Western Conference | Round 2 | (1) Phoenix Suns vs. (4) Dallas Mavericks (MAVS WIN 4-3)

zshawn10 · Post #3321 » by **zshawn10** » Mon May 16, 2022 12:27 pm

deneem4 wrote:Really spencer dinwiddie??!?!?

Yea he’s been pretty bad all playoffs lol and then he went off

Post #3322 » by **og15** » Mon May 16, 2022 12:32 pm

tripa wrote:If you really think the Mavs are going to beat the Warriors then recency bias is your daddy

Their biggest concern would probably be their shooters reverting to the mean. Everyone will think they just suck, but it's not going to be easy to get this combined role player 3PT% in a second series:

Bullock: 37.5%
Dinwiddie: 51.6%
Finney-Smith: 45.0%
Kleber: 46.4%
Bertans: 47.8%

That's going to be tough to replicate in a second series, so the question becomes if Dallas can defend GS well enough to not need that much shooting to win.

Their defense on the Suns was double Booker, pressure Paul, put a big defender on him and then send another defender on pick and rolls. Suns third playmaker is Payne, but he's small and he was struggling in the series, so playing him would be tough. That's the counter to the defense. Mavs for example have Dinwiddie, but also have more shooting than the Suns, the Suns were not a volume or special 3PT shooting team. So certainly the strategy vs the Warriors will not be the same.

Ritzo · Post #3323 » by **Ritzo** » Mon May 16, 2022 12:42 pm

Can someone bump the thread saying Ayton was the right pick over Luka.

John Murdoch · Post #3324 » by **John Murdoch** » Mon May 16, 2022 12:53 pm

_qubik wrote:Suns turning into Utah 2.0, great regular season, good team play, go deep in the playoff, and poop the pants when they need to win. You still need a star to put you over the top when defenses gameplan against you in a tight series, but CP3 and Booker aint it

I think even the clippers at full strength were beating this PHX team. CP3 somehow dodges the same "choker" talk that Harden gets but rly they arent too dissimilar

Archx · Post #3325 » by **Archx** » Mon May 16, 2022 12:56 pm

Ritzo wrote:Can someone bump the thread saying Ayton was the right pick over Luka.

This is from reddit.

Over the course of a 7-game series, Luka Doncic outscored 4th place MVP Devin Booker (218 to 164), outrebounded 7'0 Deandre Ayton (69 to 57) and outassisted Chris "Point God" Paul (49 to 40). Oh and he also had more steals than DPOY runner-up Mikal Bridges (15 to 9).

lobosloboslobos · Post #3326 » by **lobosloboslobos** » Mon May 16, 2022 1:36 pm

Archx wrote:
Ritzo wrote:Can someone bump the thread saying Ayton was the right pick over Luka.

This is from reddit.

Over the course of a 7-game series, Luka Doncic outscored 4th place MVP Devin Booker (218 to 164), outrebounded 7'0 Deandre Ayton (69 to 57) and outassisted Chris "Point God" Paul (49 to 40). Oh and he also had more steals than DPOY runner-up Mikal Bridges (15 to 9).

that is absolutely disgusting.

also, is that worst game 7 beatdown in history? a 41 point lead in a game 7???

vulture · Post #3327 » by **vulture** » Mon May 16, 2022 1:41 pm

I am still stunned! I'm not surprised that Luka was awesome in the series because that was a given, but the fact that the suns could not solve the 5 out offense of the mavs was stunning.
Remember that scheme versatility is the most important thing in the playoffs.

garrick · Post #3328 » by **garrick** » Mon May 16, 2022 1:48 pm

og15 wrote:
tripa wrote:If you really think the Mavs are going to beat the Warriors then recency bias is your daddy

Their biggest concern would probably be their shooters reverting to the mean. Everyone will think they just suck, but it's not going to be easy to get this combined role player 3PT% in a second series:

Bullock: 37.5%
Dinwiddie: 51.6%
Finney-Smith: 45.0%
Kleber: 46.4%
Bertans: 47.8%

That's going to be tough to replicate in a second series, so the question becomes if Dallas can defend GS well enough to not need that much shooting to win.

Their defense on the Suns was double Booker, pressure Paul, put a big defender on him and then send another defender on pick and rolls. Suns third playmaker is Payne, but he's small and he was struggling in the series, so playing him would be tough. That's the counter to the defense. Mavs for example have Dinwiddie, but also have more shooting than the Suns, the Suns were not a volume or special 3PT shooting team. So certainly the strategy vs the Warriors will not be the same.

Since it worked so well with the Suns I think Mavs continue to attack the guards with Luka and Brunson and see if Steph and Poole can guard them 1 on 1 or see if GSW throw the double team at them and hope they can continue the hot 3pt shooting.

I think having Draymond is however more beneficial since Mavs don't have a traditional center so Draymond isn't about to get bodied up by a traditional big man, Ayton got cooked on the perimeter and Draymond is a bit faster on his feet I feel so the Mavs guards won't have as easy of a time launching threes on him.

Mr B · Post #3329 » by **Mr B** » Mon May 16, 2022 1:55 pm

sunsbg wrote:
SFrush wrote:I'm still pretty stunned. I can't get over Phoenix had only 27 points at halftime. How do you come out that flat.

Complex reasons, CP3's play being a major one, but some Mavs fans will tell you it's only Mavs D and Suns being scared of a team they beat a lot in the past.

CP’s bad play was mostly the result of the Mavs punishing him in the paint and making him play defense. He was so worn out that he made some very uncharacteristic mistakes on the offensive end. It wasn’t just because he came out flat. He got his ass whipped.

Speadge · Post #3330 » by **Speadge** » Mon May 16, 2022 2:11 pm

Archx wrote:
Ritzo wrote:Can someone bump the thread saying Ayton was the right pick over Luka.

This is from reddit.

Over the course of a 7-game series, Luka Doncic outscored 4th place MVP Devin Booker (218 to 164), outrebounded 7'0 Deandre Ayton (69 to 57) and outassisted Chris "Point God" Paul (49 to 40). Oh and he also had more steals than DPOY runner-up Mikal Bridges (15 to 9).

Anyone saw @JoeyLightYears lately? I like how reliable are his predictions. Anything he says or predict always happen diametrically opposite.
Good job, keep it going!

Yuri36 · Post #3331 » by **Yuri36** » Mon May 16, 2022 2:12 pm

Archx wrote:
Ritzo wrote:Can someone bump the thread saying Ayton was the right pick over Luka.

This is from reddit.

Over the course of a 7-game series, Luka Doncic outscored 4th place MVP Devin Booker (218 to 164), outrebounded 7'0 Deandre Ayton (69 to 57) and outassisted Chris "Point God" Paul (49 to 40). Oh and he also had more steals than DPOY runner-up Mikal Bridges (15 to 9).

BUT BUT Luka is still a terrible defender....

Archx · Post #3332 » by **Archx** » Mon May 16, 2022 2:29 pm

Yuri36 wrote:
Archx wrote:
Ritzo wrote:Can someone bump the thread saying Ayton was the right pick over Luka.

This is from reddit.

Over the course of a 7-game series, Luka Doncic outscored 4th place MVP Devin Booker (218 to 164), outrebounded 7'0 Deandre Ayton (69 to 57) and outassisted Chris "Point God" Paul (49 to 40). Oh and he also had more steals than DPOY runner-up Mikal Bridges (15 to 9).

BUT BUT Luka is still a terrible defender....

Heh, at least he's average and that's good enough going forward. He's a really good post defender and if he's locked in like he was in the past 2 or 3 games, he can get in to passing lanes and get some easy steals. It's not coincidence that he averaged more steals per game than any other Mavs player in this series, or in playoffs in general.

Also, he has 104 DRTG for entire playoffs, next best guys (with big minutes) all have 112.

Dude can absolutely play defense if he's trying or if his fat ass allows it.
Another good example that he is "at least average" on defense are On/Off. +18 team highest. You can't have good On/Off if you are completely terrible like some people say he is.

Optimus_Steel · Post #3333 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Mon May 16, 2022 2:30 pm

vulture wrote:I am still stunned! I'm not surprised that Luka was awesome in the series because that was a given, but the fact that the suns could not solve the 5 out offense of the mavs was stunning.
Remember that scheme versatility is the most important thing in the playoffs.

I was surprised the Suns didn't try to trap Luka, force the ball out of his hands.

Sedale Threatt · Post #3334 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Mon May 16, 2022 2:32 pm

Read on Twitter

sunsbg · Post #3335 » by **sunsbg** » Mon May 16, 2022 2:32 pm

Mr B wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
SFrush wrote:I'm still pretty stunned. I can't get over Phoenix had only 27 points at halftime. How do you come out that flat.

Complex reasons, CP3's play being a major one, but some Mavs fans will tell you it's only Mavs D and Suns being scared of a team they beat a lot in the past.

CP’s bad play was mostly the result of the Mavs punishing him in the paint and making him play defense. He was so worn out that he made some very uncharacteristic mistakes on the offensive end. It wasn’t just because he came out flat. He got his ass whipped.

I don't know. He was completely off at start of the game after two days of rest. It's not like Bucks didn't play him tough in last finals and he still did pretty well.

Swish1906 · Post #3336 » by **Swish1906** » Mon May 16, 2022 2:33 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:
vulture wrote:I am still stunned! I'm not surprised that Luka was awesome in the series because that was a given, but the fact that the suns could not solve the 5 out offense of the mavs was stunning.
Remember that scheme versatility is the most important thing in the playoffs.

I was surprised the Suns didn't try to trap Luka, force the ball out of his hands.

He kills traps because he simply passes over them, resulting in wide open shots.

Thats why its such a huge difference if your playmaker is 6-7 or 6-0

Curmudgeon · Post #3337 » by **Curmudgeon** » Mon May 16, 2022 2:43 pm

I've never seen anything like it. Brunson and Dinwiddie were scoring at will in the second half on easy jump shots. The Suns were not even making an effort to close out. Complete embarrassment.

Micah Prescott · Post #3338 » by **Micah Prescott** » Mon May 16, 2022 2:48 pm

The pic of Luka smiling at Booker just might be my favorite sports photo of all time.

Mamba Mentality · Post #3339 » by **Mamba Mentality** » Mon May 16, 2022 2:50 pm

Yuri36 wrote:
Mamba Mentality wrote:Luka and Giannis are the two guys that you can’t take lightly in must win games. They’ll always come in clutch.

Come back when Giannis hits a buzzer beater in a PO game.
Not saying Giannis isn't clutch but Luka is definitely in Lillard/Kawhi's stratosphere when it comes to doing it at clutch time

Giannis only had 50 and 14, while going 17-19 from the free throw line, in the biggest game of his life. Cluth isn't always about hitting big shots, it's about showing up in games that matter the most.

Bob8 · Post #3340 » by **Bob8** » Mon May 16, 2022 3:06 pm

Speadge wrote:
Archx wrote:
Ritzo wrote:Can someone bump the thread saying Ayton was the right pick over Luka.

This is from reddit.

Over the course of a 7-game series, Luka Doncic outscored 4th place MVP Devin Booker (218 to 164), outrebounded 7'0 Deandre Ayton (69 to 57) and outassisted Chris "Point God" Paul (49 to 40). Oh and he also had more steals than DPOY runner-up Mikal Bridges (15 to 9).

Anyone saw @JoeyLightYears lately? I like how reliable are his predictions. Anything he says or predict always happen diametrically opposite.
Good job, keep it going!

He had fight with me that series is over after game 5, because Suns have over 80% chances to win. He was kinda right, we didn't see competitive basketball after that.

Who wins?