ECSF: P1 | (1) Toronto Raptors vs Cleveland Cavaliers (4) | TIED 0-0

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Series Prediction

RAPS IN 4
60
11%
Raptors in 5
50
10%
Raptors in 6
132
25%
Raptors in 7
93
18%
Cavaliers in 4
19
4%
Cavaliers in 5
13
2%
Cavaliers in 6
107
20%
Cavaliers in 7
50
10%
 
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Post#3341 » by raptor jesus » Wed May 2, 2018 3:39 am

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raptor jesus wrote:Can somebody tell me why Kevin Love's elbow to Derozan wasn't called a flagrant? Offensive players striking defenders w/ elbows is routinely ruled a flagrant.


valanciunas got so many flagrants for that elbow in the past


Here's Biyombo getting a flagrant from a couple years ago - ironically against Love:



Melo got a flagrant 2 for this:



I can't make sense of it. They didn't even review it.
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Post#3342 » by JohnPferdelack » Wed May 2, 2018 3:40 am

On Thursday, we will watch "Round 2": Maybe the Raptors can answer, maybe not.
But this matchup could be very entertaining^^
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Post#3343 » by DaPessimist » Wed May 2, 2018 3:40 am

Raptors just choked. I think they said in the 4th quarter the Raptors missed the last 15 out of 16 shots? You're not gonna win basketball games playing like that. And it's not like the Cavs are an elite defensive team.
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Post#3344 » by Childs » Wed May 2, 2018 3:41 am

JohnPferdelack wrote:On Thursday, we will watch "Round 2": Maybe the Raptors can answer, maybe not.
But this matchup could be very entertaining^^


Is that a joke? Im going to get a brain aneurysm at the end of this.
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Post#3345 » by bmurph128 » Wed May 2, 2018 3:41 am

bb22 wrote:
bmurph128 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
I'd sit Korver and start J. Green. Not a J. Green fan for most match ups but I love him against the Raptors.
It wouldnt happen for political reasons, but the same starting lineup except Thompson for Love would be great. Tristan was the only guy that could guard JV tonight.

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If I'm the Cavs, I'm letting them go to JV all they want. Trading 2s for 3s is not a sustainable offense. He had a monster 3rd quarter, but the 3s by Korver were also an indirect result of JV being out there on D. If Love managed to hit anything at all from deep, JV wouldn't have even been out there.
After watching Love for these 8 games, Im just not confident he will suddenly get hot. I hope he proves me wrong, and in that case youre right.

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Post#3346 » by B-Ball Freak » Wed May 2, 2018 3:41 am

Oladipo > Derozan
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Post#3347 » by K For Three » Wed May 2, 2018 3:41 am

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jonjames wrote:Very disappointed by the Raps but it's only one game. Now if they lose game 2 then the series is over but if they win game 2 then all they have do is win game 3 at Cleveland to regain control of the series. They have done this many times in the past. Cleveland won but barely. They should have lost this game. No matter what happens in this series Cleveland will NOT make the NBA Finals this year. I can bet $2000 on that. If it's not Toronto it will be Philly. BOOK IT.


Seriously, don't get dramatic and do that......


I'm so confident on it that I will make a RealGM bet on anyone here regarding Cavs not making the NBA Finals. How can you watch this game and think otherwise? The Cavs last year dominated the Raptors in game 3 on their home court. This game they were losing pretty much the entire game and should have lost the game. Anyways the series is far from over so let's see what happens in the next few games. I'm confident Toronto will win this series. Cleveland's role players stepped up and made their shots (14/35 from 3 40%) and Thompson had 9 offensive rebounds. That was the difference in this game.


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Post#3348 » by bb22 » Wed May 2, 2018 3:42 am

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The rest of the east (not in the playoffs) are pulling for you...but it just looks hopeless when you play one way ALL year and then when you need to run the offense and play with poise...the raptors resort to the same offense run in OKC, Wash and Portland. Do you know what they have in common...Raptors dont be OKC,Wash and Portland... :nonono:


There's one offense that you run during most of the game, and another in late game situations. Ball movement and motion slows down in crunch time. That's why you pay stars to make plays down the stretch. I can't really blame them, their stars just could not make plays.


Couldn’t disagree more...you always run the offense and get the best shot..and shoot it when there isnt a better shot. Its not just me that thinks this...math thinks I’m right too and math always wins.


Math is one thing. Psychology and human behaviour is another. Ideally you want to run the offense and find the best shot, but players aren't robots, they're different and will rarely take the optimal shot.
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Post#3349 » by Clyde Frazier » Wed May 2, 2018 3:42 am

PrinceV wrote:Casey lost us that game. He should have went small with Lowry, Fred and Delon. Lowry made some horrible decision that led to TOs. Casey calling a time out with 16 secs left was bad.


Why bring fred back in at all when he hurt his shoulder...
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Post#3350 » by CobraCommander » Wed May 2, 2018 3:42 am

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I mean I'd rather have that too, since close shots are the highest percentage of shots on the field and Jonas generates a lot of good shots. But again, he missed 12 shots, a lot of them were good easy looks. We involved him the entire game and he didn't deliver.

Not saying I'd go away from that plan, but out of all our players he had the greatest chance of building us a lead and he disappointed.


If they put Love on JV next game he going for 40! Have heart...NO WAY IN HELL LOVE OR TT CAN DEAL WITH HIM. JV balled OUT!


Like I said I'm not going away from that gameplan since it worked out well. With how many shots Jonas got he probably should have got 40 points this game. Though he missed a ton of easy shots. He's our source of easy offense. Every time he gets an inside shot that's one less shot DeMar, Lowry, and Ibaka are taking from outside. Though he missed a lot of easy shots. He's the one that was generating the highest percentage of easy shots and he went 7-19.

I'm going back to Jonas in game 2, I don't expect him to miss so many close shots again, but for this game alone, he blew it down the stretch.


If Lue puts Love on JV...JV gonna either foul him out or go for 40. He wont blow those bunnies the next game..trust that. A smart man makes the Love and TT play him straight up. Y’all cant win this with DD and Lowry playing Hero Ball.
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Post#3351 » by JohnPferdelack » Wed May 2, 2018 3:44 am

Childs wrote:
JohnPferdelack wrote:On Thursday, we will watch "Round 2": Maybe the Raptors can answer, maybe not.
But this matchup could be very entertaining^^


Is that a joke? Im going to get a brain aneurysm at the end of this.

That's the truth, ask Paul Pierce.
You can thanks to Lowry, DD and Ibaka at the end of that series.
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Post#3352 » by yoyoboy » Wed May 2, 2018 3:44 am

bmurph128 wrote:
NaturalBuns wrote:
Heej wrote:The Raps fans literally could not conceive of the possibility that Indiana being a bad matchup for the Cavs didn't also mean the Raptors were too. Like it was legitimately inconceivable. The only thing the Raps have is a legit "LeBron-stopper". Thad Young actually put the clamps on LeBron all the possessions he was on him but that wasn't Nate McMillans strategy. I thought Siakam would be another Thad Young but he doesn't have the same core strength, clearly


Lebron shot 12-30. Had literally nothing easy 5-6 of his shots fadeaway for deep 2s. Literally his worst game this post season so that doesn't add up.
Strange shot selection by LeBron tonight. Too many jumpers. I think he might have been trying to conserve energy for defense.

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He was really good on defense tonight. Just a bad offensive performance though. 12-30 from the field. 1-6 from the line. Decided by settle for jumpers late in the game despite clearly being off. And he passed up that shot at the rim and kicked it out to Love instead in OT.

13 assists to 1 turnover is great to see, but he needs to be better next game for us to have a chance.
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Post#3353 » by CobraCommander » Wed May 2, 2018 3:45 am

bb22 wrote:
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There's one offense that you run during most of the game, and another in late game situations. Ball movement and motion slows down in crunch time. That's why you pay stars to make plays down the stretch. I can't really blame them, their stars just could not make plays.


Couldn’t disagree more...you always run the offense and get the best shot..and shoot it when there isnt a better shot. Its not just me that thinks this...math thinks I’m right too and math always wins.


Math is one thing. Psychology and human behaviour is another. Ideally you want to run the offense and find the best shot, but players aren't robots, they're different and will rarely take the optimal shot.


So you must not have watched the raptors vs the wizards...or Cleveland vs Indy....the wiz tried that Hero crap and Toronto sat DD and played team ball in game 6 and won...Indy tried to out hero Lebron and lost while out scoring Cleveland by 40...for the series
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Post#3354 » by Yuri Vaultin » Wed May 2, 2018 3:45 am

B-Ball Freak wrote:Oladipo > Derozan

And water is wet. You probably should contact MENSA.
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Post#3355 » by -G- » Wed May 2, 2018 3:47 am

Pelicans needs to send someone to the scorer's table, if you know what I mean.
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Post#3356 » by picc » Wed May 2, 2018 3:47 am

Toronto basically blew them out twice this game. And lost both leads. Then obviously the end of the game happened.

The five second violation, which should have been the 2nd one (Lowry did it a few plays before but they didnt call it). Lowry's head-scratching turnover to JR Smith that led to the three in OT. Countless open shots missed. JV and Poetl blowing layups at near seven feet tall.

This was like the jambalaya of choking. A combination of a bunch of different ingredients that combined and synergized to make the perfect stew. At least the Pacers had the excuse of being young and inexperienced. This was just pure mental fragility. Unreal.
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Post#3357 » by bb22 » Wed May 2, 2018 3:47 am

bmurph128 wrote:
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bmurph128 wrote:It wouldnt happen for political reasons, but the same starting lineup except Thompson for Love would be great. Tristan was the only guy that could guard JV tonight.

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If I'm the Cavs, I'm letting them go to JV all they want. Trading 2s for 3s is not a sustainable offense. He had a monster 3rd quarter, but the 3s by Korver were also an indirect result of JV being out there on D. If Love managed to hit anything at all from deep, JV wouldn't have even been out there.
After watching Love for these 8 games, Im just not confident he will suddenly get hot. I hope he proves me wrong, and in that case youre right.

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If he shoots like he did in game 7 vs Indy (I think he was like 4/8 from 3), that's hot in my books. He should have one of those nights in this series too.
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Post#3358 » by bmurph128 » Wed May 2, 2018 3:47 am

raptor jesus wrote:
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raptor jesus wrote:Can somebody tell me why Kevin Love's elbow to Derozan wasn't called a flagrant? Offensive players striking defenders w/ elbows is routinely ruled a flagrant.


valanciunas got so many flagrants for that elbow in the past


Here's Biyombo getting a flagrant from a couple years ago - ironically against Love:



Melo got a flagrant 2 for this:



I can't make sense of it. They didn't even review it.
That call on Melo was attrocious.

I doubt they call a flagrant on Biyombo if it happened late in a close game. Also, Love was fouled beforehand and the refs may have felt bad about missing that - not answers fans would want, but thats my guess.

Biyombo's also looked more intentional - like he was trying to hit someone - Love looked like he was just tryimg to create space. Although being a Cavs fan probably skews my perception on those..

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Post#3359 » by Knicks Byke » Wed May 2, 2018 3:47 am

bmurph128 wrote:The look on Lowrys face at the end of the game....just looked like defeat

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that look like they just lost or something.
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Post#3360 » by afarmenian » Wed May 2, 2018 3:48 am

CobraCommander wrote:
Kabookalu wrote:
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If they put Love on JV next game he going for 40! Have heart...NO WAY IN HELL LOVE OR TT CAN DEAL WITH HIM. JV balled OUT!


Like I said I'm not going away from that gameplan since it worked out well. With how many shots Jonas got he probably should have got 40 points this game. Though he missed a ton of easy shots. He's our source of easy offense. Every time he gets an inside shot that's one less shot DeMar, Lowry, and Ibaka are taking from outside. Though he missed a lot of easy shots. He's the one that was generating the highest percentage of easy shots and he went 7-19.

I'm going back to Jonas in game 2, I don't expect him to miss so many close shots again, but for this game alone, he blew it down the stretch.


If Lue puts Love on JV...JV gonna either foul him out or go for 40. He wont blow those bunnies the next game..trust that. A smart man makes the Love and TT play him straight up. Y’all cant win this with DD and Lowry playing Hero Ball.


JV is always good for a few missed bunnies and Love would never play him hard enough to foul out. That said i get what you mean but its impossible to just change everything to just force feed an average player like all game even if its a great matchup.

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