What is the most impressive carry job by a star?

[ScrantonBulls]

It's like saying 'name me a time Ray Allen put up 50 shots like Kobe?!' Hopefully never, because that's a bad thing. You don't want your team to be structured in such a suboptimal way.

Philly was built around Iverson’s offense, rebounding, defense, and physicality. And they were a great team that had a good run. Iverson had a great run. Iverson wasnt efficient offensively but not everybody rates the performance of a player during their career based soley off TS%, RAPTOR, and other metrics that you guys are mesmerized by. Ray Allen was awesome but he never carried a team to the finals like Iverson did.

Iverson was not the reason the team succeeded, they were a good defensive team who won with D. They were also not that great. The East was trash in the early 00s. Yeh yeh, the Lakers dropped a game in the finals to them because they got lazy and coasted too much, but that team would be a bottom of the league team today.

Iverson "carried" them, but he can't bring himself to say that LeBron ever carried a team

[Onlytimewilltel]

Hakeem in 94 was a spectacular carry job. That’s numero uno.

Then you have the rest of ‘em.


Oh, and I can’t believe there’s an idiot in this thread trying to argue for including Jordan for all time carry jobs (for title winning teams)

[Iwasawitness]

Exactly!

I never said that LBJ carry the team in the 2016 finals like some others and of course without Kyrie,the cavs don't win,but it was still a super human effort by LBJ in this finals

It's a weird term to define. Like Lebron obviously had a great side kick in Kyrie but he was also going against an insanely talented team and the drop off in depth of talent was steep. JR and Tristan Thomson were the only other legit role players, Love played horribly and got injured.

If averaging 30/11/9 (36/11/10 during the last 3 elimination games) being the best defender on the team isn't a carry what's the cut off? If you replace Irving with an elite impact defensive player like Tyson Chandler and some more depth does it make more of a carry? Irving scoring almost as much as LBJ (while getting less attention) apparently disqualifies him but Chandler being miles more impactful defensively doesn't disqualify Dirk?

I don't know if 2016 can be defined as a "carry" but it's certainly a larger load then virtually anyone else has had to bear

LeBron definitely had one of the most dominant all around performances of all time, more so than anything Jordan ever did. But again, his own teammate averaging 26 PPG can’t be ignored. That’s a massive contribution in what’s at the end of the day the most important part of basketball: scoring. I do agree that people blowing their load over Dirk are horribly overlooking chandlers contributions. He shouldn’t be winning this poll and it’s laughable that he is.

[SportsGuru08]

Unlike Hakeem in '94, Duncan in '03, or Dirk in '11, LeBron never did a "carry job" in any season where he won a championship. Even the supposedly "washed up" Dwyane Wade in 2013 outscored every Spur and was a much better player than Vernon Maxwell, Stephen Jackson or Jason Terry ever were and about on par with second-threepeat Pippen in terms of Finals performances.

If we're going to go by non-Finals runs, then Jordan's 1989 playoff run is better than any of LeBron's including '07, '09 and '10. The Cavs were a Top 7 defense all three years and finished 2nd, 7th and 11th in rebounding respectively. The '89 Bulls were 11th in defense and 22nd in rebounding. Not to mention Chicago beat two 50 win teams in the '89 postseason while Cleveland beat one such team in '07, '09 and '10 put together. And the '89 Bulls were eliminated by a team much better than any of the teams that eliminated Cleveland in these years, particularly Orlando and an aging Boston team that played .500 ball for two thirds of the season.

Most of the experts had them beating Orlando in 2009 and Boston in 2010 so I'm not hearing these "played with bums" excuses.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/179971-orlando-magic-vs-cleveland-cavaliers-betting-odds-predictions-may-20th-2009
https://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4673946/experts-agree-cavs-the-pick

[Effigy]

Why wouldn’t Jokic be the answer here? Only guy on his team who ever made an all star team was cooked Deandre Jordan. And that was only one appearance.

[SportsGuru08]

Hakeem in 94 was a spectacular carry job. That’s numero uno.

Then you have the rest of ‘em.


Oh, and I can’t believe there’s an idiot in this thread trying to argue for including Jordan for all time carry jobs

Jordan 1989 is a better carry job than any of LeBron's and about on par with 2018. And I say this because the absolute best team in the NBA in 2018 was in the opposite conference from LeBron whereas the absolute best team in 1989 was in the same conference as Jordan, so naturally LeBron's playoff run lasted slightly longer by virtue of not playing a real team until the NBA Finals.

[JackZZ]

Carry job that didn't end up with a chip is less impressive and if you had star/superstar level wingman/men help (big help), that ain't carrying.

This thread/poll has agenda.
Let me translate this poll for you folks "Lebron (pick a year)" ... OP thinks Lebron is the GOAT of Carry Job to infinity and beyond.

Lebron best carry job was 2015 ... plus may be 2014 when Wade was hobbling.
2007 Final, he was registering .356 FG .200 3PT. 690 FT 22ppg/7rb/6.8ast/1st/0.5blk. That wasn't carrying ... That was BRICKING.

[Onlytimewilltel]

Hakeem in 94 was a spectacular carry job. That’s numero uno.

Then you have the rest of ‘em.


Oh, and I can’t believe there’s an idiot in this thread trying to argue for including Jordan for all time carry jobs

Jordan 1989 is a better carry job than any of LeBron's and about on par with 2018. And I say this because the absolute best team in the NBA in 2018 was in the opposite conference from LeBron whereas the absolute best team in 1989 was in the same conference as Jordan, so naturally LeBron's playoff run lasted slightly longer by virtue of not playing a real team until the NBA Finals.

I’m talking about title teams carry jobs. Jordan’s teams were always the favorite to win their finals appearances. Always.

And I never mentioned LeBron

[SportsGuru08]

Hakeem in 94 was a spectacular carry job. That’s numero uno.

Then you have the rest of ‘em.


Oh, and I can’t believe there’s an idiot in this thread trying to argue for including Jordan for all time carry jobs

Jordan 1989 is a better carry job than any of LeBron's and about on par with 2018. And I say this because the absolute best team in the NBA in 2018 was in the opposite conference from LeBron whereas the absolute best team in 1989 was in the same conference as Jordan, so naturally LeBron's playoff run lasted slightly longer by virtue of not playing a real team until the NBA Finals.

I’m talking about title teams carry jobs. Jordan’s teams were always the favorite to win their finals appearances. Always.

And I never mentioned LeBron

This poll includes non Finals runs. Moron.

Personal attacks are not allowed. Disagree with the post but don't insult the poster. -b

[nikster]

I never said that LBJ carry the team in the 2016 finals like some others and of course without Kyrie,the cavs don't win,but it was still a super human effort by LBJ in this finals

It's a weird term to define. Like Lebron obviously had a great side kick in Kyrie but he was also going against an insanely talented team and the drop off in depth of talent was steep. JR and Tristan Thomson were the only other legit role players, Love played horribly and got injured.

If averaging 30/11/9 (36/11/10 during the last 3 elimination games) being the best defender on the team isn't a carry what's the cut off? If you replace Irving with an elite impact defensive player like Tyson Chandler and some more depth does it make more of a carry? Irving scoring almost as much as LBJ (while getting less attention) apparently disqualifies him but Chandler being miles more impactful defensively doesn't disqualify Dirk?

I don't know if 2016 can be defined as a "carry" but it's certainly a larger load then virtually anyone else has had to bear

LeBron definitely had one of the most dominant all around performances of all time, more so than anything Jordan ever did. But again, his own teammate averaging 26 PPG can’t be ignored. That’s a massive contribution in what’s at the end of the day the most important part of basketball: scoring. I do agree that people blowing their load over Dirk are horribly overlooking chandlers contributions. He shouldn’t be winning this poll and it’s laughable that he is.

Yeah I agree Kyrie makes it hard to call it a carry, but the Dirk comparison shows how much more perception offense takes in teammate support. Dirk was like the 3rd or 4th most important defender on the team and playing with a DPOY level Centre who made a massive improvement for that team. Lebron was by far the best defender for the cavs and TT the only above average defender in the starting lineup up for thr cavs.

[nikster]

Unlike Hakeem in '94, Duncan in '03, or Dirk in '11, LeBron never did a "carry job" in any season where he won a championship. Even the supposedly "washed up" Dwyane Wade in 2013 outscored every Spur and was a much better player than Vernon Maxwell, Stephen Jackson or Jason Terry ever were and about on par with second-threepeat Pippen in terms of Finals performances.

If we're going to go by non-Finals runs, then Jordan's 1989 playoff run is better than any of LeBron's including '07, '09 and '10. The Cavs were a Top 7 defense all three years and finished 2nd, 7th and 11th in rebounding respectively. The '89 Bulls were 11th in defense and 22nd in rebounding. Not to mention Chicago beat two 50 win teams in the '89 postseason while Cleveland beat one such team in '07, '09 and '10 put together. And the '89 Bulls were eliminated by a team much better than any of the teams that eliminated Cleveland in these years, particularly Orlando and an aging Boston team that played .500 ball for two thirds of the season.

Most of the experts had them beating Orlando in 2009 and Boston in 2010 so I'm not hearing these "played with bums" excuses.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/179971-orlando-magic-vs-cleveland-cavaliers-betting-odds-predictions-may-20th-2009
https://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4673946/experts-agree-cavs-the-pick

I don't understand the logic behind your argument for the non finals runs and then excluding Lebrons 2018 run. By those arguments 2018 was the bigger carry job. Those Cavs were ranked 29th in defense , 23rd in rebounding. He beat a 48, 55 and 59 win team on the way to the finals and lost to arguably the most talented team of all time

[CzBoobie]

Unlike Hakeem in '94, Duncan in '03, or Dirk in '11, LeBron never did a "carry job" in any season where he won a championship. Even the supposedly "washed up" Dwyane Wade in 2013 outscored every Spur and was a much better player than Vernon Maxwell, Stephen Jackson or Jason Terry ever were and about on par with second-threepeat Pippen in terms of Finals performances.

Wade averaged 12.6 ppg in ECS against Chicago and 15.4 ppg in ECF against Indiana, both times outscored by THREE players on the opposing team. I guess only the Finals count to carry jobs - not how you get there in the first place.

[Iwasawitness]

Hakeem in 94 was a spectacular carry job. That’s numero uno.

Then you have the rest of ‘em.


Oh, and I can’t believe there’s an idiot in this thread trying to argue for including Jordan for all time carry jobs

Jordan 1989 is a better carry job than any of LeBron's and about on par with 2018. And I say this because the absolute best team in the NBA in 2018 was in the opposite conference from LeBron whereas the absolute best team in 1989 was in the same conference as Jordan, so naturally LeBron's playoff run lasted slightly longer by virtue of not playing a real team until the NBA Finals.

I don't understand the logic behind your argument for the non finals runs and then excluding Lebrons 2018 run. By those arguments 2018 was the bigger carry job. Those Cavs were ranked 29th in defense , 23rd in rebounding. He beat a 48, 55 and 59 win team on the way to the finals and lost to arguably the most talented team of all time

It's sportsguru. His arguments never make sense.

[MavsDirk41]

Hakeem in 94 was a spectacular carry job. That’s numero uno.

Then you have the rest of ‘em.


Oh, and I can’t believe there’s an idiot in this thread trying to argue for including Jordan for all time carry jobs

Well im glad we got your input now! Was waiting on you to enlighten us. I feel blessed now.

[MavsDirk41]

Just lol at how hard it is for you to give LeBron any credit. He literally led both teams in the 5 major statistical categories, something that has never been done. All you can say to that is "well Kyrie.was awesome!". Newsflash: if you're going to beat a 73-9 team, you need more than 1 player playing well. Kyrie hasn't done **** without LeBron.

Your hate for LeBron is reaching deranged levels.

TajFTW

Keep making false accusations about me and I'll have a word with the moderators about your behavior.

How many times have i asked you to quit responding to my post kid?

[Iwasawitness]

Hakeem in 94 was a spectacular carry job. That’s numero uno.

Then you have the rest of ‘em.


Oh, and I can’t believe there’s an idiot in this thread trying to argue for including Jordan for all time carry jobs

Well im glad we got your input now! Was waiting on you to enlighten us. I feel blessed now.

To be fair I think he was referring to sportsguru. At least your argument makes some sense even if I don't agree with it.

[bledredwine]

Hakeem in 94 was a spectacular carry job. That’s numero uno.

Then you have the rest of ‘em.


Oh, and I can’t believe there’s an idiot in this thread trying to argue for including Jordan for all time carry jobs

Spoiler:

You must be an absolute moron to say something like that.

-Personal Attack

Or just young. Jordan carried harder in his young career than anyone on this list.
If you actually knew basketball, this would be a given. But I get it, you don't like him. That's fine.

Now, you probably haven't heard of him, but here's a quote from an all time great and contemporary of Jordan, Larry Bird

"Early on, people were saying Michael didn't have a team mentality. That's because he didn't have a team." - Larry Bird

Pippen wasn't even a star until 1990 so Jordan had to carry all the way through 1989 and did plenty of offensive carry jobs afterwards, including some of the greatest (and arguable greatest) of all time.

1989 playoffs -
Jordan
34.8, 7, 7.6 on 51% fg 80% FT
Pippen
13.1, 7.6, 3.9 on 46% FG and 64% FT
Cartwright
11.8, 7.1, 1.2 on 49% FG% and 70% FT

Watch on YouTube

Look at all of those double teams! Unlike many players on this list, such as Lebron, who Popovich left open in the finals as a strategy, Jordan was constantly getting double teamed and teams like the Pistons focused specifically on Jordan. That's how dominant he was and how hard he carried the offense.

So why didn't Jordan participate in some of the best carry jobs of all time?
Maybe because you don't know anything about young Jordan and like your favorite player more?

Go ahead and give me actual stats and evidence instead of your ignorant generalities


Personal attacks are (still) not allowed. Disagree with the post but don't insult the poster. No need for the "moron" stuff, everyone. -b

[EmpireFalls]

I can’t believe there are people who believe the answer is anyone other than Hakeem Olajuwon.

[tsherkin]

Unlike Hakeem in '94, Duncan in '03, or Dirk in '11, LeBron never did a "carry job" in any season where he won a championship.

Worth mentioning the outlier level of performance from the guys involved in those titles AROUND those guys. Particularly Dirk and Hakeem. Like, Stephen Jackson was killing it against the Mavs in the WCFs in 03. Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, a bunch of guys were slaying it on the Rockets. And the Mavs SAVED Dirk a couple times in the Finals when he had brutal first halves. Like in Game 2, when he was 3/10 in the first half and the game was tied, giving him space to go 7/10 and hit the game-winner against Bosh.

"Carry jobs" are a little bit of a myth when we're speaking of title-winning seasons.

[MavsDirk41]

Hakeem in 94 was a spectacular carry job. That’s numero uno.

Then you have the rest of ‘em.


Oh, and I can’t believe there’s an idiot in this thread trying to argue for including Jordan for all time carry jobs

Well im glad we got your input now! Was waiting on you to enlighten us. I feel blessed now.

To be fair I think he was referring to sportsguru. At least your argument makes some sense even if I don't agree with it.

10-4 maybe so! There have been many incredible “carry jobs” before by tons of star players and its hard to choose just one. But i think calling someone an idiot for having an opinion on here is ridiculous. Disagree, fine, give a rebuttal though or ignore. I agree with him about Hakeem. Incredible run he had. Just no need for a bunch of insults.