The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

KingFox · Post #341 » by **KingFox** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:02 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:I think everyone should just enjoy all the rookies and their accomplishments. Fans dont need to degrade someone else to praise their own. They all are good.

This year in comparison to last year in terms of rookies is night and day. I am honestly enjoying watching the whole crop of rookies. We may not see this many good ones again in years.

!!!!! i honestly dont even remember anything about last year :lol:

maybe its the PTSD from the cousins trade, idk.

stitches · Post #342 » by **stitches** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:38 am

Here's your daily Donovan Mitchell fix:

Watch on YouTube

bakesale · Post #343 » by **bakesale** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:33 am

DM is the real ROTY!

Ugly0598 · Post #344 » by **Ugly0598** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:47 am

Dennis Smith Jr is playing some good ball as of late

E-Balla · Post #345 » by **E-Balla** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:06 pm

UtahJazzFan88 wrote:Dennis Smith Jr is playing some good ball as of late

His last 10 he's averaging 18.4/4.0/5.9 on 55.1 TS% and 14.4 TOV%. Per 36 that's 21.6/4.7/6.9. His PER over that stretch is a 19.6.

stitches · Post #346 » by **stitches** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:22 pm

Dennis Smith Jr was my pick for ROY pre-season. I love his long-term projection too. He was my no. 2 player in the draft and I think he will continue to get better and better. I haven't seen anything so far to dissuade me from thinking he's going to be a great player in the league. Athleticism, smooth game off the bounce, good playmaking and shot creation, improving and developing reads off the PnR. IMO the only thing that can make him fail is injuries.

3toheadmelo · Post #347 » by **3toheadmelo** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:05 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:DSJ is too nice. 21 points 6 rebounds 6 assists 3 steals

WaveTheWheat80 · Post #348 » by **WaveTheWheat80** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:22 pm

E-Balla wrote:
UtahJazzFan88 wrote:Dennis Smith Jr is playing some good ball as of late

His last 10 he's averaging 18.4/4.0/5.9 on 55.1 TS% and 14.4 TOV%. Per 36 that's 21.6/4.7/6.9. His PER over that stretch is a 19.6.

That's fantastic. He's gonna be a good one! So many good rookies in this class.

GameBredAPBT · Post #349 » by **GameBredAPBT** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:33 pm

stitches wrote:Dennis Smith Jr was my pick for ROY pre-season. I love his long-term projection too. He was my no. 2 player in the draft and I think he will continue to get better and better. I haven't seen anything so far to dissuade me from thinking he's going to be a great player in the league. Athleticism, smooth game off the bounce, good playmaking and shot creation, improving and developing reads off the PnR. IMO the only thing that can make him fail is injuries.

He isn't even close to the prospect that Mitchell is. He also has a blown out knee, which is a massive strike against him.

Most overrated guy in the draft besides Ball & has Stevie Franchise written all over him. Although he seems to have more brains that Franchise, which isn't saying a whole lot.

crazy_me_87 · Post #350 » by **crazy_me_87** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:25 pm

sixerhp3 wrote:Does everyone on this board overlook Simmons' elite defense?? Watching games and looking at the stats Simmons is going to make some all-defense teams, yet people are still saying Mitchell because Simmons is in a temporary slump..

Most people are overlooking his defense, yes. But its not suprising. Scoring is just more popular...

And Ben is not even slumping that hard. His Minutes are down so yeah his number suffer a bit .. he played over 36 Minutes before the last 10 Games its down to around 31. And yeah his defense remains elite

Overall i am so damn happy i had both Donovan and Ben really high since they entered College. I am a huge fan of both. Both are incredibly talented but also extremly High IQ Kids with great work ethic.

KqWIN · Post #351 » by **KqWIN** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:59 pm

GameBredAPBT wrote:
stitches wrote:Dennis Smith Jr was my pick for ROY pre-season. I love his long-term projection too. He was my no. 2 player in the draft and I think he will continue to get better and better. I haven't seen anything so far to dissuade me from thinking he's going to be a great player in the league. Athleticism, smooth game off the bounce, good playmaking and shot creation, improving and developing reads off the PnR. IMO the only thing that can make him fail is injuries.

He isn't even close to the prospect that Mitchell is. He also has a blown out knee, which is a massive strike against him.

Most overrated guy in the draft besides Ball & has Stevie Franchise written all over him. Although he seems to have more brains that Franchise, which isn't saying a whole lot.

How terrible it would be for DSJ to become a multiple time all star. What a bust!

khufure · Post #352 » by **khufure** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:15 pm

RGM_SU wrote:

Watch on YouTube

impressive that most of the highlights were him breaking Lillard/PTB for a on-the-hands pass. he's got a good 1st step and vision. handling seems tighter too. guards take longer to develop, got to give him time.

khufure · Post #353 » by **khufure** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:20 pm

stitches wrote:Here's your daily Donovan Mitchell fix:

Watch on YouTube

that spin move, wtf haha.

... editor is the real mvp

levon · Post #354 » by **levon** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:44 pm

stitches wrote:Here's your daily Donovan Mitchell fix:

Watch on YouTube

He honestly looks just as good of a playmaker at this level as Simmons, because he makes the right reads at the opportune times and is a huge threat to score if there's no pass within his comfort zone available. Extremely impressive. I see the Wade comparison with that high dribble pickup on his drives.

People are far too often fooled by assist numbers.

dautjazz · Post #355 » by **dautjazz** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:34 pm

levon wrote:
stitches wrote:Here's your daily Donovan Mitchell fix:

Watch on YouTube

He honestly looks just as good of a playmaker at this level as Simmons, because he makes the right reads at the opportune times and is a huge threat to score if there's no pass within his comfort zone available. Extremely impressive. I see the Wade comparison with that high dribble pickup on his drives.

People are far too often fooled by assist numbers.

Yeah Utah has one of the worst offensive teams in the NBA, much due to injuries, and inconsistent play of Hood. So you can't really expect huge amounts of assists from our SG, especially when we depend on his scoring so much. I'm sure as a starting PG on a great offensive team he could average 7 or more apg.

EDIT: Surprisingly they are 17th in offensive rating. I could understand that or better at full health, but didn't expect them there, I expected them way lower. Anyways, Donovan has a big part to do with that, his assists come from the rest of offensive which isn't very good. With Gobert though I expect his assists to climb. He's had atleast two assists with Gobert each of the last two games.

DroseReturnChi · Post #356 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:19 pm

KqWIN wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:
stitches wrote:Dennis Smith Jr was my pick for ROY pre-season. I love his long-term projection too. He was my no. 2 player in the draft and I think he will continue to get better and better. I haven't seen anything so far to dissuade me from thinking he's going to be a great player in the league. Athleticism, smooth game off the bounce, good playmaking and shot creation, improving and developing reads off the PnR. IMO the only thing that can make him fail is injuries.

He isn't even close to the prospect that Mitchell is. He also has a blown out knee, which is a massive strike against him.

Most overrated guy in the draft besides Ball & has Stevie Franchise written all over him. Although he seems to have more brains that Franchise, which isn't saying a whole lot.

How terrible it would be for DSJ to become a multiple time all star. What a bust!

Even if DSJ becomes 2 time all star the ACL thing is big fat negative. His career wont last for 10 years and will lose all the limited explosion by 30.

GameBredAPBT · Post #357 » by **GameBredAPBT** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:30 pm

KqWIN wrote:
GameBredAPBT wrote:
stitches wrote:Dennis Smith Jr was my pick for ROY pre-season. I love his long-term projection too. He was my no. 2 player in the draft and I think he will continue to get better and better. I haven't seen anything so far to dissuade me from thinking he's going to be a great player in the league. Athleticism, smooth game off the bounce, good playmaking and shot creation, improving and developing reads off the PnR. IMO the only thing that can make him fail is injuries.

He isn't even close to the prospect that Mitchell is. He also has a blown out knee, which is a massive strike against him.

Most overrated guy in the draft besides Ball & has Stevie Franchise written all over him. Although he seems to have more brains that Franchise, which isn't saying a whole lot.

How terrible it would be for DSJ to become a multiple time all star. What a bust!

I don't see him living up to the hype. Scoring PG in the mould of the early 00's fad. I think his game won't translate at the highest levels. Could be wrong, we'll see. Looks like a poor man's Mitchell if anything.

deflated · Post #358 » by **deflated** » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:10 pm

Whole lot of leaping to conclusions about DSJ around here. Can't trust his health because of his knee, just a scoring PG...sounds like 4 or 5 years back when GSW were a treadmill team 'cause Curry and his ankles weren't going to get it done. DSJ has shown flashes, maybe let him play a year or two before writing him off.

markjay · Post #359 » by **markjay** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:03 am

Lakers' all rookie line-up:
Alex Caruso
Lonzo Ball
Josh Hart
Kyle Kuzma
Thomas Bryant

Not bad. Any other team even have 5 rookies?

PLO · Post #360 » by **PLO** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:31 am

deflated wrote:Whole lot of leaping to conclusions about DSJ around here. Can't trust his health because of his knee, just a scoring PG...sounds like 4 or 5 years back when GSW were a treadmill team 'cause Curry and his ankles weren't going to get it done. DSJ has shown flashes, maybe let him play a year or two before writing him off.

It normally takes one and done rookie PGs a few years at least to work it out in the NBA. I was really high predraft on him and see no reason to change my own projection about him. The only issue with him right now is he's a pretty bad to terrible defender and is almost unplayable against certain lineups. Again, that's not uncommon among young rookie PGs.

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