Cade Cunningham should be an all star

[tsherkin]

What are you talking about? Trae's TOV% is even higher than Cade's at 17.9%. Cade is 17.4%.

And? Assist volume relative to turnover production matters... I'm getting tired of repeating this concept. Raw TOV% doesn't mean anything if you don't consider passing volume/production at the same time.

This is the classic argument from Cade detractors. Ignore all the positive data (29/11/6 leading his team to a win in Atlanta) and just try to use a single stat (turnovers) to negate the rest. You're showing your true colors now.

No one is ignoring the positives. You just popped off as if he had this huge, incredible, flawless game and I responded.

[Mr Peanut]

What are you talking about? Trae's TOV% is even higher than Cade's at 17.9%. Cade is 17.4%.

And? Assist volume relative to turnover production matters... I'm getting tired of repeating this concept. Raw TOV% doesn't mean anything if you don't consider passing volume/production at the same time.

This is the classic argument from Cade detractors. Ignore all the positive data (29/11/6 leading his team to a win in Atlanta) and just try to use a single stat (turnovers) to negate the rest. You're showing your true colors now.

No one is ignoring the positives. You just popped off as if he had this huge, incredible, flawless game and I responded.

OK let's break down the numbers of your ratio:

Trae: Assist percentage 47.1%, turnover percentage 17.9% = 2.63

Cade: Assist percentage 44.0%, turnover percentage 17.4% = 2.53

You can keep repeating the concept, but these ratios are only marginally different. So once again, I'm not sure how you concluded that Trae is much better at protecting the ball.

[tsherkin]

OK let's break down the numbers of your ratio:

Trae: Assist percentage 47.1%, turnover percentage 17.9% = 2.63

Cade: Assist percentage 44.0%, turnover percentage 17.4% = 2.53

You can keep repeating the concept, but these ratios are only marginally different. So once again, I'm not sure how you concluded that Trae is much better at protecting the ball.

Sure, but Cade's Handle TOV% is 3.5% versus Trae's 1.9%. The bad passes, sure, they're a little similar, but that's not the only component of ball protection. Cade's non-pass TOV% is 5.8% versus 4.1% for Trae.

So yes, I was probably overstating it a little bit based on raw APG, but it's still pretty clear top to bottom that Cade doesn't protect the ball as well as Trae.

[chilluminati]

we in

[MMyhre]

This isn't accurate.

His playmaking alone has him a clear positive on offense. He isn't elite and his scoring holds him back, but to suggest he has "garbage type of zero impact play" is startlingly ignorant. He is very much not "the most overrated player in NBA history," that isn't an especially apt or insightful remark at all.

His assist to turnover ratio being mediocre to poor? puts a clamp on how valuable his playmaking is, even if it is a positive we can`t really praise him for 10 turnovers with 7 assists and say that its really his teams fault because they are stupid. The best playmakers make reads and adjustments before things happen and during the game.

Odd player, the volume stats kind of scream star to me, but its tough to know the true value. I found it a bit hilarious that bball ref had his similarity scores through 3 years with true greats like Isaac Bonga, Daequan Cook and Moochie Norris. Thats a high bar to reach.

Similarity score? Really? Your basketball insight unironically has close to zero value. You cited a stat that is completely and totally worthless for a guy 39 games into his 4th season (3rd full, missed almost all of his 4th year) and made it very evident that a) you haven't watched a minute of Cade and b) have very little grasp on stats. Most of the posters who have criticized Cade in this thread (outside of Cpt Crunch) at least had some substance to their criticism.

Anyway...Cade's turnovers need to go down for him to take that next step. I don't necessarily think it's fair to blame the rest of the team, because with the added shooting of Beasley/Harris/Hardaway Jr he actually has more spacing than he's ever had. It would be. nice if we had a big that could consistently stretch the floor too, but most of Cade's turnovers are just being lazy/telegraphed or being too ambitious with some of his passes. With the way he's improved this season I fully expect him to shore that weakness up.

It was a joking jab, it wasn`t like I stated anything by mentioning it. AngermanJohnny

[Mr Peanut]

Just glad that common sense prevailed in the end.

[JujitsuFlip]

Was pretty easy to understand he was gonna make it.

[MrBigShot]

Vintage Cade tonight. 7/26 shooting.

Shows 3 years of this garbage type of zero impact play. Plaiyng 20 games of good basketball and some think Cade isn't actually the most overrated player in NBA history.

Cade with a 40 piece in a win after being named an all star

Enjoy that sweet crow chief

[Han Solo]

I honestly think with the “superstar” vacuum in the league - Cade could be a top 5 player in the league.

I wouldn’t trade him for anyone. He can score on anyone in the league. He plays tough as hell. Cade is the first super-star we’ve had since Grant Hill

[TheGeneral99]

I honestly think with the “superstar” vacuum in the league - Cade could be a top 5 player in the league.

I wouldn’t trade him for anyone. He can score on anyone in the league. He plays tough as hell. Cade is the first super-star we’ve had since Grant Hill

What's the vacuum?

We have legit superstars in Jokic, Doncic, Shai, Giannis, Embiid (when healthy) who are the top 5 players.

We have aging superstars in Steph, Lebron, AD, Durant, Harden, Kawhi, George, Butler, Kyrie etc. still playing at a very high level, but no longer top 5 players.

We have elite all-stars in their prime like Tatum, Edwards, Wemby, Mitchell, Brunson, Booker, Morant (when healthy), Towns, Trae, Sabonis, Brown, Garland etc.

We have up and coming all-star talent under the age of 25 like Cade, Barnes, Mobley, Jalen Williams, Sengun, Wagner, Jaren Jackson, Fox, Maxey, Haliburton, Ball, Herro etc.

Ton of talent, great mix of new superstars, old superstars, new young all-stars etc.

[doogie_hauser]

38//7/12 tonight for Cade along with 1 steal and 3 blocks as the Pistons win their 3rd game in a row.

He has been playing at an All NBA first team/MVP level for 3 plus months now

Cade the Blade is the real deal and will be legitimately a top ten player sooner rather than later !

[Sweet Serenity]

38//7/12 tonight for Cade along with 1 steal and 3 blocks as the Pistons win their 3rd game in a row.

He has been playing at an All NBA first team/MVP level for 3 plus months now

Cade the Blade is the real deal and will be legitimately a top ten player sooner rather than later !

They’ve won 6 games in a a row & went 8-2 in their last 10.

It’s been awesome seeing the massive turnaround by the team this season.

[chilluminati]

38//7/12 tonight for Cade along with 1 steal and 3 blocks as the Pistons win their 3rd game in a row.

He has been playing at an All NBA first team/MVP level for 3 plus months now

Cade the Blade is the real deal and will be legitimately a top ten player sooner rather than later !

Music to my ears brother, it's been a sad cold 17 year long winter of sucking eggs.

[doogie_hauser]

38//7/12 tonight for Cade along with 1 steal and 3 blocks as the Pistons win their 3rd game in a row.

He has been playing at an All NBA first team/MVP level for 3 plus months now

Cade the Blade is the real deal and will be legitimately a top ten player sooner rather than later !

Music to my ears brother, it's been a sad cold 17 year long winter of sucking eggs.

Detriot is a proper Hoops city, an historic franchise with a rich history that have been down for way too long.

I knew Cade was going to be a superstar as far back as 2/3 years ago, he always plays hard and gives teh Celtics headaches when we have played them (even though you haven't gotten the dub in that time)

Is a very fearless and ambitious competitor, afraid of no opponent (team or player)

And he has really improved defensively too.

I am genuinely delighted for you long suffering Pistons fans, I said pre season that I thought Detriot would be big improvers this season !

Cade's emergence really should be talked about more in the media tbh

[tmorgan]

Cade’s on the rise and is bringing Duren with him.

[JackTalkThai]

Cade Cunningham should not be a all star and probably never will make the all-star

That is Gold Jerry. Gold.

[The Moose]

Just moved into the top 20 for EPM this season

Amazing season from him thus far, dragging this franchise out of years of poverty

[magee]

It's a crime if he doesn't make an All-NBA team this season.

[bstein14]

It's a crime if he doesn't make an All-NBA team this season.

He's got about $50 million riding on it for his max contract extension I believe.

[magee]

Was his the first to be an escalating extension signed if he makes it? I think it was his draft that is eligible for it, right?