense regarding on/off but not +/-.

That aside, it is very refreshing to see someone concede a losing argument the way you did. I'm use to the gradual shifting of goalposts when somebody realizes they're wrong, but you had the backbone and decency to own it. Well done, you passed the test.

Yep, I thought the same.

[cool007]

Philly is the best in the East with Harden and Embiid. They got really good role players who make shots to make teams pay for doubling Harden/Embiid.

I really love this trade for Philly. I hate it as a Bulls fan but what can you do, other than to avoid them for as long as you can in the playoffs.

Embiid and Harden will average about 30 to 40 free throws a game. That's a HUGE bonus for them.

[eyeatoma]

Ben didn't play in 2020 playoffs. Sixers didn't win a game.

Embiid averaged 30/12 on 60% TS, next best on the Sixers were Josh Richardson with 17ppg on 36% fg and Tobias with 16ppg on 38% fg.

So it wasn't 4 on 5 because of Simmons

For one out of 4 playoffs runs. It was for the other 3 though. But even for that one he didn't play in, the team was built to cater to him. So as a result when he was out, we had no one from the perimeter who could create or scorer.

[zimpy27]

Embiid averaged 30/12 on 60% TS, next best on the Sixers were Josh Richardson with 17ppg on 36% fg and Tobias with 16ppg on 38% fg.

So it wasn't 4 on 5 because of Simmons

For one out of 4 playoffs runs. It was for the other 3 though. But even for that one he didn't play in, the team was built to cater to him. So as a result when he was out, we had no one from the perimeter who could create or scorer.

A team built for Simmons would look like what Embiid has now but exchanging Harris for Horford.

The team wasn't built well for Embiid or Simmons, they were forced to work together but it's impossible. Both need a half court creator.

Still team did better with Simmons on the floor than not.

[eyeatoma]

So it wasn't 4 on 5 because of Simmons

For one out of 4 playoffs runs. It was for the other 3 though. But even for that one he didn't play in, the team was built to cater to him. So as a result when he was out, we had no one from the perimeter who could create or scorer.

A team built for Simmons would look like what Embiid has now but exchanging Harris for Horford.

The team wasn't built well for Embiid or Simmons, they were forced to work together but it's impossible. Both need a half court creator.

Still team did better with Simmons on the floor than not.

Doesn't change the fact that in the half court they were severely limited in the playoffs because no one needed to pay attention to Ben, and Embiid was double or triple teamed because of it. Ben being on the team limited our ability to get a perimeter scorer because he wanted the ball in his hands. This team always had a cieling. The only one which was a true contender was the Jimmy Butler version.

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[SecondTake]

Harden and Lebron are the greatest dual threat(playmaking/scoring) guards of all time.

Prime Westbrook says hi

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Westbrook wasn't an elite scorer.

The guy lead the league in scoring... Not Harden good, but definitely elite.

[Sixerscan]

LOL

haha I concede I just thought about it for another second and you're clearly right

Ditto what LewisisnotMiller said: your argument makes sense regarding on/off but not +/-.

That aside, it is very refreshing to see someone concede a losing argument the way you did. I'm use to the gradual shifting of goalposts when somebody realizes they're wrong, but you had the backbone and decency to own it. Well done, you passed the test.

Also to his credit, I assume this misunderstanding happened in part because +90 in just the minutes that one player played over a 7 game series that his team somehow lost is so ridiculous that it seems like it must be on/off.

[eyeatoma]

Yes it was against the Wolves, and 2 games against the Knicks, but if Tyrese Maxey is giong to be a 20 ppg scorer the NBA is in trouble, and Philly will be finals favorites.

Maxey with 25 points on 11 shots and 4 3s. Harden with 26 points on 13 shots and Embiid with 27 points on 15 shots.