Eurobasket 2022 Finals : SPAIN are European champions!!!

[UcanUwill]

I swear that FIBA announcer Jeff Taylor...he's been announcing FIBA tournaments and EuroLeague / EuroCup / FIBA Champions League for years and years. And he still makes these ridiculous statements. He was acting like Poland beating Slovenia was like USA beating USSR with hockey with college players or something.

I mean come on, Slovenia has like two good players on the team, and one of them, Tobey is just an average level player for EuroLeague.

Poland is a pretty crap team itself, it's like a top 12-15 European team, but come on, making it out to be some huge upset. Like what the hell, Slovenia's roster is weak as hell.

It's amazing how weak the EuroBasket has gotten. Slovenia was easily the weakest EuroBasket champion is decades and decades, and now teams like Poland and current Spain are in the semis, and both of their rosters are so weak.

Go back to those like 2000s and early 2010s era European teams like Lithuania, FR Yugoslavia, Greece, Spain, any of those teams would crush these teams like Poland and Slovenia. Just absolutely crush them. Now we have teams like this fighting for medal rounds. It's unbelievable how the level of the higher end teams has fallen.

Slovenia is not a deep team, but their superstar is just THAT GOOD, it did elevated the team to gold status at least from perception point of view. This was definitely the biggest upset of the year. This is not beating legit USA team level upset, but this was a huge shocker.

Luka was very unlikable in this tournament, I mean he did had few legendary performances, but his chubby whiners face I think got old to everyone. But that said, he was clearly very very banged up and playing through pain. This was 7th. very high level game in 14 days, a catalyst for upsets.

I just want to say how glad I am that Eurobasket takes longer time, and barely any game, even group stage ones overlapped. I watched most of the games. Just few years ago it seemed like Eurobasket would schedule 3 games at the same time, cause no one believed this sport could warrant any TV interest otherwise.

[Dirk]

The guy who kept Poland afloat when Slovenia made the comeback did not look Polish. Another random American signed?

Lets not act like Slovenia didnt have american on their team when they won gold

A.J. SLAUGHTER, from wikipedia, never even played in Poland.

Just underlines that these "FIBA > NBA" comments must be taken as a parody, when Fiba national teams have to sign these players.

[Mirotic12]

The guy who kept Poland afloat when Slovenia made the comeback did not look Polish. Another random American signed?

His name is AJ Slaughter and let's not even begin to pretend that he's a good player. He was one of the worst point guards I've seen that played in EuroLeague.

Poland signing him to play is basically totally irrelevant as far as I am concerned. Actually, Slovenia's naturalized player, Mike Tobey, is a much better player than Slaughter is.

[schnakenpopanz]

nba Basketball relies too much on individual skill by design. it is no surprise that they struggle with fiba rules

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But they don't struggle Jokic, Giannis, Doncic, Markannen, Wagner etc have been great and were head and shoulders above their competition

from the top 15 scorers, at least 10 play in the nba (and a couple more have played there)

Struggling not with individual output.
They are clearly frustrated.
Not only with losses. This is not comparable to College March Madness.

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[greekbuck34]

One bad night and you are out. This is how random are the fiba and euroleague Final 4s. No time for the better team or better player(s) to recover like the nba playoff series.

Game was long enough. Slo recovered historically and then Pol recovered in the end aswell, they were the better team if considered everyone that was playing. Slo missed Zoran in fast breaks. Random is if someone makes random shot at the end of time and barely wins.

My point is Jokic, Giannis and Luca would easily beat Italy, Germany and Poland in a 7 game series. Hell even in a 5 game series. They will average a near 30p triple double because it's inevitable.

A random great/trash shooting night, or a bizzare bad night for a MVP caliber player or a completely wrong defensive plan from the coach can easily cause an upset. It's happening so many times in the game 1s in the NBA but teams have time to study or get over the bad luck and prevail. For me that's way better to witness.

Eurobasket was fun but I don't even care anymore who wins it now that all the MVPs are out. Spain and France could make the finals without even facing one of them in the knockouts.

[lambchop]

Some good players miss something, they are not great shooters or they don't have great vision etc

Doncic has everything and his problem is he cannot work on his conditioning

How can you gain weight in training camp and then stay the same in tournament?
He was skinny before training camp.What happened i dont know

Overeating and drinking alcohol will do that to you. Germany has some of the best Kebab and beers. I doubt Luka would say no to some nice pregame kebab with sucuk and Ratsherrentopf. Boris Diaw already pulled this off before him. So Luka isn't that unique in terms of weight gain.

[BelgradeNugget]

Giannis was probably the best player of the tournament. Which only emphasizes how poor overall was the talent level of the rest of the team.

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Not in Fiba competition for sure. Luka is the king there.

Hi my friend, you knew I will find you How they call it - instant karma. Congratulations to Luka on triple double...eh, my mistake, it was not Luka it was Ponitka.
Any way, you played hard, brave, to the best of your ability, but sometimes you just must congratulate to a better team.

[Mirotic12]

A.J. SLAUGHTER, from wikipedia, never even played in Poland.

Just underlines that these "FIBA > NBA" comments must be taken as a parody, when Fiba national teams have to sign these players.

I don't think AJ Slaughter isn't even a top 50 guard in Europe. His being on their team, is really not much of anything at all. He's certainly a rose player than Slovenia's naturalized player Tobey is.

Hell, I don't know if Slaughter is even a top 50 guard in Europe, just counting only American players.

[Dirk]

The guy who kept Poland afloat when Slovenia made the comeback did not look Polish. Another random American signed?

His name is AJ Slaughter and let's not even begin to pretend that he's a good player. He was one of the worst point guards I've seen that played in EuroLeague.

Poland signing him to play is basically totally irrelevant as far as I am concerned. Actually, Slovenia's naturalized player, Mike Tobey, is a much better player than Slaughter is.

It just underlines the lack of quality, if teams have to pay foreigners to play for their national team.

[UcanUwill]

The guy who kept Poland afloat when Slovenia made the comeback did not look Polish. Another random American signed?

Lets not act like Slovenia didnt have american on their team when they won gold

They had random american in this game, who admitted that he didnt even know where SLovenia was before being approached to suit up, and his first visit ever to Slovenia, was to receive the passport. Lets not act like Slovenia is a victim here, Tobey could blend in as Slovenian (thats me saying he aint black), but he is random hired gun just like Lorenzo Brown is.

[Dirk]

The guy who kept Poland afloat when Slovenia made the comeback did not look Polish. Another random American signed?

Lets not act like Slovenia didnt have american on their team when they won gold

They had random american in this game, who admitted that he didnt even know where SLovenia was before being approached to suit up, and his first visit ever to Slovenia, was to receive the passport. Lets not act like Slovenia is a victim here, Tobey could blend in as Slovenian (thats me saying he aint black), but he is random hired gun just like Lorenzo Brown is.

Oh yeah, Anthony randolph!

[wco81]

Dawn is a man's name?

[UcanUwill]

So.. Who is going to bring Ponitka to the NBA?

He's been a solid player in EuroLeague, nothing more than that really. It's amazing how these FIBA tournaments can cloud the perception of NBA fans.

I do like him quite a bit as a player, but I've seen him enough in EuroLeague to know, that he's no star in European level.

I think Ponitka is easily one of the better Euroleague wingmen, him and Pangos was ana amazing duo. But he excels as creator, and he really is not a very good shooter, despite him being a tough shot specialist to a point, and him having a very nice mechanics. I think he is very good player at Euro level, but not a great NBA fit at all. He is not getting to play on ball in the NBA, and you dont want him to spot up, hes just not a shooter. Looked like an NBA player today, no doubt.

[Sgt Major]

I'm really stunned by this lack of love for upsets.

[lambchop]

A.J. SLAUGHTER, from wikipedia, never even played in Poland.

Just underlines that these "FIBA > NBA" comments must be taken as a parody, when Fiba national teams have to sign these players.

I don't think AJ Slaughter isn't even a top 50 guard in Europe. His being on their team, is really not much of anything at all. He's certainly a rose player than Slovenia's naturalized player Tobey is.

Hell, I don't know if Slaughter is even a top 50 guard in Europe, just counting only American players.

Difficult to make a top 50 imo. The differences are too small and it's not easy to compare the leagues at some point.

[Jellybeans]

The guy who kept Poland afloat when Slovenia made the comeback did not look Polish. Another random American signed?

Lets not act like Slovenia didnt have american on their team when they won gold

They had random american in this game, who admitted that he didnt even know where SLovenia was before being approached to suit up, and his first visit ever to Slovenia, was to receive the passport. Lets not act like Slovenia is a victim here, Tobey could blend in as Slovenian (thats me saying he aint black), but he is random hired gun just like Lorenzo Brown is.

They arent victims.They didnt lose because some random american torched them.
They lost because they leader played like ass

I have no problems when second tier teams get americans.I wouldnt even put Poland as second tier.
I have only problems when teams like Spain/Greece starts to get americans on their team. For Spain it just so insane that they need to go that way even with Rubio out

[Taikuri]

I already said it on Sunday, imo Spain has a clear path to gold.

They aint winning against Germany if Germany wins against Greece.

Germany will win gold it seems.

[BoatsNZones]

Lol So Giannis, Jokic and Doncic (Real GM's top 3) all likely won't be making the Eurobasket All Tournament Team. Rudy Gobert remains the last remaining NBA All Star. Classic.

[Wagonband]

Still don't get it how the last foul not being called doesn't seem to be an issue. It wasn't a 3pt shooting foul, but the Polish guy made the foul precisely so Slovenia can't shoot a 3. And the referee just ignored it.

[lambchop]

STEAL ! not finished though .... haha what a competition !!!!

Also, not having ads all the time, so not many timeouts and players sometimes dont have as mch time as the NBA to think or coaches to design a play ! so many more mistakes !!

No knock on European players, but imo due to higher usage rates and players being more vocal in the NBA, I'm pretty sure they can set up end of game plays themselves. Warriors - draymond would set things up while on the court. LBJ teams - LBJ basically does that every other play anyway lol. Nuggets - Jokic does that mid game etc.

Also, due to the defensive 3 seconds rule, there's always gonna be some kind of space on the floor no matter what you set up. So it's not just the time outs.