[WOJ] Pistons and Blake Griffin agree to buyout *UPDATE 3/7 Agrees to Deal with Brooklyn...

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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#341 » by Antinomy » Mon Mar 8, 2021 12:44 am

Seems like a Cousins to GS move.
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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#342 » by basketballRob » Mon Mar 8, 2021 12:47 am

Blake couldn't lead a stacked team, in his prime, out of the first round. He's always been a slightly below average defender. If his offense isn't good, he may not see the floor much.

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Re: [WOJ] Pistons and Blake Griffin agree to buyout, Gave back 13.3 mil [SHAMS/STEIN] Nets Front Runners for Griffin... 

Post#343 » by YogurtProducer » Mon Mar 8, 2021 12:52 am

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HMFFL wrote:....overall I believe he handled the trade to Detroit very well. Yes, even if he didn't play much, but he still was positive, and not a cancer to my knowledge.



Confirmed. Blake was a total pro when he came to Detroit. Didn't complain, had a great attitude, and was a great teammate the whole time.

2018/19, his first full season in the D, may well have been the best season of his career. He was an absolute beast and added 3 pt range. He was a legit & worthy mvp candidate. Casey played the hell out of him and he was able to stay healthy the entire season.... until the final week & into the playoffs. A knee issue crept in, and he was done.

Not just done for the playoffs, but done. He tried selling the notion that he was healthy at the beginning of the 2019/20 season, but he was clearly limited and uncomfortable out on the floor. He was a shell of the previous year's player and was shut down. This year looked much like last year, but he put together a few good games before being yanked for trade/buyout consideration.

If Detroit was trying to compete for the playoffs, they wouldn't have put Blake on the market. But they're trying to compete for the draft while seeing what they have in their young players. Not a situation for a vet like Blake to end his career in. So the team did Blake a solid by facilitating his exit, and Blake reciprocated by leaving 13.3 on the table.

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Casey would never...
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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#344 » by Saints14 » Mon Mar 8, 2021 1:00 am

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Saints14 wrote:Not a good look for CP3 if Griffin and Jordan can win without him


lmao what?


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Re: [WOJ] Pistons and Blake Griffin agree to buyout *UPDATE 3/7 Agrees to Deal with Brooklyn... 

Post#345 » by wade44 » Mon Mar 8, 2021 1:13 am

Interested to see what he's got left in the tank but keeping my expectations low
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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#346 » by og15 » Mon Mar 8, 2021 1:18 am

basketballRob wrote:Blake couldn't lead a stacked team, in his prime, out of the first round. He's always been a slightly below average defender. If his offense isn't good, he may not see the floor much.

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When did Blake play on a stacked team, and when did they not get past the first round? Don't remember either of those things happening, details please
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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#347 » by basketballRob » Mon Mar 8, 2021 1:28 am

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basketballRob wrote:Blake couldn't lead a stacked team, in his prime, out of the first round. He's always been a slightly below average defender. If his offense isn't good, he may not see the floor much.

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When did Blake play on a stacked team, and when did they not get past the first round? Don't remember either of those things happening, details please
Well 3 times they got knocked out in the first round. A couple of those times they were near the best regular season team.

A young CP3, DJ, JJ were all on those teams.

It's happens all the time when your big minute players can't defend, they under achieve.

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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#348 » by og15 » Mon Mar 8, 2021 1:45 am

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basketballRob wrote:Blake couldn't lead a stacked team, in his prime, out of the first round. He's always been a slightly below average defender. If his offense isn't good, he may not see the floor much.

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When did Blake play on a stacked team, and when did they not get past the first round? Don't remember either of those things happening, details please
Well 3 times they got knocked out in the first round. A couple of those times they were near the best regular season team.

A young CP3, DJ, JJ were all on those teams.

It's happens all the time when your big minute players can't defend, they under achieve.

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All three times the Clippers got knocked out of the first round, Blake got injured. If you were using this as an example of his injury prone nature, it would make sense, and I agree, injuries have been a big struggle for him in his career.

Also they wouldn't be underachieving if they are losing b/c big minutes guys can't defend, it would simply mean they were not good enough on defense. It's only underachieving if people are neglecting defense when evaluating a team, which does happen a lot, so I guess it makes sense.

Look at the three first round exits though. The first time in 12-13, JJ wasn't on the team yet, and DJ was still a below average player, but that isn't as relevant as the fact that Blake got injured and barely played the last two games of the series due to it. In 15-16, both him and Paul got injured in the 3rd quarter of game 4, they were up 2-1. In 16-17, he got injured right before half time of game 3. Clippers still won the game and were up 2-1, but it was a tough road after that obviously, especially with DJ as the second leading scorer for the team the rest of the series. Context does matter.

Clippers were a good team, but definitely not stacked, a team can't be called stacked if their bench is as bad as that 14-15 team, and if they only have one 6'7+ player that gets playoff minutes (Matt Barnes). The starting lineup was definitely great, but Jamal Crawford is generally a poor playoff performer and if Austin Rivers is a teams 7th man, they better have something like the Nets top 3, unless that's not an overall strong team.
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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#349 » by ConstableChaos » Mon Mar 8, 2021 1:54 am

Brooklyns back up C is jeff green - Is 2021 Blake better than him?
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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#350 » by therealbig3 » Mon Mar 8, 2021 2:04 am

They literally just picked him up off the scrap heap for the vet minimum. They have nothing to lose and a ton to gain. How can anyone hate on this move lol?
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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#351 » by Metallikid » Mon Mar 8, 2021 2:19 am

therealbig3 wrote:They literally just picked him up off the scrap heap for the vet minimum. They have nothing to lose and a ton to gain. How can anyone hate on this move lol?


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Re: Shams/Woj: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#352 » by JoseRizal » Mon Mar 8, 2021 2:21 am

Great low risk, high reward signing. Not sure where the hate is coming from, it's for the vets minimum...
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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#353 » by JoseRizal » Mon Mar 8, 2021 2:41 am

SweetTouch wrote:
FreeThrowLine wrote:
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Jordan has been an all star
Blake has been an all star


So I guess Lebron had 3 all stars alongside him last year when he lead his team against the mighty Miami Heat?

Rondo has been an all star
Dwight has been an all star
Davis is an all star


Is 5 still greater than 4?


Your point is irrelevant. We all know that being an all-star only has weight if we're talking about current performance. Your example of 5 all-stars includes "has beens" who shouldn't even be mentioned at this point in their careers...
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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#354 » by MrBigShot » Mon Mar 8, 2021 2:41 am

ConstableChaos wrote:Brooklyns back up C is jeff green - Is 2021 Blake better than him?


Nope. Jeff Green is shooting 42% from deep (vs 31.5% for Blake) and is a superior defender. Blake is the better passer and generally a smarter player, but he literally can't move anymore.

I -hope- he has a resurgence and is able to give the nets like 10-15 quality mins a game but I think he's done as a positive contributor.
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Re: Shams/Woj: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#355 » by kan_t » Mon Mar 8, 2021 2:48 am

The Nets signed him for league minimum. They haven't even used their DPE and mini MLE. That's definition of no risk move.
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Re: Shams/Woj: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#356 » by Karate Diop » Mon Mar 8, 2021 3:01 am

He looked cooked... But as a small-ball backup C at the vets minimum there's little risk with this signing...
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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#357 » by SnoopDub » Mon Mar 8, 2021 3:41 am

Saints14 wrote:Not a good look for CP3 if Griffin and Jordan can win without him



Yeah. They dont need CP3 to win a championship.
They only need Irving, Harden and Durant to win. :lol:
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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#358 » by nzahir » Mon Mar 8, 2021 3:56 am

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nzahir wrote:Another superteam for KD, another ring that won't hold too much weight

Becoming a legend means overcoming difficulty, not playing with 3 mvps in their prime, multiple other all stars in prime, dpoy in prime, and elite bench guys

He will never have one of those all time legendary moments, such as Lebron in 2016, Hakeem in 1995, Dirk in 2011, 2003 Duncan

He has also capped himself at 1 mvp, he had/has the talent to be a top 5-10 guy, but he will never be there with 1 mvp and no legendary moments

You haven't watched Blake much the last 2 years if you think this move makes the Nets OP.

He was pretty good a couple years ago, just hasn't been healthy and has also mailed it in

See what Batum has done this year with LAC, when your team is crap and you aren't very healthy, you mail it in

Imagine Blake playing with 2 of the big 3 and Joe Harris, no help can come and still a good passer
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Re: Shams: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#359 » by nzahir » Mon Mar 8, 2021 4:00 am

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nzahir wrote:Another superteam for KD, another ring that won't hold too much weight

Becoming a legend means overcoming difficulty, not playing with 3 mvps in their prime, multiple other all stars in prime, dpoy in prime, and elite bench guys

He will never have one of those all time legendary moments, such as Lebron in 2016, Hakeem in 1995, Dirk in 2011, 2003 Duncan

He has also capped himself at 1 mvp, he had/has the talent to be a top 5-10 guy, but he will never be there with 1 mvp and no legendary moments

You mean Like LeBron carrying the Lakers to the lottery in 2018?

Then trying to get two top 7 players to to create his super team?

Just Stop, LA will not will another championship with LeBron as the leader, best hope is Giannis requests a trade to play with Davis.

I'm not sure but I think KD will win more chips then LeBron.

No I mean like Lebron coming back from 3-1 in the 2016 finals and having the greatest 3 game finals stretch in Nba History while KD CHOKED a 3-1 lead away

Never ever compare a guy with 4 fmvps, 4 mvps, and likely the all time scoring leader to Durant, a guy who will end up with 1 career mvp who has never won a ring w/o playing with another mvp winner in their prime

If you want to just talk rings with no care for context, Horry has more rings than MJ, Pippen more than Magic, etc
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Re: Shams/Woj: Blake Griffin to Brooklyn 

Post#360 » by Capn'O » Mon Mar 8, 2021 4:27 am

If he's still got some juice, so to speak, that he hasn't shown in Detroit then it will be a good move obviously. They should be looking harder at backup bigs though. They need some proper role players.
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