China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[Blazers-1977]

The NBA shouldn't stop here, in my opinion.

The fascistic Modi regime in India, Erdogan's authoritarianism in Turkey, no NBA games in Tel Aviv until they stop building settlements in the West Bank, and any business dealings in Saudi Arabia - cut all ties and become the only league to NOT accept financial contributions from Flagrant Human Rights abusers.

The league, nor the players, have the stones, unfortunately.

This is the problem with friendship under capitalism. The NBA, like America, is complicit in their business partner's crimes against humanity.

Whichever league that does the things mentioned above will attract MUCH more revenue than expected.

India and Israel are Democracies no matter what you think of their leaders and Turkey still might be one .


On the other hand I agree with China and Saudi Arabia

[KnicksGadfly]

Did you even read my response? These are Chinese-Americans, they do not live in China. They are American citizens, they are exposed to as much Chinese propaganda as the average American.

You wrote overseas Chinese Americans. I assumed they live in China, that’s my bad then. I’d question their support for China and their sources of information considering that there’s been multiple resources in the field and on the ground that are reporting on the protests in Hong Kong.

The majority of my Chinese-American friends understand China's record on human rights and several have even gone to protests. They will put up with a lot of China bashing. However, the one thing that unifies all of them is an attack on Chinese territorial sovereignty. To them, a line has been crossed.

As a Chinese American, nah, that's bs. Most Chinese Americans don't give a ****. Also, a lot of them don't even speak Chinese. A lot identify themselves more on the American side than the Chinese side.

[seewhy]

This was your 12th post in 7 years? Really? You came back after a 5 year hiatus for this![/quote]

That's right, I just read the posts and don't post here. Does that mean I have no say? I am pretty big paying customer of NBA myself with subscription to NBA league pass. What about have a serious response to my point like Chinese customers can't vent their anger at Rocket when Morey made an irresponsible and uneducated tweet?

[seccom]

The majority of my Chinese-American friends understand China's record on human rights and several have even gone to protests. They will put up with a lot of China bashing. However, the one thing that unifies all of them is an attack on Chinese territorial sovereignty. To them, a line has been crossed.

That is BS, HK want universal suffrage, but independence. You just made up the sovereignty argument.

Have you read the news? Chinese people genuinely see this as a sovereignty issue.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2019-09-30/how-china-sees-hong-kong-crisis

Nets owner Joseph Tsai who is Taiwanese:

The one thing that is terribly misunderstood, and often ignored, by the western press and those critical of China, is that 1.4 billion Chinese citizens stand united when it comes to the territorial integrity of China and the country’s sovereignty over her homeland. This issue is non-negotiable

This is typical CCP argument. Putting word in their enemy's month. Which part of the HK protesters' 5 demands that mention anything close to independence?

As an American, it is easy to explain as a state right issue. What is wrong with a small state like Hawaii and Rhode Island to elect their own governor and state representative.

A state can have a democratic as governor, but the President can be a republican. The policy of the federal government does not need to match the policy of a state.

It is also not military possible for Hong Kong to declare its own independence.

If you are an American, you should know about the civil war. When South Carolina declared its independence, war was expected and it did happen.

HK has exactly 0 army. How can HK declared independence against a million men army like the PLA?

All the Joseph Tsai arguments are just cut and paste from People's Daily.

In fact, the current CE of HK is only elected by 777 votes out a population of 7 million. Why shouldn't an American like Morey support Freedom and Human Right for HK?

[seewhy]

Who actual speak for the 1.3 billion? Can they freely and post a twitter like Morey and not get arrest?

Wait, wait, how can these 1.3 billion people find out Morey made a twitter post about HK? Is it illegal to access Twitter from PRC?

Do you know the max jail time for illegal access twitter in China?

Chinese have the Internet and opinions too you know? This is exactly what an average American thinks about Chinese like everyone is a robot controlled by the government. If you guys actually go out of the US for once and you'd know better.

[SichtingLives]

The entire world up and went bitchmade

[wco81]

If 1.4 million Chinese believe the CCP propaganda, why are they such lambs?

[seewhy]

There is so much media bias against China in the US today. This is not about the Chinese government, this is about the 1.3 billion Chinese all standing together to condemn the violent protesters in HK who are throwing fire bomb, vandalizing buildings, attacking police, and seeking foreign aid to try and break away from China. Morey didn't just insulted the Chinese government, he insulted the entire Chinese people, the paying customers of this NBA product.

Does anyone in the US get surprised when paying customers boycott some company if the company made, lets say a racist remark about certain racial group? Why is it when a US company made a bad remark about the customers in China and Chinese boycott the company, it's all of the sudden the Chinese government attacking the freedom of speech of an US company. You mean to say US companies can make any remark Chinese customers don't like and the Chinese should just shut up and take it anyway? How much more racist can people with this kind of view get?

This is why I've been saying that this issue is much more complex than most people here understand. You guys can't even agree to half of **** in your own country, I find it pretty rich to be SJW'ing on another country that you never even cared about before this episode. Ftr, I don't believe in much of what the MSM reports anymore, there is always a biased agenda behind it all.

I say let China worry about China, we worry about ourselves and the NBA worry about playing basketball and STFU about anything else.

That's right and the Rockets is a business, they just made a business decision to apologize. It's crazy all the people and media all jump on this and use this to attack China and China's "dictatorship" without any knowledge about China and the HK issue. And I don't usually post and just enjoy discussion on basketball. But this ignorance really gets on my nerve.

[13th Man]

There is so much media bias against China in the US today. This is not about the Chinese government, this is about the 1.3 billion Chinese all standing together to condemn the violent protesters in HK who are throwing fire bomb, vandalizing buildings, attacking police, and seeking foreign aid to try and break away from China. Morey didn't just insulted the Chinese government, he insulted the entire Chinese people, the paying customers of this NBA product.

Does anyone in the US get surprised when paying customers boycott some company if the company made, lets say a racist remark about certain racial group? Why is it when a US company made a bad remark about the customers in China and Chinese boycott the company, it's all of the sudden the Chinese government attacking the freedom of speech of an US company. You mean to say US companies can make any remark Chinese customers don't like and the Chinese should just shut up and take it anyway? How much more racist can people with this kind of view get?

This is why I've been saying that this issue is much more complex than most people here understand. You guys can't even agree to half of **** in your own country, I find it pretty rich to be SJW'ing on another country that you never even cared about before this episode. Ftr, I don't believe in much of what the MSM reports anymore, there is always a biased agenda behind it all.

I say let China worry about China, we worry about ourselves and the NBA worry about playing basketball and STFU about anything else.

That's right and the Rockets is a business, they just made a business decision to apologize. It's crazy all the people and media all jump on this and use this to attack China and China's "dictatorship" without any knowledge about China and the HK issue. And I don't usually post and just enjoy discussion on basketball. But this ignorance really gets on my nerve.

I hear you brother. The worst thing you can do imo is believe in everything that the mainstream media feeds you, lately 90% of which are total crap imo.

[seccom]

Who actual speak for the 1.3 billion? Can they freely and post a twitter like Morey and not get arrest?

Wait, wait, how can these 1.3 billion people find out Morey made a twitter post about HK? Is it illegal to access Twitter from PRC?

Do you know the max jail time for illegal access twitter in China?

Chinese have the Internet and opinions too you know? This is exactly what an average American thinks about Chinese like everyone is a robot controlled by the government. If you guys actually go out of the US for once and you'd know better.

I got it, you have free and open internet. Of course. All the Chinese troll army, you know, the 50 cents army (wumao in Chinese, right) has free access to the internet. Some may VPN out. But 1.3 billion has VPN, LAMO.

Let us get real here, no one in the free world wrote like you. Speaking for 1.3 billion.

Most people in the free world don't care about their government and politics most of the time. Most people in the US, except NBA fans, probably don't know who is Morey.

I love NBA basketball, 40 years Lakers fan. If no one in China watch NBA basketball, why I should I care.

[Liminy]

You're seeing this from a western perspective. It's their country, who are you to tell them how it should be run?

No I’m looking at it from a human perspective.

Govts shouldn’t massacre political dissidents. NBA shouldn’t pander to authoritarians.

What are you going to say next, that the Chinese aren’t ready for Western style democracy?

So what is your proposed solution to handle this? To me this is a complicated matter because the Chinese is intertwined in all types of relations with the United States, so you have to tread carefully. Keep in mind that they are superpower as well and are no pushover country.

They are also terrified of the truth about them getting out. Why do you think they are so freaking sensitive?

[CarMalone]

That is BS, HK want universal suffrage, but independence. You just made up the sovereignty argument.

Have you read the news? Chinese people genuinely see this as a sovereignty issue.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2019-09-30/how-china-sees-hong-kong-crisis

Nets owner Joseph Tsai who is Taiwanese:

The one thing that is terribly misunderstood, and often ignored, by the western press and those critical of China, is that 1.4 billion Chinese citizens stand united when it comes to the territorial integrity of China and the country’s sovereignty over her homeland. This issue is non-negotiable

This is typical CCP argument. Putting word in their enemy's month. Which part of the HK protesters' 5 demands that mention anything close to independence?

As an American, it is easy to explain as a state right issue. What is wrong with a small state like Hawaii and Rhode Island to elect their own governor and state representative.

A state can have a democratic as governor, but the President can be a republican. The policy of the federal government does not need to match the policy of a state.

It is also not military possible for Hong Kong to declare its own independence.

If you are an American, you should know about the civil war. When South Carolina declared its independence, war was expected and it did happen.

HK has exactly 0 army. How can HK declared independence against a million men army like the PLA?

All the Joseph Tsai arguments are just cut and paste from People's Daily.

In fact, the current CE of HK is only elected by 777 votes out a population of 7 million. Why shouldn't an American like Morey support Freedom and Human Right for HK?

You claimed that I made up the sovereignty issue. I provided sources that described that many Chinese people feel this is a sovereignty issue, both published and anecdotal. I am not here to argue whether or not it is valid, only that a lot of people feel that way.

PS, I don't really care, but are you actually American? Because you emphasized being American several times and your grammar is, well, not good...

[Johnny Bball]

It wasn't when I was growing up, except for the Olympics which is understandable. Cable news networks used to be respected as non-biased news, even CNN. Late night talk shows made fun of politicians equally, even SNL had their hosts like Norm McDonald that poked fun at the Clintons incessantly. Now if you have a guy with one record of saying something against their narrative, he gets fired immediately. Movie stars were never political activists, they just acted and did their thing. Sports shows only reported on sports, not issues on social justice. Players used to respect the anthem until Kaepernick.

So no. From my observation, entertainment was rarely used as a vehicle to push one's political biases until only a few years ago. It really has gotten out of hand and a lot of people are frankly sick of it.

SJWs are running rampant these days and from my observation are the biggest hypocrites. As Jordan Peterson put it, clean up your room and sort yourself out before worrying about others.

Did you grow up before the Colosseum was built in Rome? You can blah blah about SJWs all you want but that has nothing to do with the topic, or his comment.

Of course it does. I listed most of the entertainment outlets in which I stated that none had political leanings until recently. How does that not address his assertion that politics has always been pushed via the entertainment avenues?

Its right there in my post. It's as old as time itself. Placating the masses to miss the forest for the trees. If you didn't happen to see it growing up... what do you want me to tell you.

[DowJones]

There is so much media bias against China in the US today. This is not about the Chinese government, this is about the 1.3 billion Chinese all standing together to condemn the violent protesters in HK who are throwing fire bomb, vandalizing buildings, attacking police, and seeking foreign aid to try and break away from China. Morey didn't just insulted the Chinese government, he insulted the entire Chinese people, the paying customers of this NBA product.

Does anyone in the US get surprised when paying customers boycott some company if the company made, lets say a racist remark about certain racial group? Why is it when a US company made a bad remark about the customers in China and Chinese boycott the company, it's all of the sudden the Chinese government attacking the freedom of speech of an US company. You mean to say US companies can make any remark Chinese customers don't like and the Chinese should just shut up and take it anyway? How much more racist can people with this kind of view get?

This is why I've been saying that this issue is much more complex than most people here understand. You guys can't even agree to half of **** in your own country, I find it pretty rich to be SJW'ing on another country that you never even cared about before this episode. Ftr, I don't believe in much of what the MSM reports anymore, there is always a biased agenda behind it all.

I say let China worry about China, we worry about ourselves and the NBA worry about playing basketball and STFU about anything else.

That's right and the Rockets is a business, they just made a business decision to apologize. It's crazy all the people and media all jump on this and use this to attack China and China's "dictatorship" without any knowledge about China and the HK issue. And I don't usually post and just enjoy discussion on basketball. But this ignorance really gets on my nerve.

China is a communist regime that sensors what their people can say and hear. The Rockets can make a business decision. That is their right. Since this is America, they have that luxury. However in America I have the luxury of disagreeing publicly with that decision. So does the media. Again--this is America, not China. We have freedom of speech and expression here.

[13th Man]

Did you grow up before the Colosseum was built in Rome? You can blah blah about SJWs all you want but that has nothing to do with the topic, or his comment.

Of course it does. I listed most of the entertainment outlets in which I stated that none had political leanings until recently. How does that not address his assertion that politics has always been pushed via the entertainment avenues?

Its right there in my post. It's as old as time itself. If you didn't happen to see it growing up... what do you want me to tell you.

Well at least I stated my case on how things used to be non-political or not as one-sided as they are now.

[DowJones]

Have you read the news? Chinese people genuinely see this as a sovereignty issue.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2019-09-30/how-china-sees-hong-kong-crisis

Nets owner Joseph Tsai who is Taiwanese:

This is typical CCP argument. Putting word in their enemy's month. Which part of the HK protesters' 5 demands that mention anything close to independence?

As an American, it is easy to explain as a state right issue. What is wrong with a small state like Hawaii and Rhode Island to elect their own governor and state representative.

A state can have a democratic as governor, but the President can be a republican. The policy of the federal government does not need to match the policy of a state.

It is also not military possible for Hong Kong to declare its own independence.

If you are an American, you should know about the civil war. When South Carolina declared its independence, war was expected and it did happen.

HK has exactly 0 army. How can HK declared independence against a million men army like the PLA?

All the Joseph Tsai arguments are just cut and paste from People's Daily.

In fact, the current CE of HK is only elected by 777 votes out a population of 7 million. Why shouldn't an American like Morey support Freedom and Human Right for HK?

You claimed that I made up the sovereignty issue. I provided sources that described that many Chinese people feel this is a sovereignty issue, both published and anecdotal. I am not here to argue whether or not it is valid, only that a lot of people feel that way.

PS, I don't really care, but are you actually American? Because you emphasized being American several times and your grammar is, well, not good...

Of course they feel that way--they are fed communist talking points every day at home.

[SomeBunghole]

Yikes, you missed the point entirely. My point is that Chinese-Americans are accustomed to hearing about complaints about human rights and trade practices. They are not supporting China. However, issues of territorial integrity like Taiwan, Tibet, etc elicit a different reaction and feels more personal.

It's the same regime though. The same regime that violates human rights invaded Tibet, threatens to prevent Taiwan declaring independence by force, and took over Hong Kong(and Macau) in 1999. It's not like there's the current communist China that you can be opposed to, while supporting some magical China that exists in the hearts and minds of Chinese-Americans.

[galeon110]

Yikes, you missed the point entirely. My point is that Chinese-Americans are accustomed to hearing about complaints about human rights and trade practices. They are not supporting China. However, issues of territorial integrity like Taiwan, Tibet, etc elicit a different reaction and feels more personal.

It's the same regime though. The same regime that violates human rights invaded Tibet, threatens to prevent Taiwan declaring independence by force, and took over Hong Kong(and Macau) in 1999. It's not like there's the current communist China that you can be opposed to, while supporting some magical China that exists in the hearts and minds of Chinese-Americans.

That magical China that has a democratic voting system with full freedom of speech, that China exists my friend, it’s called the Republic of China and they reside in Taiwan.

[NiceLikeChrist]

There is so much media bias against China in the US today. This is not about the Chinese government, this is about the 1.3 billion Chinese all standing together to condemn the violent protesters in HK who are throwing fire bomb, vandalizing buildings, attacking police, and seeking foreign aid to try and break away from China. Morey didn't just insulted the Chinese government, he insulted the entire Chinese people, the paying customers of this NBA product.

Does anyone in the US get surprised when paying customers boycott some company if the company made, lets say a racist remark about certain racial group? Why is it when a US company made a bad remark about the customers in China and Chinese boycott the company, it's all of the sudden the Chinese government attacking the freedom of speech of an US company. You mean to say US companies can make any remark Chinese customers don't like and the Chinese should just shut up and take it anyway? How much more racist can people with this kind of view get?

Man what in the hell is this argument

My guy really compared company RACISM to supporting Hong Kong. Supporting HK is not an attack on Chinese people. It's support for HK who are..get this..also Chinese people. Chinese people who support HK are not coons, they're just sensible human beings.

[G R E Y]

Hmm. So we've got G-League games and now an NBA Cares event.

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Something about these particular cancellations gives off a paper tiger air. It's not that the Chinese government isn't pissed, obviously, it's that these efforts have less teeth than I thought, sort of more irritating and keeping the upset in the news rather than real bite. It's not like the NBA isn't the premier basketball ticket in the world. If they start cancelling actual NBA teams, it hurts their own bottom line, and the NBA ought to draw a clear line there.

Something tells me this is the game back and forth right now. Earlier today Lonnie Walker and Patty Mills - two players outspoken about social issues - pretty much dodged the question (both said something to the effect of needing to know more about it). So I imagine behind the scenes there's a message about how to handle this issue in the media while China cancels the relatively less relevant NBA events.

Let's not forget this is a partnership. And if they don't want NBA team there - notice that the NBA game with the Nets wasn't canceled - there are plenty of places in the world where they'll be welcome.