Wall vs. Kyrie for the last pg spot according to USA Today

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Kyrie won't be LEADING cleveland anywhere. He'll be FOLLOWING Lebron to the playoffs.

And teams where the point guard is the best player have a tendency to not win titles, so consider me perfectly fine with the Cavs bringing in LeBron (the best player in the game) and Love (arguably the best PF in the game). The point guard's job should be to facilitate, and it's a lot easier to do that when you've got better players around you. Kyrie has played some of his best ball when he's surrounded by other great players (both with Team USA and at the All-Star games he's been in), so he'll be in an ideal situation this season.

Wall might be a better guy to be the best player on the team, but Kyrie has shown an ability to elevate his game with elite teammates. Wall hasn't. We saw that in the Team USA scrimmages and practices, and at the All-Star game.

[fourtyounce48]

Kyrie won't be LEADING cleveland anywhere. He'll be FOLLOWING Lebron to the playoffs.

And teams where the point guard is the best player have a tendency to not win titles, so consider me perfectly fine with the Cavs bringing in LeBron (the best player in the game) and Love (arguably the best PF in the game). The point guard's job should be to facilitate, and it's a lot easier to do that when you've got better players around you. Kyrie has played some of his best ball when he's surrounded by other great players (both with Team USA and at the All-Star games he's been in), so he'll be in an ideal situation this season.

Wall might be a better guy to be the best player on the team, but Kyrie has shown an ability to elevate his game with elite teammates. Wall hasn't. We saw that in the Team USA scrimmages and practices, and at the All-Star game.

Kyrie tends to get in an extra gear during games that have the spotlight. I wouldn't be surprised to see him try to win the MVP if the Cavs make the finals. He tends to do well during those occasions.

[deneem4]

It took Wall four years to reach the playoffs.

Next year is Kyrie's 4th year.

Cry your ass off.

Kyrie won't be LEADING cleveland anywhere. He'll be FOLLOWING Lebron to the playoffs.

So?

Dogg, no one cares how y'all try to spin this. Kyrie will be an all-star AGAIN and will go deeper in the playoffs than Wall, who probably won't be an all-star with Rose back and Wade.

And let's be real...Beal's better than Wall, too. No shame in Kyrie not being better than the best player on earth. But, Wall was supposed to be THE GUY coming out of the college and he's been a massive letdown.

2014 2nd rd playoffs...
2013 injured half season...ended the last 21 games 24/8/5 on 46% fg 37% from the 3...116 ORTG 106 drtg
2012 team consisted of; nick young, javale mcgee, blatche, jordan crawford, rashad lewis, trevor booker, chris singleton, jan vesley, kevin seraphin, Roger mason

Show stats and proof to back your opinion..
he jus now got a credible team and he's still the best player and leader..

[TheOUTLAW]

The player I was most impressed with on the Wiz that I saw were Beal and Nene. They both seemed to be automatic mismatches at their positions. While Wall is a blur when on the floor I'm not really that impressed with him in the half court.

[deneem4]

Wall had no points, 1 dime and 4 turnovers in the televised scrimmage. Kyrie had 6,4 dimes, 2 steals and 0 turnovers.

AND Kyrie outplayed him in practice all week.

AND Kyrie destroyed him and Lillard last years in the televised scrimmage.

Wall fans had to eat it while Kyrie came outta nowhere and stole their guy's shine. Wall was supposed to be the next great PG and Kyrie took it in a year flat. Now, because the Wiz had a good year, they've overvalued Wall's actual skill level, making up for lost hype.

He's not in Kyrie's class and it shows every time the playing field is equal. Every single time and no one wants to admit it. It's different passing to James Harden for a catch and shoot J than it is to Dion Waiters, watching him pass up an open J to rock back and forth and rhythm dribble into a 20 foot brick. It's different coming off the pick and leaving it for the roll man and that roll man is Big Cuz instead of Bad Feet Tristan.

Wall was getting cut from jump. He sucks in half court and he's not smart.

Ask kyrie to lead a team to the playoffs 1st...
wall kyrie
beal waiters
ariza deng
Nene thompson
gortat varajao...

these teams aren't too much different both have injury prone bigs and both pg was leader...one team went to the 2nd rd one ended up with the #1 draft pick...
it's easy to play with high IQ starters like in the USA scrimminages...try making your team look good and win...then u accomplished something

It took Wall four years to reach the playoffs.

Next year is Kyrie's 4th year.

Cry your ass off.

Kevin love going on 7 still haven't gotten there
curry didn't get there til his 4th yr

What's your point?

[airyak13]

No.....we don't. We have a mutual understanding that between 2013 and 2014, Wall was better because Rose didn't play. That is all. But this wasn't about Wall. This is about the extremely overrated Kyrie Irving.

This is about a deserving point guard in Wall not making the team because a favour is being done for Rose. it should never have been kyrie vs wall for the last spot.

This is about Wall being the worst point guard in practice all week and sharting on himself on national TV in the blue-white scrimmage.

This. I'm trying to find out why people are talking about Wall leading the Wiz to the playoffs as justification for him making the team. Wiz fans are overtaking pre-LeBron Cavs fans as the most delusional bunch on RealGM (no offense Cavs fans, but you defended Chris Grant for the longest time, and then he proceeded to accomplish the rare feat of getting fired mid season).

Irving has outplayed Wall on Team USA by ALL accounts over the past two seasons. Instead of people giving him props for making it, they're saying things like "of course, he went to Duke".

Oh, and LOL at the guy who tried comparing the Wizards roster to the Cavs roster. Funniest thing I read all week.

[Volcano]

cut them both..Lillard/Rose/Curry is enough

[NBAfan3024]

Wall out

[Jimmy Recard]

Was expecting this for Wall. His inconsistent J doesn't bode well for international play. Surprised with Beal being cut though, i thought he looked good in the scrimmage.

[TheBabyMaker]

Good, fine as a Wizards fan I am glad to see Wall and Beal Being cut. After the PG injury I do not want to see anyone else get hurt in meaningless games. Less chance for us though. These game do not mean %%%% to me. I am sure Wall will have a chip on his shoulder come next season though.

[deneem4]

This is about a deserving point guard in Wall not making the team because a favour is being done for Rose. it should never have been kyrie vs wall for the last spot.

This is about Wall being the worst point guard in practice all week and sharting on himself on national TV in the blue-white scrimmage.

This. I'm trying to find out why people are talking about Wall leading the Wiz to the playoffs as justification for him making the team. Wiz fans are overtaking pre-LeBron Cavs fans as the most delusional bunch on RealGM (no offense Cavs fans, but you defended Chris Grant for the longest time, and then he proceeded to accomplish the rare feat of getting fired mid season).

Irving has outplayed Wall on Team USA by ALL accounts over the past two seasons. Instead of people giving him props for making it, they're saying things like "of course, he went to Duke".

Oh, and LOL at the guy who tried comparing the Wizards roster to the Cavs roster. Funniest thing I read all week.

Your contradicting yourself this is about team usa..aka playing with the best in the league..not regular season in which u make the best of the team you're on...in which wall has been successful and superior instead of irving.

irving is a good scorer in the regular season, he may look like a superior talent because of playing with elite talent on nusa.
il rather give props to a guy that makes average players look like stars and lead them to the playoffs in the regular season; instead of a guy that can't get his equally equally, adapt, team out the lotrery

[Illmatic12]

Irving was guaranteed a spot before hand.. proof, this quote from July 22 (well before the camp started started)

Jerry Colangelo:

“Being chosen for the Select Team is an honor and an important step in becoming involved in USA Basketball’s National Team program in the future. In the past, current national team players like Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, as well as many other outstanding players got their USA National Team start through the Select Team.”

Wait a second, when has Irving suited up for the USMNT like the other players named there? Wall and Lillard were led on a wild goose chase

[noobcake]

Irving was guaranteed a spot before hand.. proof, this quote from July 22 (well before the camp started started)

Jerry Colangelo:

“Being chosen for the Select Team is an honor and an important step in becoming involved in USA Basketball’s National Team program in the future. In the past, current national team players like Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, as well as many other outstanding players got their USA National Team start through the Select Team.”

Wait a second, when has Irving suited up for the USMNT like the other players named there? Wall and Lillard were led on a wild goose chase

Coach K has obviously brain washed Jerry Colangelo into thinking that scrub Irving is a good player.

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Kevin love going on 7 still haven't gotten there
curry didn't get there til his 4th yr

What's your point?

I'd say his point is obvious. Individuals don't make playoffs, teams do. Unless you're an all-time great like LeBron or Durant, you're probably not carrying a team to the playoffs by yourself.

Wall didn't make it until he had a lot of veteran help. Love never had that type of help and was in a tougher conference, so he was never able to make it. Kyrie is in a similar boat, as he was surrounded almost entirely by young draft picks (Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, Delly, etc.) or cast-offs from other teams that were there so the team could maintain cap flexibility for LeBron (and hey, that kind of worked out, right?). The Wizards, in contrast, went all-in early, bringing in veterans like Ariza, Nene, and Gortat, in an effort to make a playoff push. It worked, but don't pretend Wall carried that team on his back. He was their best player, but he had plenty of help.

[I_Never Lied]

Wall had no points, 1 dime and 4 turnovers in the televised scrimmage. Kyrie had 6,4 dimes, 2 steals and 0 turnovers.

AND Kyrie outplayed him in practice all week.

AND Kyrie destroyed him and Lillard last years in the televised scrimmage.

Wall fans had to eat it while Kyrie came outta nowhere and stole their guy's shine. Wall was supposed to be the next great PG and Kyrie took it in a year flat. Now, because the Wiz had a good year, they've overvalued Wall's actual skill level, making up for lost hype.

He's not in Kyrie's class and it shows every time the playing field is equal. Every single time and no one wants to admit it. It's different passing to James Harden for a catch and shoot J than it is to Dion Waiters, watching him pass up an open J to rock back and forth and rhythm dribble into a 20 foot brick. It's different coming off the pick and leaving it for the roll man and that roll man is Big Cuz instead of Bad Feet Tristan.

Wall was getting cut from jump. He sucks in half court and he's not smart.

I think people would more readily admit that Kyrie is better if you didn't rub it in so much. I have found that in life even when your right, people will go against you just because they don't like the way you're telling it to them.

Of course Kyrie is better than Wall. That sh**t is not even debatable, really.

[Higga]

Irving is a better fit for international play since he can shoot the outside J.

Besides, after seeing that Paul George injury, I'm glad Wall and Beal are out. Rather not risk anything, especially with our franchise's luck.

[deneem4]

Kevin love going on 7 still haven't gotten there
curry didn't get there til his 4th yr

What's your point?

I'd say his point is obvious. Individuals don't make playoffs, teams do. Unless you're an all-time great like LeBron or Durant, you're probably not carrying a team to the playoffs by yourself.

Wall didn't make it until he had a lot of veteran help. Love never had that type of help and was in a tougher conference, so he was never able to make it. Kyrie is in a similar boat, as he was surrounded almost entirely by young draft picks (Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, Delly, etc.) or cast-offs from other teams that were there so the team could maintain cap flexibility for LeBron (and hey, that kind of worked out, right?). The Wizards, in contrast, went all-in early, bringing in veterans like Ariza, Nene, and Gortat, in an effort to make a playoff push. It worked, but don't pretend Wall carried that team on his back. He was their best player, but he had plenty of help.

No he said exactly
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It took Wall four years to reach the playoffs. 

Next year is Kyrie's 4th year. 

Cry your ass off.
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Wall went through a harder struggle his 2nd yr...and was injured his 3rd...
U right wall had help...but tht team went as far as wall guided them...al those big ariza and gortat games wall had big assist nights...
kyrie had help as well...waiters is supposedly as good as beal if u ask the board, deng was there, thompson improved and vaj played more minutes and games than nene...

And please love had plenty of help last yr..pek, martin, rubio, etc... he's the same as kyrie so far...great scorer/player bit defense wins games..if u can't lead your team defensively u won't lead them to wins...wall may not be the best defensive player but he gives effort and his team follows.

[supermelo]

Easy way to compare 3 guys...


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[JonFromVA]

The bottom line here is that Wall was a last minute invite. He continues to get opportunities with the national team, and simply hasn't taken advantage of them. At least not as yet.

Kyrie plays well in these formats, Wall does not.

As far as the NBA is concerned? tbd ... but Irving has definitely been a year behind Wall. Not just in terms of years in the league, but in terms of when their respective teams stopped tanking and started trying to win. The Wizards won only 29 games a year ago, but their defense had already evolved (5th in the league even though Wall only played 49 games). Alas, it's no longer about Wall .vs. Irving and Beal .vs. Waiters. Those guys have arguably dropped to 3rd & 4th on the Cavs.

[jc23]

This is about a deserving point guard in Wall not making the team because a favour is being done for Rose. it should never have been kyrie vs wall for the last spot.

If wall was truly better than Rose, a player who you admit hasn't played in 2 years, then he should have summarily outplayed him at every turn. NOBODY has said or witnessed that. Not reporters, not other players, and nobody who watched the live scrimmage. Wall truthfully has nobody to blame but himself for getting cut. I DO think he's better than Irving, but by EVERY account I've seen, Rose has been the best Guard in Camp.

Don't want Rose to make the team? Outplay him. Shouldn't be that difficult since he hasn't played in 2 years, and clearly can't be that good....right???

There's literally a 1% chance that Rose isn't rusty right now. Even if Lebron sat out of basketball for two years (injury-free) and tried to come back he would be rusty and i would put KD/Melo and a healthy PG on the team before him. Unless Wall played nowhere near his playoff level, he deserved to make the team over DRose.

Everyone is pulling for Rose to be healthy. Why would anyone say anything negative towards him? Last year we heard nothing but great things about Rose before the season started, but he played like garbage when he came back.

If you read some articles about the subject its apparent to me team USA just doesnt see Wall as a good fit. I agree Rose is rusty, that actually makes me excited even more. But even with that rust he has outperformed Wall.

The favor stuff is laughable.