ECSF: P1 | (1) Toronto Raptors vs Cleveland Cavaliers (4) | TIED 0-0

raptor jesus · Post #3321 » by **raptor jesus** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:34 am

Can somebody tell me why Kevin Love's elbow to Derozan wasn't called a flagrant? Offensive players striking defenders w/ elbows is routinely ruled a flagrant.

TdotRap4Lyfe · Post #3322 » by **TdotRap4Lyfe** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:35 am

I got pretty depressed, had to go out for a walk. Gotta say the weather outside is fantastic.

NinjaBro · Post #3323 » by **NinjaBro** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:35 am

JordansBulls wrote:
NinjaBro wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:3-20 down the stretch. So horrible Raptors. Derozan should’ve went one on one for a jumper. Not pass to Vanfleet

actually I'm pretty happy Demar passed it to Vanvleet there. 99% of the time in past seasons he'll go one on one. Vanvleet is wide open so good decision by him, he's a better playmaker this season.
Too bad Vanvleet is still injured or he'd be playing the entire 4th and overtime but he had to sit.

If the guy is injured why would he be taking the key shot in a critical game?

Ask Casey, he was desperate. We were also 3-20 down the stretch so it's not like anyone else had it going either. Wish we had our bench in there instead of the starters. We'd have more energy and better ball movement but Val was doing great so can't blame them for that.

B-Ball Freak · Post #3324 » by **B-Ball Freak** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:35 am

bmurph128 wrote:The look on Lowrys face at the end of the game....just looked like defeat

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Just no fight in that guy, just one of the biggest mental midgets I have ever seen.

NaturalBuns · Post #3325 » by **NaturalBuns** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:35 am

Heej wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:Man I had been called a troll and attacked from countless Raptors fans for stating that their team hasn't changed much, the Cavs role players wouldn't be so bad and they still weren't going to get past lebron.

Interesting game 1. This should be a good series

The Raps fans literally could not conceive of the possibility that Indiana being a bad matchup for the Cavs didn't also mean the Raptors were too. Like it was legitimately inconceivable. The only thing the Raps have is a legit "LeBron-stopper". Thad Young actually put the clamps on LeBron all the possessions he was on him but that wasn't Nate McMillans strategy. I thought Siakam would be another Thad Young but he doesn't have the same core strength, clearly

Lebron shot 12-30. Had literally nothing easy 5-6 of his shots fadeaway for deep 2s. Literally his worst game this post season so that doesn't add up.

bmurph128 · Post #3326 » by **bmurph128** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:35 am

jbk1234 wrote:
infinite11285 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
It's like people fast forward past the parts where TT is on JV with Love off the floor.

You don't believe starting Love and TT will open things up for Love a bit? Also, Love can't get rebounds if he's at the three point line.

I'd sit Korver and start J. Green. Not a J. Green fan for most match ups but I love him against the Raptors.

It wouldnt happen for political reasons, but the same starting lineup except Thompson for Love would be great. Tristan was the only guy that could guard JV tonight.

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Marvin Martian · Post #3327 » by **Marvin Martian** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:36 am

God doesn't want James to lose. No matter how bad he is, no matter how awful the defense is, no matter if Love appears at all, James will find a way.

bb22 · Post #3328 » by **bb22** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:36 am

CobraCommander wrote:
yellowknifer wrote:This was painful as a raptors fan on so many levels.

The rest of the east (not in the playoffs) are pulling for you...but it just looks hopeless when you play one way ALL year and then when you need to run the offense and play with poise...the raptors resort to the same offense run in OKC, Wash and Portland. Do you know what they have in common...Raptors dont be OKC,Wash and Portland...

There's one offense that you run during most of the game, and another in late game situations. Ball movement and motion slows down in crunch time. That's why you pay stars to make plays down the stretch. I can't really blame them, their stars just could not make plays.

Childs · Post #3329 » by **Childs** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:36 am

I really need to take a break from this team. I over-salted the sauce of my chicken teriyaki, and after watching this game, my bp is probably 200s/120s. I have a week off this week. I'm not going to waste it getting upset.

cursedsportsfan · Post #3330 » by **cursedsportsfan** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:36 am

KG_Wolves wrote:

Wow this is awesome

NinjaBro · Post #3331 » by **NinjaBro** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:36 am

raptor jesus wrote:Can somebody tell me why Kevin Love's elbow to Derozan wasn't called a flagrant? Offensive players striking defenders w/ elbows is routinely ruled a flagrant.

valanciunas got so many flagrants for that elbow in the past

TGW · Post #3332 » by **TGW** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:36 am

I said Cleveland in 5. I may be wrong....might be Cleveland in 4.

PrinceV · Post #3333 » by **PrinceV** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:37 am

Casey lost us that game. He should have went small with Lowry, Fred and Delon. Lowry made some horrible decision that led to TOs. Casey calling a time out with 16 secs left was bad.

NaturalBuns · Post #3334 » by **NaturalBuns** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:37 am

raptor jesus wrote:Can somebody tell me why Kevin Love's elbow to Derozan wasn't called a flagrant? Offensive players striking defenders w/ elbows is routinely ruled a flagrant.

It was a good no call for a flagrant. Do not let a game be decided on something so stupid with that. Hell if they wouldn't have called a foul and cavs go up the court and make a basket ud be saying "how was that not a travel"

bmurph128 · Post #3335 » by **bmurph128** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:37 am

NaturalBuns wrote:
Heej wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:Man I had been called a troll and attacked from countless Raptors fans for stating that their team hasn't changed much, the Cavs role players wouldn't be so bad and they still weren't going to get past lebron.

Interesting game 1. This should be a good series

The Raps fans literally could not conceive of the possibility that Indiana being a bad matchup for the Cavs didn't also mean the Raptors were too. Like it was legitimately inconceivable. The only thing the Raps have is a legit "LeBron-stopper". Thad Young actually put the clamps on LeBron all the possessions he was on him but that wasn't Nate McMillans strategy. I thought Siakam would be another Thad Young but he doesn't have the same core strength, clearly

Lebron shot 12-30. Had literally nothing easy 5-6 of his shots fadeaway for deep 2s. Literally his worst game this post season so that doesn't add up.

Strange shot selection by LeBron tonight. Too many jumpers. I think he might have been trying to conserve energy for defense.

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CIN-C-STAR · Post #3336 » by **CIN-C-STAR** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:38 am

NinjaBro wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:3-20 down the stretch. So horrible Raptors. Derozan should’ve went one on one for a jumper. Not pass to Vanfleet

actually I'm pretty happy Demar passed it to Vanvleet there. 99% of the time in past seasons he'll go one on one. Vanvleet is wide open so good decision by him, he's a better playmaker this season.
Too bad Vanvleet is still injured or he'd be playing the entire 4th and overtime but he had to sit.

Yeah I'm with you. It was the right play.
I blame Casey though for putting a guy in who was both hurt and cold. He'd been sitting for some time and then he just inserts him for the biggest play of the game.
Didn't make sense to me at the time. Makes less sense now.

TGW · Post #3337 » by **TGW** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:38 am

KG_Wolves wrote:

bb22 · Post #3338 » by **bb22** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:39 am

bmurph128 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
infinite11285 wrote:
You don't believe starting Love and TT will open things up for Love a bit? Also, Love can't get rebounds if he's at the three point line.

I'd sit Korver and start J. Green. Not a J. Green fan for most match ups but I love him against the Raptors.
It wouldnt happen for political reasons, but the same starting lineup except Thompson for Love would be great. Tristan was the only guy that could guard JV tonight.

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If I'm the Cavs, I'm letting them go to JV all they want. Trading 2s for 3s is not a sustainable offense. He had a monster 3rd quarter, but the 3s by Korver were also an indirect result of JV being out there on D. If Love managed to hit anything at all from deep, JV wouldn't have even been out there.

Kabookalu · Post #3339 » by **Kabookalu** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:39 am

CobraCommander wrote:
Kabookalu wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
I would rather have a center putting up good shots in the paint than having Kyle and DD looking like they lost they ********* minds and all of a sudden they gonna beat Lebron with heroic effort...

I mean I'd rather have that too, since close shots are the highest percentage of shots on the field and Jonas generates a lot of good shots. But again, he missed 12 shots, a lot of them were good easy looks. We involved him the entire game and he didn't deliver.

Not saying I'd go away from that plan, but out of all our players he had the greatest chance of building us a lead and he disappointed.

If they put Love on JV next game he going for 40! Have heart...NO WAY IN HELL LOVE OR TT CAN DEAL WITH HIM. JV balled OUT!

Like I said I'm not going away from that gameplan since it worked out well. With how many shots Jonas got he probably should have got 40 points this game. Though he missed a ton of easy shots. He's our source of easy offense. Every time he gets an inside shot that's one less shot DeMar, Lowry, and Ibaka are taking from outside. Though he missed a lot of easy shots. He's the one that was generating the highest percentage of easy shots and he went 7-19.

I'm going back to Jonas in game 2, I don't expect him to miss so many close shots again, but for this game alone, he blew it down the stretch.

CobraCommander · Post #3340 » by **CobraCommander** » Wed May 2, 2018 3:39 am

bb22 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
yellowknifer wrote:This was painful as a raptors fan on so many levels.

The rest of the east (not in the playoffs) are pulling for you...but it just looks hopeless when you play one way ALL year and then when you need to run the offense and play with poise...the raptors resort to the same offense run in OKC, Wash and Portland. Do you know what they have in common...Raptors dont be OKC,Wash and Portland...

There's one offense that you run during most of the game, and another in late game situations. Ball movement and motion slows down in crunch time. That's why you pay stars to make plays down the stretch. I can't really blame them, their stars just could not make plays.

Couldn’t disagree more...you always run the offense and get the best shot..and shoot it when there isnt a better shot. Its not just me that thinks this...math thinks I’m right too and math always wins.

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