Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[DoubleLintendre]

According to Dr. Kim, a South Korean coronavirus expert relapse after recovery has been documented (source:

Watch on YouTube

There were 65 confirmed relapse cases of COVID-19 after a 5-10 day period. In Daegu, ~6% of recovered cases are reconfirmed. This information conflicts with the common belief that the people can't get sick once they're well again. It can go positive, negative, positive.

This is most likely due to the virus not being fully eradicated from the body, as opposed to a new reinfection. Later in the interview Dr. Kim sites 26 days as the longest they have recorded the virus active in a person.

The viral count for the South Korean tests is around ~3000. Under that number and their tests show a negative result. Perhaps tests need to be developed to show the virus under that count?

The whole interview was very enlightening. I encourage others to watch the full thing. There's another one from a few weeks before as well.

[DowJones]

I am not to the point, yet, where I believe this. I do think it is a possibility. Talk about an absolute disaster if this is concluded to be true.

Read on Twitter

[13th Man]

If someone held a gun to my head right now and ask me to choose the correct answer, I would have to pick lab. Just too many coincidences pointing to the labs in Wuhan.

I don't know if the virus was intentionally leaked or by accident but if you watch the documentary called, "The first documentary movie on CCP virus, Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus" on YouTube, there is a lot of compelling information in there pointing to the P4 Lab in Wuhan as the source.

I am half-Asian btw, but F*** China. Don't trust their government one bit.

[Zenzibar]

I am not to the point, yet, where I believe this. I do think it is a possibility. Talk about an absolute disaster if this is concluded to be true.

Read on Twitter

Then you have this:

COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US

By Larry Romanoff
Global Research, March 11, 2020
Region: USA
Theme: Intelligence, Science and Medicine
print 37.2K 67.6K 1459 121K

It would be useful to read this prior article for background:

China’s Coronavirus: A Shocking Update. Did The Virus Originate in the US?

By Larry Romanoff, March 04, 2020

***

As readers will recall from the earlier article (above), Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists and pharmacologists have determined that the new coronavirus could have originated in the US since that country is the only one known to have all five types – from which all others must have descended. Wuhan in China has only one of those types, rendering it in analogy as a kind of “branch” which cannot exist by itself but must have grown from a “tree”.

The Taiwanese physician noted that in August of 2019 the US had a flurry of lung pneumonias or similar, which the Americans blamed on ‘vaping’ from e-cigarettes, but which, according to the scientist, the symptoms and conditions could not be explained by e-cigarettes. He said he wrote to the US officials telling them he suspected those deaths were likely due to the coronavirus. He claims his warnings were ignored.

Immediately prior to that, the CDC totally shut down the US Military’s main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, issuing a complete “cease and desist” order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the ‘e-cigarette’ epidemic arose.

We also had the Japanese citizens infected in [b]September of 2019, in Hawaii, people who had never been to China, these infections occurring on US soil long before the outbreak in Wuhan but only shortly after the locking down of Fort Detrick.[/b]

[DowJones]

If someone was to hold a gun to my head right now and ask me to choose the correct answer, I would have to pick lab. Just too many coincidences pointing to the labs in Wuhan.

I don't know if the virus was intentionally leaked or by accident but if you watch the documentary called, "The first documentary movie on CCP virus, Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus" on YouTube, there is a lot of compelling information in there pointing to the P4 Lab in Wuhan as the source.

I am half-Asian btw, but F*** China. Don't trust their government one bit.

China has been very secretive, like they have something big to hide. It is very disturbing.

[Whole Truth]

I am not to the point, yet, where I believe this. I do think it is a possibility. Talk about an absolute disaster if this is concluded to be true.

Read on Twitter

Then you have this:

COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US

By Larry Romanoff
Global Research, March 11, 2020
Region: USA
Theme: Intelligence, Science and Medicine
print 37.2K 67.6K 1459 121K

It would be useful to read this prior article for background:

China’s Coronavirus: A Shocking Update. Did The Virus Originate in the US?

By Larry Romanoff, March 04, 2020

***

As readers will recall from the earlier article (above), Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists and pharmacologists have determined that the new coronavirus could have originated in the US since that country is the only one known to have all five types – from which all others must have descended. Wuhan in China has only one of those types, rendering it in analogy as a kind of “branch” which cannot exist by itself but must have grown from a “tree”.

The Taiwanese physician noted that in August of 2019 the US had a flurry of lung pneumonias or similar, which the Americans blamed on ‘vaping’ from e-cigarettes, but which, according to the scientist, the symptoms and conditions could not be explained by e-cigarettes. He said he wrote to the US officials telling them he suspected those deaths were likely due to the coronavirus. He claims his warnings were ignored.

Immediately prior to that, the CDC totally shut down the US Military’s main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, issuing a complete “cease and desist” order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the ‘e-cigarette’ epidemic arose.

We also had the Japanese citizens infected in [b]September of 2019, in Hawaii, people who had never been to China, these infections occurring on US soil long before the outbreak in Wuhan but only shortly after the locking down of Fort Detrick.[/b]

Then you have this

Respiratory illness outbreak at retirement home kills 2 and sickens dozens more
By Darran Simon and Rebekah Riess, CNN

Updated 0232 GMT (1032 HKT) July 12, 2019

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/virginia-retirement-community-respiratory-illness-outbreak/index.html

If CNN is right at pointing the finger at the US for the outbreak, this virus has been circulating for a year.

[bwgood77]

Masks now required in Austin:

Austin and Travis County on Monday extended stay-at-home orders until May 8 in new mandates that include requirements for people to wear facial covers when in public.

The orders, issued simultaneously by Travis County and the city of Austin, require people over the age of 10 to wear facial coverings when in public, as outlined by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Exceptions can be made for when people are exercising, are outside only with members of their household, or are eating or drinking.

Facial coverings are required while using public transportation, ride shares or taxis and while pumping gas. But they are not required while riding in a personal vehicle.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200413/coronavirus-in-austin-facial-coverings-now-required

Are you allowed outside with members that aren't from your household? I didn't think you were.

I don't know for sure. I don't think so but I suppose it can happen picking up food when they bring it out or stepping outside to sign for a delivery or something.

[Whole Truth]

If someone was to hold a gun to my head right now and ask me to choose the correct answer, I would have to pick lab. Just too many coincidences pointing to the labs in Wuhan.

I don't know if the virus was intentionally leaked or by accident but if you watch the documentary called, "The first documentary movie on CCP virus, Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus" on YouTube, there is a lot of compelling information in there pointing to the P4 Lab in Wuhan as the source.

I am half-Asian btw, but F*** China. Don't trust their government one bit.

China has been very secretive, like they have something big to hide. It is very disturbing.

When lies are being spread look to actions for the truth.

At the initial outbreak of this in Wuhan, XI was visiting patients with only a mask when all that was supposedly known about this virus then, was that it spreads quickly & is potentially deadly. Is he the type to take that kind of risk?

I'd think at that early point of outbreak, they knew more for him to take that type risk.

I like to question authority so people can call me a conspiracy theorist for my belief if they want. I think China couldn't take 4 more years of Trumps trade war.

[MotownMadness]

Yeah ive been leaning towards it leaking from that Wuhan lab for a while now. It comes from a horsehoe bat and theres legit a documentary of those scientists from that exact lab going up in a cave and extracting viruses from a horseshoe bats.

Someone got it on them and they tried to cover it up the second it started becoming human to human and doctors realized they were spreading it amonst themselves thinking they were treating pneumonia at first.

[michaelm]

I am not to the point, yet, where I believe this. I do think it is a possibility. Talk about an absolute disaster if this is concluded to be true.

Read on Twitter

Then you have this:

COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US

By Larry Romanoff
Global Research, March 11, 2020
Region: USA
Theme: Intelligence, Science and Medicine
print 37.2K 67.6K 1459 121K

It would be useful to read this prior article for background:

China’s Coronavirus: A Shocking Update. Did The Virus Originate in the US?

By Larry Romanoff, March 04, 2020

***

As readers will recall from the earlier article (above), Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists and pharmacologists have determined that the new coronavirus could have originated in the US since that country is the only one known to have all five types – from which all others must have descended. Wuhan in China has only one of those types, rendering it in analogy as a kind of “branch” which cannot exist by itself but must have grown from a “tree”.

The Taiwanese physician noted that in August of 2019 the US had a flurry of lung pneumonias or similar, which the Americans blamed on ‘vaping’ from e-cigarettes, but which, according to the scientist, the symptoms and conditions could not be explained by e-cigarettes. He said he wrote to the US officials telling them he suspected those deaths were likely due to the coronavirus. He claims his warnings were ignored.

Immediately prior to that, the CDC totally shut down the US Military’s main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, issuing a complete “cease and desist” order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the ‘e-cigarette’ epidemic arose.

We also had the Japanese citizens infected in [b]September of 2019, in Hawaii, people who had never been to China, these infections occurring on US soil long before the outbreak in Wuhan but only shortly after the locking down of Fort Detrick.[/b]

Then you have this

Respiratory illness outbreak at retirement home kills 2 and sickens dozens more
By Darran Simon and Rebekah Riess, CNN

Updated 0232 GMT (1032 HKT) July 12, 2019

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/virginia-retirement-community-respiratory-illness-outbreak/index.html

If CNN is right at pointing the finger at the US for the outbreak, this virus has been circulating for a year.

The alternative explanation for the different strains being in America is that everyone kept flying to the US from everywhere well after the disease was established elsewhere.

The vaping thing is well worked out and was a completely different pathology analogous to a chemical burn with the component involved pretty much identified.

[LAKESHOW]

I am not to the point, yet, where I believe this. I do think it is a possibility. Talk about an absolute disaster if this is concluded to be true.

Read on Twitter

There is too much Global loss of life. Reparations. Whether wet market, lab or otherwise.

[Whole Truth]

Then you have this:

COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US

By Larry Romanoff
Global Research, March 11, 2020
Region: USA
Theme: Intelligence, Science and Medicine
print 37.2K 67.6K 1459 121K

It would be useful to read this prior article for background:

China’s Coronavirus: A Shocking Update. Did The Virus Originate in the US?

By Larry Romanoff, March 04, 2020

***

As readers will recall from the earlier article (above), Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists and pharmacologists have determined that the new coronavirus could have originated in the US since that country is the only one known to have all five types – from which all others must have descended. Wuhan in China has only one of those types, rendering it in analogy as a kind of “branch” which cannot exist by itself but must have grown from a “tree”.

The Taiwanese physician noted that in August of 2019 the US had a flurry of lung pneumonias or similar, which the Americans blamed on ‘vaping’ from e-cigarettes, but which, according to the scientist, the symptoms and conditions could not be explained by e-cigarettes. He said he wrote to the US officials telling them he suspected those deaths were likely due to the coronavirus. He claims his warnings were ignored.

Immediately prior to that, the CDC totally shut down the US Military’s main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, issuing a complete “cease and desist” order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the ‘e-cigarette’ epidemic arose.

We also had the Japanese citizens infected in [b]September of 2019, in Hawaii, people who had never been to China, these infections occurring on US soil long before the outbreak in Wuhan but only shortly after the locking down of Fort Detrick.[/b]

Then you have this

Respiratory illness outbreak at retirement home kills 2 and sickens dozens more
By Darran Simon and Rebekah Riess, CNN

Updated 0232 GMT (1032 HKT) July 12, 2019

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/virginia-retirement-community-respiratory-illness-outbreak/index.html

If CNN is right at pointing the finger at the US for the outbreak, this virus has been circulating for a year.

The alternative explanation for the different strains being in America is that everyone kept flying to the US from everywhere well after the disease was established elsewhere.

The vaping thing is well worked out and was a completely different pathology analogous to a chemical burn with the component involved pretty much identified.

An internationally respected virologist involved with the Wuhan lab absolutely insists it was not related to the lab, which was functioning with international co-operation, while not holding back at all about the dangers of the wet markets and small farmers forced to the edge of the forests by large scale/factory farming starting to farm wild animals alongside domestic animals. It also stretches credulity that the disease took so long to declare itself if accidentally brought to Wuhan by American soldiers who attended military games there a few months before.

That doesn't jive with how it's currently spreading across the globe.

[nymets1]

This is getting out of hand with wearing masks. This wearing masks is not proven to avoid catching a sickness. How about just social distance and try not to get closer than 6 feet from someone. I hate this social distancing thing but I rather deal with that 6 feet away thing than this wearing a mask. You won't catch anything if your outside unless your literally right on top of someone 3 feet or less. IF we are outside and it's in the wide open and you are 6 feet or more away from the closet person, the air escapes up into the sky. The problems are being inside places where fresh air is not able to come in and bad air can't escape. AC/ Heater definetly not a source of fresh air and replacing the bad air. For a inside place to get fresh air to come in and get bad air out, it has to be a combination of doors/ windows open.

[HollowEarth]

Spoiler:

I am not to the point, yet, where I believe this. I do think it is a possibility. Talk about an absolute disaster if this is concluded to be true.

Read on Twitter

Then you have this:

COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US

By Larry Romanoff
Global Research, March 11, 2020
Region: USA
Theme: Intelligence, Science and Medicine
print 37.2K 67.6K 1459 121K

It would be useful to read this prior article for background:

China’s Coronavirus: A Shocking Update. Did The Virus Originate in the US?

By Larry Romanoff, March 04, 2020

***

As readers will recall from the earlier article (above), Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists and pharmacologists have determined that the new coronavirus could have originated in the US since that country is the only one known to have all five types – from which all others must have descended. Wuhan in China has only one of those types, rendering it in analogy as a kind of “branch” which cannot exist by itself but must have grown from a “tree”.

The Taiwanese physician noted that in August of 2019 the US had a flurry of lung pneumonias or similar, which the Americans blamed on ‘vaping’ from e-cigarettes, but which, according to the scientist, the symptoms and conditions could not be explained by e-cigarettes. He said he wrote to the US officials telling them he suspected those deaths were likely due to the coronavirus. He claims his warnings were ignored.

Immediately prior to that, the CDC totally shut down the US Military’s main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, issuing a complete “cease and desist” order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the ‘e-cigarette’ epidemic arose.

We also had the Japanese citizens infected in [b]September of 2019, in Hawaii, people who had never been to China, these infections occurring on US soil long before the outbreak in Wuhan but only shortly after the locking down of Fort Detrick.[/b]

Then you have this

Respiratory illness outbreak at retirement home kills 2 and sickens dozens more
By Darran Simon and Rebekah Riess, CNN

Updated 0232 GMT (1032 HKT) July 12, 2019

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/virginia-retirement-community-respiratory-illness-outbreak/index.html

If CNN is right at pointing the finger at the US for the outbreak, this virus has been circulating for a year.

That CNN article doesn't mention the coronavirus, nor does it touch on the US government: "Health officials said respiratory outbreaks at facilities housing vulnerable, older adult populations are not uncommon."

Also, that Larry Romanoff article doesn't really put forth an argument beyond its accusation. It argues that people in Hawaii got the virus without going to China, so he claims that it's unlikely that the virus originated there. He accuses the US government of bio-engineering the virus in Fort Detrick, Maryland, but that's nowhere near Hawaii, so it fails the standard he previously tried to use for China. His whole argument is based around some implied connection between e-cigarettes. This makes no sense, because the coronavirus hits the elderly hardest and the e-cigarette problems were the opposite. Less than a quarter of people who went into the hospital for e-cigarette lung problems were over 35: "24% of patients were 35 years or older." ( https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html )

[HollowEarth]

If someone was to hold a gun to my head right now and ask me to choose the correct answer, I would have to pick lab. Just too many coincidences pointing to the labs in Wuhan.

I don't know if the virus was intentionally leaked or by accident but if you watch the documentary called, "The first documentary movie on CCP virus, Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus" on YouTube, there is a lot of compelling information in there pointing to the P4 Lab in Wuhan as the source.

I am half-Asian btw, but F*** China. Don't trust their government one bit.

China has been very secretive, like they have something big to hide. It is very disturbing.

Multiple levels of the PRC took steps to silence people talking about the virus as early as 12/30/2019. On 1/1/2020, Hubei local health department questioned doctors, stopped testing, and ordered research destroyed. On 1/14/2020, the WHO relayed a message from Chinese health authorities that the virus could not be transmitted from person to person. By 1/17/2020, Wuhan announced that there were no new cases. ( https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html )

Those attempts to save face almost certainly made things much worse, and it fuels conspiracies.

[Trader_Joe]

I am not to the point, yet, where I believe this. I do think it is a possibility. Talk about an absolute disaster if this is concluded to be true.

Read on Twitter

Then you have this:

COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US

By Larry Romanoff
Global Research, March 11, 2020
Region: USA
Theme: Intelligence, Science and Medicine
print 37.2K 67.6K 1459 121K

It would be useful to read this prior article for background:

China’s Coronavirus: A Shocking Update. Did The Virus Originate in the US?

By Larry Romanoff, March 04, 2020

***

As readers will recall from the earlier article (above), Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists and pharmacologists have determined that the new coronavirus could have originated in the US since that country is the only one known to have all five types – from which all others must have descended. Wuhan in China has only one of those types, rendering it in analogy as a kind of “branch” which cannot exist by itself but must have grown from a “tree”.

The Taiwanese physician noted that in August of 2019 the US had a flurry of lung pneumonias or similar, which the Americans blamed on ‘vaping’ from e-cigarettes, but which, according to the scientist, the symptoms and conditions could not be explained by e-cigarettes. He said he wrote to the US officials telling them he suspected those deaths were likely due to the coronavirus. He claims his warnings were ignored.

Immediately prior to that, the CDC totally shut down the US Military’s main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, issuing a complete “cease and desist” order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the ‘e-cigarette’ epidemic arose.

We also had the Japanese citizens infected in [b]September of 2019, in Hawaii, people who had never been to China, these infections occurring on US soil long before the outbreak in Wuhan but only shortly after the locking down of Fort Detrick.[/b]

Then you have this

Respiratory illness outbreak at retirement home kills 2 and sickens dozens more
By Darran Simon and Rebekah Riess, CNN

Updated 0232 GMT (1032 HKT) July 12, 2019

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/virginia-retirement-community-respiratory-illness-outbreak/index.html

If CNN is right at pointing the finger at the US for the outbreak, this virus has been circulating for a year.

Interesting...the retirement community is less than an hour from the shut-down lab Fort Detrick.

Is this really chess vs. checkers?

What better way to turn the whole world on China than unleashing this virus near their wet markets and lab and making it look like it came from there? First blame it on their culture (wet markets), then their secretive and deceptive regime (communists no less) and then their lab. China looks guilty no matter how you slice it. Maybe that's what others want?

Sadly, we will probably never be allowed to know the truth.

[HollowEarth]

This is getting out of hand with wearing masks. This wearing masks is not proven to avoid catching a sickness. How about just social distance and try not to get closer than 6 feet from someone. I hate this social distancing thing but I rather deal with that 6 feet away thing than this wearing a mask. You won't catch anything if your outside unless your literally right on top of someone 3 feet or less. IF we are outside and it's in the wide open and you are 6 feet or more away from the closet person, the air escapes up into the sky. The problems are being inside places where fresh air is not able to come in and bad air can't escape. AC/ Heater definetly not a source of fresh air and replacing the bad air. For a inside place to get fresh air to come in and get bad air out, it has to be a combination of doors/ windows open.

Source? I've never heard that.

Masks might be weird and stressful, and I don't know if this helps, but everybody you see wearing a mask is wearing that mask because they believe it's going to protect you and the other people around them. Even if you doubt the effectiveness of their mask, they're still trying to look out for you.

[TMU]

This is getting out of hand with wearing masks. This wearing masks is not proven to avoid catching a sickness. How about just social distance and try not to get closer than 6 feet from someone. I hate this social distancing thing but I rather deal with that 6 feet away thing than this wearing a mask. You won't catch anything if your outside unless your literally right on top of someone 3 feet or less. IF we are outside and it's in the wide open and you are 6 feet or more away from the closet person, the air escapes up into the sky. The problems are being inside places where fresh air is not able to come in and bad air can't escape. AC/ Heater definetly not a source of fresh air and replacing the bad air. For a inside place to get fresh air to come in and get bad air out, it has to be a combination of doors/ windows open.

How is it getting out of hand? It's not just catching the disease, but more so to not transmit the virus from an asymptomatic person someone like yourself who thinks masks are ridiculous.

[OkcSinceSGA]

[Borderline conspiracy theory content removed.] -Dome

[RoLo]

its not that ppl didnt believe IT. its that ppl didnt believe U