Shams: Grizzlies trade Desmond Bane to Magic for KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 1sts, 1 Pick Swap...

[Bucks4005]

Do you not think this is a significant overpay?

Overpay yes, significant? To be seen. We still have our entire core.

I think every board overrates picks. I was defending the Gobert/Mikal trades while 99% of people were reacting this same way.

I'll take a 26 year old 22/5/5 guy on 48/41/90 to a team desperate for shooting.

We still need point guard play, but I think we should or could use our MLE to get that in addition to already having Suggs/Bane/AB/Franz/Paolo all handle the ball.

You're not looking at future 1sts as what they are, which is basically currency. They might be overvalued but they're a major component of the packages that land stars. We have plenty of examples of both successes and failures with these all-in trades, but making one for a player like Bane could be a huge mistake on the basis that a much better player could become available.

Example: maybe mid-season Giannis does indeed ask for a trade, and a package around Wagner + 4 picks is able to land him, especially if Phoenix is having a really bad season. Maybe Booker becomes available next summer, and I don't think there will be a great market for him. Maybe the Sixers decide to go full rebuild and look to trade Maxey in a year. And if they decide to hold off and Memphis trades Bane elsewhere, the opportunity to trade for a player of his caliber is always going to be there with a package like that.

Or maybe none of these things happen and what, the Magic are just forced to ride the treadmill? Like, if Bane is available and fits your needs, you can’t just say “Well, this might happen later on, so we’re not gonna bother.” Like, how can you plan your team building around a potential player maybe asking out in the future? It doesn’t seem Giannis is going to be traded, what if the Pacers, thinking Giannis was gonna ask out, hoarded their picks and didn’t trade for Siakam last year?
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I mean, if the player is available, you can’t really say in the moment “well, this might happen in the future, so we can’t consider it.” You just have to consider how it improves the team in the moment now, how many assets you’re giving up, and the offer you can make, etc. But you can’t just based your entire thinking on things that might happen later on. Especially when of all the things you listed, none of those things could happen. Ar ethe Magic just supposed to tank for 2 years waiting for some of these things to potentially never come?

[Zeno]

I like this for both teams. An under-rated part of Bane’s deal is that it is quite reasonable as far as max contracts go because it started before the annual 10% increases to the cap. Orlando also still is able to move their 2026. 1st, because they moved the Suns 1st instead of the own in that year and still have their own 2027 1st (though that one can’t be traded).

[TheAlchemist]

The Magic think they can go to the finals next year with Indiana and NYK success and the vacuum in the east.

Desmond Bane - Franz - Banchero trio , can they make the finals? Can they make it far in the playoffs? They got Jonathan Isaac and Suggs as guys who make money too. It's interesting.

Oh yeah, and Suggs is out so who's their point guard?

[floppymoose]

[KGDirkTD_Fan]

Love the trade, hate the price they paid for it. Too many picks, I do respect the front office not standing pat with this team with how open the east is.

Although to be fair given the valuable cap situation. If I was the GM and this was the best deal I can find I don't think I'd be able to punt on it waiting to see if they will make another jump. Eventually I would have to start paying all these guys. At some point there is a price of running it back and it's probably too much at this point.

[pepe1991]

Bane fits Magic roster, to a degree. Still no PG on roster.

But price was too high.

This will test how open East really is for next season.

[canada_dry]

So...The magic think bane is a point guard...?

This being their all in move is very underwhelming imo. For a team that just didn't upgrade talent when it was available year after year until KCP , which turned out to be rough to then make this move... that's really tough. Huge price on a sub all star type player.

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[SOUL]

The Magic think they can go to the finals next year with Indiana and NYK success and the vacuum in the east.

Desmond Bane - Franz - Banchero trio , can they make the finals? Can they make it far in the playoffs? They got Jonathan Isaac and Suggs as guys who make money too. It's interesting.

Oh yeah, and Suggs is out so who's their point guard?

Suggs should be healthy by the start of the season. Moe Wagner might be out later.

[Mad Guru]

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Now it’s bad. Giving up the Phoenix 1st that could be number 1 next year. wtf are they doing? I know KCP and Cole are bad contracts but still.

Washington would get the pick if it is number 1

[titlebound1]

They should have called up Boston and asked about White

[JujitsuFlip]

I like Bane, but this is a big overpay for a team that isn't that close to contending. You need a superstar already on the roster to justify an all-in trade like this.

I'm not convinced Paolo is that guy.

The pacers didn't have a superstar when they traded for siakim and here they are in the NBA finals tied 2-2.

Pacers traded less draft capital and Siakam was a 2x All-Star, NBA Champ, 2x All-NBA, and MiP... Not exactly similar at all to Bane who hasn't accomplished anything in the NBA yet.

[NyKnicks1714]

Overpay yes, significant? To be seen. We still have our entire core.

I think every board overrates picks. I was defending the Gobert/Mikal trades while 99% of people were reacting this same way.

I'll take a 26 year old 22/5/5 guy on 48/41/90 to a team desperate for shooting.

We still need point guard play, but I think we should or could use our MLE to get that in addition to already having Suggs/Bane/AB/Franz/Paolo all handle the ball.

You're not looking at future 1sts as what they are, which is basically currency. They might be overvalued but they're a major component of the packages that land stars. We have plenty of examples of both successes and failures with these all-in trades, but making one for a player like Bane could be a huge mistake on the basis that a much better player could become available.

Example: maybe mid-season Giannis does indeed ask for a trade, and a package around Wagner + 4 picks is able to land him, especially if Phoenix is having a really bad season. Maybe Booker becomes available next summer, and I don't think there will be a great market for him. Maybe the Sixers decide to go full rebuild and look to trade Maxey in a year. And if they decide to hold off and Memphis trades Bane elsewhere, the opportunity to trade for a player of his caliber is always going to be there with a package like that.

Or maybe none of these things happen and what, the Magic are just forced to ride the treadmill? Like, if Bane is available and fits your needs, you can’t just say “Well, this might happen later on, so we’re not gonna bother.” Like, how can you plan your team building around a potential player maybe asking out in the future? It doesn’t seem Giannis is going to be traded, what if the Pacers, thinking Giannis was gonna ask out, hoarded their picks and didn’t trade for Siakam last year?
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I mean, if the player is available, you can’t really say in the moment “well, this might happen in the future, so we can’t consider it.” You just have to consider how it improves the team in the moment now, how many assets you’re giving up, and the offer you can make, etc. But you can’t just based your entire thinking on things that might happen later on. Especially when of all the things you listed, none of those things could happen. Ar ethe Magic just supposed to tank for 2 years waiting for some of these things to potentially never come?

As a general rule well yeah, you can't always just hold off in case something better comes along. But when you're talking abouut three unprotected picks and a swap for a non- or borderline All-star, even if he fits well, then yes holding off can very well be the best option. I don't think there's a world where Orlando winds up seriously regretting not trading for Bane, but there's a lot of potential for them to regret making the trade. And the upside isn't high enough. They're not going to be contenders.

[thelead]

They should have called up Boston and asked about White

Maybe they did and he’s untouchable? I know I wouldn’t trade White if I was running Boston.

[Knicks365247]

I’ve read how the Magic don’t want a traditional PG since it would take the ball out of Paolo’s hands, who is a fine distributor himself.

Bane can be a secondary distributor and to great effect, he averaged 5.3 apg last season.

I like the trade for the Magic, especially with how wide open the East is now at the top.

[basketballRob]

It also leaves at the fact that once you commit to a core, you have to start paying your core big money. With the cap apron the way it is, the only way to add players for cheap is either via the draft or vet min signings. So Orlando loses their ability to add players via the draft, and no one particularly wants to sign there.

We still have a FRP pick this year, one in 2027, and one in 2029 over the next 5 drafts. It’s not that dire.

Cavs fans were saying the same thing when they dealt so many assets for Mitchell, a better player than Bane. They are no doubt a good RS team but they can't get out of the 2nd round in the EC. Meanwhile they are handcuffed by the 2nd apron and a lack of draft picks.

They have like 12 second round picks.

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[Iwasawitness]

I mean, people saying this is an overpay, but this is a 20-5-5 player, been part of good defensive teams, has size and fixes their biggest issue in 3 point shooting.

Plus, everyone says these major trades don’t work lit, but in the end, aren’t they closer to 50-50 it seems working out?

Like, Durant, Harden, and Lillard trades have failed for the teams that made them, sure.

But then you got the Jrue who helped get the Bucks a championship. Mitchell and Gobert got their teams over the initial hump of being a borderline playoff team and now their perenial contenders. Mikel even was a key piece in the Knicks finally making a ECF.

Like, everyone sees 4 first rounders and says overpay. But in general, almost always these teams end up much better and contend in the playoffs, even with the Harden, George, Durant type trades.

In terms of impact, I get it, they don’t have
a true PG, but cant really afford not to start Suggs because his defense is that impactful for a G, but now they legitimately have 3 20-5-5 type players all in their starting lineup. Like, you can run your offense through any one of them any given possession, that’s something not every team has.

If u were them, I’d look to package Carter for a better bench big who can spread the floor a bit more or 3 point volume type PG/SG type to spread the floor. Feel Wagner the C is a better fit offensively for this team due to the spacing and the overall size with the rest of the starting lineup will offset some the potential defensive/boards issue starting Moritz might bring.

The big issue is this isn't what Orlando needed. Who is going to run their offense? It's just going to be a "your turn, my turn" offense. That's easy to exploit in the playoffs.

Well, the first issue, before worrying about being exploited in the playoffs, is actually being a perennially playoff contender. Like, a lock for one of the top 6 seeds year in and year out. Worrying about being exposed in the playoffs isnt as big a problem for teams that are contending for the play-in most years like the Magic have, who are trying to take step 1. I mean, saying that this offense could get exposed in the playoffs is kinda putting the cart before the horse. The point is this trade actually attempts to accomplish the very first step, just making it in a high enough seed to actually do something.

And how isn’t this what Orlando needed? They needed a high volume 3 point shooter and spacing, this is a near 40% high volume 3 point shooter who is a high MPG starter that contributes in all areas. Who doesn’t need or want that player exactly? You ask who’s going to run the offense, they can try and work it with all 3 of Wagner, Banchero, and Bane. Sure, it’s not traditional like having one specific high volume guy like some teams have, but considering everything else Bane brings to the offense that they needed, trying it with those 3 first without a traditional PG/high volume creator is worth a shot just due to the overall spacing Bane can provide with the efficient passing he brings. Just because he Magic don’t do it like other teams doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

One three point shooting threat isn't going to solve Orlandos main issue, which is the lack of a point guard to run their offense. Getting a consistent three point threat isn't something you should be giving up four first round picks for. You should be using that on a superstar caliber player or someone that completes what you're missing. This isn't that.

[Audi]

Magic set the market. 3 unprotected picks and a swap for Desmond Bane is very rich. Idk what giannis will go for now

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“4 unprotected firsts” is a strange, click-baitey way to put it considering one of them is already solidified at #16 and the PHX/WAS is rights to a pick swap contingent on whichever being the least favorable of the two.

[basketballRob]

The big issue is this isn't what Orlando needed. Who is going to run their offense? It's just going to be a "your turn, my turn" offense. That's easy to exploit in the playoffs.

Well, the first issue, before worrying about being exploited in the playoffs, is actually being a perennially playoff contender. Like, a lock for one of the top 6 seeds year in and year out. Worrying about being exposed in the playoffs isnt as big a problem for teams that are contending for the play-in most years like the Magic have, who are trying to take step 1. I mean, saying that this offense could get exposed in the playoffs is kinda putting the cart before the horse. The point is this trade actually attempts to accomplish the very first step, just making it in a high enough seed to actually do something.

And how isn’t this what Orlando needed? They needed a high volume 3 point shooter and spacing, this is a near 40% high volume 3 point shooter who is a high MPG starter that contributes in all areas. Who doesn’t need or want that player exactly? You ask who’s going to run the offense, they can try and work it with all 3 of Wagner, Banchero, and Bane. Sure, it’s not traditional like having one specific high volume guy like some teams have, but considering everything else Bane brings to the offense that they needed, trying it with those 3 first without a traditional PG/high volume creator is worth a shot just due to the overall spacing Bane can provide with the efficient passing he brings. Just because he Magic don’t do it like other teams doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

One three point shooting threat isn't going to solve Orlandos main issue, which is the lack of a point guard to run their offense. Getting a consistent three point threat isn't something you should be giving up four first round picks for. You should be using that on a superstar caliber player or someone that completes what you're missing. This isn't that.

D White 5.0 apg per 36 mpg
Jrue 4.5 apg per 36 mpg

Suggs 4.6 apg per 36 mpg
Bane 6.0 apg per 36 mpg


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[Ito]

They coulda gotten a player just as good as Bane with just one of those picks prolly to tell you the truth..

Really how?

By making a good pick maybe.. guy doesn’t read much I bet

[JJ_PR]

I really like this trade for the Magic. Bane is a great addition to their roster, and what they gave up isn't all that crazy. KCP is a negative contract, and those picks are decent but not spectacular.