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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#321 » by jbk1234 » Mon Oct 6, 2025 11:54 pm

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both the lakers and raptors deserve picks and i wont only be just once so you can send to both.... Theres an interview where george says him and kawhi were expecting to go to the raptors


No they don't. Neither team reported the ask from Leonard’s camp when it happened.


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-lakers-raptors-have-complained-about-the-way-clippers-kawhi-leonard-handled-his-decision-report-says/

History disagrees with you.


Not even close. Complaining to Brian Windhorst that you got *played* is nothing like reporting to league that Leonard’s uncle asked for off the books compensation.
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Post#322 » by inonba » Tue Oct 7, 2025 3:30 am

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No they don't. Neither team reported the ask from Leonard’s camp when it happened.


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-lakers-raptors-have-complained-about-the-way-clippers-kawhi-leonard-handled-his-decision-report-says/

History disagrees with you.


Not even close. Complaining to Brian Windhorst that you got *played* is nothing like reporting to league that Leonard’s uncle asked for off the books compensation.


Is Brian Windhorst Adam Silver's new pet name? I suggest you do your own research and find the evidence you would find sufficient. It was widely reported in 2019 first by The Athletic's Sam Amick, again in 2020 when Jerry West was investigated for tampering, and again in the recent days the NBA conducted an investigation into Uncle Dennis and found no evidence any of the demands were granted. It was also something the few Clippers fan kept repeating in the last thread as exoneration from tying the salary cap circumvention back to 2019.

Like the car in front of me refusing to move, I'm unsure if there's a particular shade of green you're looking for the traffic light to change to. It's best you find your own source that'll satisfy your own curiosity but once again, history disagrees with you.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#323 » by jbk1234 » Tue Oct 7, 2025 4:45 am

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Not even close. Complaining to Brian Windhorst that you got *played* is nothing like reporting to league that Leonard’s uncle asked for off the books compensation.


Is Brian Windhorst Adam Silver's new pet name? I suggest you do your own research and find the evidence you would find sufficient. It was widely reported in 2019 first by The Athletic's Sam Amick, again in 2020 when Jerry West was investigated for tampering, and again in the recent days the NBA conducted an investigation into Uncle Dennis and found no evidence any of the demands were granted. It was also something the few Clippers fan kept repeating in the last thread as exoneration from tying the salary cap circumvention back to 2019.

Like the car in front of me refusing to move, I'm unsure if there's a particular shade of green you're looking for the traffic light to change to. It's best you find your own source that'll satisfy your own curiosity but once again, history disagrees with you.


I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing how two teams who Leonard’s uncle (allegedly) tried to shake down should be rewarded with picks when they themselves failed to immediately report the request to the league office.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#324 » by inonba » Tue Oct 7, 2025 5:11 am

jbk1234 wrote:I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing how two teams who Leonard’s uncle (allegedly) tried to shake down should be rewarded with picks when they themselves failed to immediately report the request to the league office.


Two separate issues. One, both the Raptors and the Lakers reported the inappropriate asks to the league in 2019. An investigation did happen in 2019 as stated repeatedly, so I have no idea where you got the idea neither failed to report the request to the league office. "Immediately" is a broad term. Are you complaining they didn't stop Uncle Dennis mid sentence and alert the league before he can finish asking for part ownership ?

Second, the league has no precedent in rewarding damages to the teams that were harmed. I don't believe this will change in this case. Out of the 2 teams, the Raptors held Kawhi's bird rights so they are the party that was directly harmed. The Lakers don't have claim outside of some Lakers fans believing they have a right to every free agent to hit the market. Lakers argument is Kawhi "would've" signed with us "because everyone knows" he wanted to go home. That's not an argument that should be taken seriously.
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Post#325 » by JustLucky » Tue Oct 7, 2025 5:56 am

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i think NBA will probably find a way to address this.
1) The blame will goes to Uncle Dennis. Kawhi claims ignorance, saying he simply signed what they told him to
Uncle Dennis gets banned from NBA. In a way, NBA tries to shift blame to NBPA for allowing rogue non-agents interfering
2) Ballmer gets fined several million dollars
Clippers gets docked 2027 FRP (OKC has swap rights), which goes to LA Lakers who are the "victim", not Raps lol
3) Kawhi gets suspended 20 games
4) NBA Owners get quiet....owners that are not happy get silenced.
See the embarassing story about Vivek's daugther coming out.


both the lakers and raptors deserve picks and i wont only be just once so you can send to both.... Theres an interview where george says him and kawhi were expecting to go to the raptors


No they don't. Neither team reported the ask from Leonard’s camp when it happened.


they absolutely did. why do you think the nba did an investigation in 2019? they just did a poor job. oh other people pointed out your blatantly wrong info perfect. you never see so many confidently wrong people as you do on an internet forum.
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Post#326 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Tue Oct 7, 2025 9:55 am

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JustLucky wrote:its a time sensitive issue and if theres enough evidence (there is) kawhis contract should be voided before the season starts at the very least. because they can't be punished as much after his contract ends


Its not really time sensitive.

If you are hoping to see Kawhi's contract voided, I think you will be disappointed.

IMO three likely outcomes.
1.) No finding. Balmer was truly oblivious and this was arranged by someone other than the Clippers, maybe some kind of fine or suspension for KL.
2.) Obvious tampering, but really no direct evidence to show it, penalized losing a couple 2nd round picks or similar.
3.) Obvious tampering, with evidence - Large fine, 500k to 1m, multiple firsts lost, and possible rule changes to combat this type of thing.

I also wouldn't rule out some sort of silent punishment, where Silver and Balmer work something out, make some transaction, as amends for this action.

But again, the NBA, to protect itself from lawsuits must do its due diligence, via the investigation, to avoid being sued by the Clippers, etc.


I don't see how you can find the Clippers guilty and not void the contract, to be honest
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Post#327 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Tue Oct 7, 2025 10:00 am

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Not even close. Complaining to Brian Windhorst that you got *played* is nothing like reporting to league that Leonard’s uncle asked for off the books compensation.


Is Brian Windhorst Adam Silver's new pet name? I suggest you do your own research and find the evidence you would find sufficient. It was widely reported in 2019 first by The Athletic's Sam Amick, again in 2020 when Jerry West was investigated for tampering, and again in the recent days the NBA conducted an investigation into Uncle Dennis and found no evidence any of the demands were granted. It was also something the few Clippers fan kept repeating in the last thread as exoneration from tying the salary cap circumvention back to 2019.

Like the car in front of me refusing to move, I'm unsure if there's a particular shade of green you're looking for the traffic light to change to. It's best you find your own source that'll satisfy your own curiosity but once again, history disagrees with you.


I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing how two teams who Leonard’s uncle (allegedly) tried to shake down should be rewarded with picks when they themselves failed to immediately report the request to the league office.


the Lakers zero chance.
The Raptors won't happen, but at least we can say that Balmer had circumvent the cap to beat Toronto's offer. I would not be against that
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#328 » by jbk1234 » Tue Oct 7, 2025 12:15 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing how two teams who Leonard’s uncle (allegedly) tried to shake down should be rewarded with picks when they themselves failed to immediately report the request to the league office.


Two separate issues. One, both the Raptors and the Lakers reported the inappropriate asks to the league in 2019. An investigation did happen in 2019 as stated repeatedly, so I have no idea where you got the idea neither failed to report the request to the league office. "Immediately" is a broad term. Are you complaining they didn't stop Uncle Dennis mid sentence and alert the league before he can finish asking for part ownership ?

Second, the league has no precedent in rewarding damages to the teams that were harmed. I don't believe this will change in this case. Out of the 2 teams, the Raptors held Kawhi's bird rights so they are the party that was directly harmed. The Lakers don't have claim outside of some Lakers fans believing they have a right to every free agent to hit the market. Lakers argument is Kawhi "would've" signed with us "because everyone knows" he wanted to go home. That's not an argument that should be taken seriously.


The NBA conducted a formal investigation, of the Clippers and Leonard’s uncle, in December of 2019. He signed in July. If either the Raptors or the Lakers reported anything directly to the NBA, versous leaking to the media well after the fact, regarding the conduct of Leonard’s uncle: 1) The investigation would've begun before he even signed; and 2) it would've involved Leonard’s uncle's conduct with all three teams.
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Post#329 » by inonba » Tue Oct 7, 2025 3:02 pm

jbk1234 wrote:The NBA conducted a formal investigation, of the Clippers and Leonard’s uncle, in December of 2019. He signed in July. If either the Raptors or the Lakers reported anything directly to the NBA, versous leaking to the media well after the fact, regarding the conduct of Leonard’s uncle: 1) The investigation would've begun before he even signed; and 2) it would've involved Leonard’s uncle's conduct with all three teams.


I don't think anybody understands what your complaint is, but I suspect it has to do with a lack of understanding. The NBA started their investigation shortly after Kawhi signed with the Clippers in July 2019 and concluded the investigation in December 2019. The investigation was initiated following complaints made by both the Raptors and the Lakers as there was high suspicions as to how the Clippers managed to sign Kawhi mainly due to what his camp was demanding. The league closed the investigation after failing to find evidence that the Clippers had granted any of the illegal requests, but warnings were issued to the Clippers that the issue would be reopened if evidence arises.

Your complaint is the league would have begun their investigation before Kawhi sign, which means you are expecting both the Raptors and the Lakers to file their complaint before he formally signed his contract effectively sabotaging their own free agency. Is that correct ?
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Post#330 » by madmaxmedia » Tue Oct 7, 2025 5:26 pm

inonba wrote:
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Not even close. Complaining to Brian Windhorst that you got *played* is nothing like reporting to league that Leonard’s uncle asked for off the books compensation.


Is Brian Windhorst Adam Silver's new pet name? I suggest you do your own research and find the evidence you would find sufficient. It was widely reported in 2019 first by The Athletic's Sam Amick, again in 2020 when Jerry West was investigated for tampering, and again in the recent days the NBA conducted an investigation into Uncle Dennis and found no evidence any of the demands were granted. It was also something the few Clippers fan kept repeating in the last thread as exoneration from tying the salary cap circumvention back to 2019.

Like the car in front of me refusing to move, I'm unsure if there's a particular shade of green you're looking for the traffic light to change to. It's best you find your own source that'll satisfy your own curiosity but once again, history disagrees with you.


If any of that is going to be significant in this case, it will be after the NBA's lawyers talk to the actual firsthand sources, not to Brian Windhorst. I think that actually should happen as a natural part of their investigation. I think his point is just that Windhort's paraphrasing of off-the-record comments in an ESPN article need to be corroborated. It's possible other NBA owners decide they don't want to 'snitch' on a fellow owner, or maybe they'll tell all.

Regardless, I agree no one is being given picks as 'compensation'. Was there a significant suitor or two for Joe Smith back in the day? It doesn't matter.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#331 » by jbk1234 » Tue Oct 7, 2025 7:01 pm

inonba wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:The NBA conducted a formal investigation, of the Clippers and Leonard’s uncle, in December of 2019. He signed in July. If either the Raptors or the Lakers reported anything directly to the NBA, versous leaking to the media well after the fact, regarding the conduct of Leonard’s uncle: 1) The investigation would've begun before he even signed; and 2) it would've involved Leonard’s uncle's conduct with all three teams.


I don't think anybody understands what your complaint is, but I suspect it has to do with a lack of understanding. The NBA started their investigation shortly after Kawhi signed with the Clippers in July 2019 and concluded the investigation in December 2019. The investigation was initiated following complaints made by both the Raptors and the Lakers as there was high suspicions as to how the Clippers managed to sign Kawhi mainly due to what his camp was demanding. The league closed the investigation after failing to find evidence that the Clippers had granted any of the illegal requests, but warnings were issued to the Clippers that the issue would be reopened if evidence arises.

Your complaint is the league would have begun their investigation before Kawhi sign, which means you are expecting both the Raptors and the Lakers to file their complaint before he formally signed his contract effectively sabotaging their own free agency. Is that correct ?


I'm saying if you don't report the inappropriate conduct when it occurs, but wait until after the offending party's client signs elsewhere, you shouldn't be rewarded. You didn't do the right thing and report an attempt at salary cap circumvention when it occurred, you complained after you didn't like the outcome.

Also, I think you're taking all kinds of liberties with the reporting. I haven't seen an article where it is reported that either the Raptors or the Lakers filed a formal complaint detailing specifically what Leonard’s uncle requested. If you have a link, I'll read it. It seems odd the NBA would limit their investigation to what occurred with the Clippers if that was the complaint.
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Post#332 » by inonba » Tue Oct 7, 2025 10:03 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
inonba wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:The NBA conducted a formal investigation, of the Clippers and Leonard’s uncle, in December of 2019. He signed in July. If either the Raptors or the Lakers reported anything directly to the NBA, versous leaking to the media well after the fact, regarding the conduct of Leonard’s uncle: 1) The investigation would've begun before he even signed; and 2) it would've involved Leonard’s uncle's conduct with all three teams.


I don't think anybody understands what your complaint is, but I suspect it has to do with a lack of understanding. The NBA started their investigation shortly after Kawhi signed with the Clippers in July 2019 and concluded the investigation in December 2019. The investigation was initiated following complaints made by both the Raptors and the Lakers as there was high suspicions as to how the Clippers managed to sign Kawhi mainly due to what his camp was demanding. The league closed the investigation after failing to find evidence that the Clippers had granted any of the illegal requests, but warnings were issued to the Clippers that the issue would be reopened if evidence arises.

Your complaint is the league would have begun their investigation before Kawhi sign, which means you are expecting both the Raptors and the Lakers to file their complaint before he formally signed his contract effectively sabotaging their own free agency. Is that correct ?


I'm saying if you don't report the inappropriate conduct when it occurs, but wait until after the offending party's client signs elsewhere, you shouldn't be rewarded. You didn't do the right thing and report an attempt at salary cap circumvention when it occurred, you complained after you didn't like the outcome.

Also, I think you're taking all kinds of liberties with the reporting. I haven't seen an article where it is reported that either the Raptors or the Lakers filed a formal complaint detailing specifically what Leonard’s uncle requested. If you have a link, I'll read it. It seems odd the NBA would limit their investigation to what occurred with the Clippers if that was the complaint.


Ok. There is a misunderstanding of the rules. Lawrence Frank knows the rules, Steve Ballmer knows the rules, Kawhi knows the rules, but apparently you don't. Uncle Dennis was the person who did the inappropriate ask. Due to the fact that he's not employed by the NBA, the rules don't apply to him. The NBA subsequently closed the loophole and now only allows agents to negotiate on behalf of the players.

What you are not understanding is:
1. The breaking of the rules occur if a team granted the illegal request and not a family member asking for illegal perks. Reporting to the league before the contract is signed is the equivalent of preemptively shooting yourself in the foot as there's nothing to report before the contract is signed. The complaint stems from the suspicion that the Clippers granted the illegal perks due to Kawhi taking less guaranteed money from the team that didn't hold his bird rights. Despite your lack of understanding, both the Raptors and Lakers "did the right thing".
2. The media is not obligated to report every single detail. Just because there is a lack of detail from the reporting at the time, doesn't mean something didn't happen. What we know is both the Lakers and the Raptors DID file a complaint. You can infer from their complaint that the details of what Kawhi's camp was seeking was communicated to the league. Otherwise, no investigations could have occurred as the league wouldn't know what to look for. For those who think Brian Windhost is the league's source: Please get your head examined for trauma. We've only seen more details in the media as more sources are willing to talk after the scandal exploded.
3. The Clippers were the only party investigated because they're the team that signed the contract. Also, minority Larry Tannenbaum of was issued a warning from the league for talking endorsement numbers during contract negotiations.
4. What you think personally is inconsequential. The league has it's rules and penalties have never gone to the team that was harmed.
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Post#334 » by jbk1234 » Tue Oct 7, 2025 10:42 pm

inonba wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
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I don't think anybody understands what your complaint is, but I suspect it has to do with a lack of understanding. The NBA started their investigation shortly after Kawhi signed with the Clippers in July 2019 and concluded the investigation in December 2019. The investigation was initiated following complaints made by both the Raptors and the Lakers as there was high suspicions as to how the Clippers managed to sign Kawhi mainly due to what his camp was demanding. The league closed the investigation after failing to find evidence that the Clippers had granted any of the illegal requests, but warnings were issued to the Clippers that the issue would be reopened if evidence arises.

Your complaint is the league would have begun their investigation before Kawhi sign, which means you are expecting both the Raptors and the Lakers to file their complaint before he formally signed his contract effectively sabotaging their own free agency. Is that correct ?


I'm saying if you don't report the inappropriate conduct when it occurs, but wait until after the offending party's client signs elsewhere, you shouldn't be rewarded. You didn't do the right thing and report an attempt at salary cap circumvention when it occurred, you complained after you didn't like the outcome.

Also, I think you're taking all kinds of liberties with the reporting. I haven't seen an article where it is reported that either the Raptors or the Lakers filed a formal complaint detailing specifically what Leonard’s uncle requested. If you have a link, I'll read it. It seems odd the NBA would limit their investigation to what occurred with the Clippers if that was the complaint.


Ok. There is a misunderstanding of the rules. Lawrence Frank knows the rules, Steve Ballmer knows the rules, Kawhi knows the rules, but apparently you don't. Uncle Dennis was the person who did the inappropriate ask. Due to the fact that he's not employed by the NBA, the rules don't apply to him The NBA subsequently closed the loophole and now only allows agents to negotiate on behalf of the players.

What you are not understanding is:
1. The breaking of the rules occur if a team granted the illegal request and not a family member asking for illegal perks. Reporting to the league before the contract is signed is the equivalent of preemptively shooting yourself in the foot.
2. The media is not obligated to report every single detail. Just because there is a lack of detail from the reporting at the time, doesn't mean something didn't happen. What we know is both the Lakers and the Raptors DID file a complaint. You can infer from their complaint that the details of what Kawhi's camp was seeking was communicated to the league. Otherwise, no investigations could have occurred as the league wouldn't know what to look for.
3. The Clippers were the only party investigated because they're the team that signed the contract. Also, minority Larry Tannenbaum of was issued a warning from the league for talking endorsement numbers during contract negotiations.


Assuming you're correct that *family members* weren't covered expressly by the rules, the uncle is still acting as the nephew's "agent" as far as law, if not the CBA, is concerned. Leonard is bound by the rules and he can't circumvent them via a third party acting on his behalf. I'll be really disappointed in Silver if everything that was reported in press was contained in formal complaints from the Lakers and Raptors and the result was the result.
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Post#335 » by inonba » Tue Oct 7, 2025 10:48 pm

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Assuming you're correct that *family members* weren't covered expressly by the rules, the uncle is still acting as the nephew's "agent" as far as law, if not the CBA, is concerned. Leonard is bound by the rules and he can't circumvent them via a third party acting on his behalf. I'll be really disappointed in Silver if everything that was reported in press was contained in formal complaints from the Lakers and Raptors and the result was the result.


There is a difference between acting and actual. Uncle Dennis isn't on the NBA payroll, therefore the league has no mechanism to punish him specifically.
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Post#336 » by jbk1234 » Tue Oct 7, 2025 11:06 pm

inonba wrote:
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Assuming you're correct that *family members* weren't covered expressly by the rules, the uncle is still acting as the nephew's "agent" as far as law, if not the CBA, is concerned. Leonard is bound by the rules and he can't circumvent them via a third party acting on his behalf. I'll be really disappointed in Silver if everything that was reported in press was contained in formal complaints from the Lakers and Raptors and the result was the result.


There is a difference between acting and actual. Uncle Dennis isn't on the NBA payroll, therefore the league has no mechanism to punish him specifically.


Leonard was subject to the rules and he should've been punished. Further, the league has jurisdiction over all 30 teams and could have simply prevented them from having any communication with Leonard’s uncle going forward.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#337 » by ryguy613 » Tue Oct 7, 2025 11:22 pm

inonba wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Assuming you're correct that *family members* weren't covered expressly by the rules, the uncle is still acting as the nephew's "agent" as far as law, if not the CBA, is concerned. Leonard is bound by the rules and he can't circumvent them via a third party acting on his behalf. I'll be really disappointed in Silver if everything that was reported in press was contained in formal complaints from the Lakers and Raptors and the result was the result.


There is a difference between acting and actual. Uncle Dennis isn't on the NBA payroll, therefore the league has no mechanism to punish him specifically.


of course the NBA has a mechanism to punish Dennis specifically. He can be banned from participating in anything NBA related, including attendance at games and events, as well as having any communication with Kawhi's NBA business. So, at the very least, stop him from having any contact with whatever NBA team Kawhi is on.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#338 » by ryguy613 » Tue Oct 7, 2025 11:39 pm

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JustLucky wrote:its a time sensitive issue and if theres enough evidence (there is) kawhis contract should be voided before the season starts at the very least. because they can't be punished as much after his contract ends


Its not really time sensitive.

If you are hoping to see Kawhi's contract voided, I think you will be disappointed.

IMO three likely outcomes.
1.) No finding. Balmer was truly oblivious and this was arranged by someone other than the Clippers, maybe some kind of fine or suspension for KL.
2.) Obvious tampering, but really no direct evidence to show it, penalized losing a couple 2nd round picks or similar.
3.) Obvious tampering, with evidence - Large fine, 500k to 1m, multiple firsts lost, and possible rule changes to combat this type of thing.

I also wouldn't rule out some sort of silent punishment, where Silver and Balmer work something out, make some transaction, as amends for this action.

But again, the NBA, to protect itself from lawsuits must do its due diligence, via the investigation, to avoid being sued by the Clippers, etc.


Evidence and Proof are not the same thing. We already have a substantial amount of evidence that cap circumvention happened. The chances of the NBA coming up with cold hard proof is slim to none but for the billionth time, the CBA does not require that. We've literally already crossed the threshold for what's required to determine cap circumvention. Its just up to the NBA how they want to respond.
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Post#339 » by inonba » Tue Oct 7, 2025 11:40 pm

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Leonard was subject to the rules and he should've been punished. Further, the league has jurisdiction over all 30 teams and could have simply prevented them from having any communication with Leonard’s uncle going forward.


Hence why it was a loophole the league had to close. If you punish Kawhi for Uncle Dennis' actions, the player union would fight back and probably win. At the time, family members weren't barred from attending negotiations, and because Uncle Dennis wasn't employed by the league, he's under no obligation to know what the rules are.
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Re: Pablo Torre: Kawhi/Clippers/Ballmer/Aspiration Thread (part 2) 

Post#340 » by Clav » Tue Oct 7, 2025 11:55 pm

inonba wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Leonard was subject to the rules and he should've been punished. Further, the league has jurisdiction over all 30 teams and could have simply prevented them from having any communication with Leonard’s uncle going forward.


Hence why it was a loophole the league had to close. If you punish Kawhi for Uncle Dennis' actions, the player union would fight back and probably win. At the time, family members weren't barred from attending negotiations, and because Uncle Dennis wasn't employed by the league, he's under no obligation to know what the rules are.


Would DR be at risk in the court of law if they found something in the investigation to escalate it to such ? I feel like he's gonna be in hot water as a fall guy.
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