Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Latest] NETS Will Not Offer Irving $186M Extension

[MAQ]

Nah, you still are not, unless you show me proof that you guys predicted the pandemic and a vaccine mandate. Kyrie has not been a locker room cancer here like Celtics fans told us he would be. This situation is entirely related to a vaccine mandate and Kyrie is no doubt a dumbass for his stance, but he has been a well liked, popular figure in the Nets locker room. They're separate things.

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Prediction: A global pandemic is about to start. Millions will die. There will be an effective vaccine available within a year, but Kyrie will refuse to take it despite a mandate by the city of New York. This will put his playing time with the Nets at risk in the 2021-22 season.

Book it.

go play the lottery!

Booty

[infinite11285]

Correct me if I am wrong, but vaccine barely gives more of the immunity, so vaccinated people can carry and infect other people almost just as much as unvaccinated people. Is that correct?

No, it's not correct.

No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

[UcanUwill]

Correct me if I am wrong, but vaccine barely gives more of the immunity, so vaccinated people can carry and infect other people almost just as much as unvaccinated people. Is that correct?

No, it's not correct.

No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Correct me if I am wrong, but vaccine barely gives more of the immunity, so vaccinated people can carry and infect other people almost just as much as unvaccinated people. Is that correct?

This is incorrect

The vaccine does not give you complete immunity to carrying and infecting others, but it's a pretty significant difference, not a minimal one.

So anti vaxers are selfish pieces of crap? Ok, I tried to give them benefit of the doubt.

[durka]

Correct me if I am wrong, but vaccine barely gives more of the immunity, so vaccinated people can carry and infect other people almost just as much as unvaccinated people. Is that correct? So we cant really say unvaccinated people are selfish pricks who dont care for others, Vaccine however gives far better endurance if you get sick, people who are dying or have serious consequences are unvaccinated people, so if they still dont want to get a vaccine for some reason, its their own fault really and they are hurting themselves first and foremost.

This mindset only works if the unvaccinated people agree to not go running to waste the doctors whose advice they're rejecting when they refuse the shots time and the ICU beds stay open for the unlucky few who do get seriously sick even though they are vaccinated or the people who have something non-covid related. Everything is interconnected.

[Sedale Threatt]

So are Nets fans finally going to accept us Boston fans were right?

Nah, you still are not, unless you show me proof that you guys predicted the pandemic and a vaccine mandate. Kyrie has not been a locker room cancer here like Celtics fans told us he would be. This situation is entirely related to a vaccine mandate and Kyrie is no doubt a dumbass for his stance, but he has been a well liked, popular figure in the Nets locker room. They're separate things.

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Prediction: A global pandemic is about to start. Millions will die. There will be an effective vaccine available within a year, but Kyrie will refuse to take it despite a mandate by the city of New York. This will put his playing time with the Nets at risk in the 2021-22 season.

Book it.

If there was a Real GM Hall of Fame, this would ensure first ballot induction.

[The-Power]

Correct me if I am wrong, but vaccine barely gives more of the immunity, so vaccinated people can carry and infect other people almost just as much as unvaccinated people. Is that correct?

This is incorrect

The vaccine does not give you complete immunity to carrying and infecting others, but it's a pretty significant difference, not a minimal one.

Also, if ICU and hospital beds are scarce in your area because of unvaccinated Covid patients, that's going to impact vaccinated people as well.

[Free Rider]

Thats not against the law......

stepping on the US Flag?

yes it is.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/700

This law was struck down by the Supreme Court in 1990.

I can't believe you actually thought it was still illegal to step on a flag.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act

I honestly don't know what they're teaching kids in school these days. I thought it was pretty common knowledge that flag burning was a protected 1st Amendment right, let alone stepping on a flag. This has been pretty settled law for quite a while now.

[levon]

So are Nets fans finally going to accept us Boston fans were right?

Nah, you still are not, unless you show me proof that you guys predicted the pandemic and a vaccine mandate. Kyrie has not been a locker room cancer here like Celtics fans told us he would be. This situation is entirely related to a vaccine mandate and Kyrie is no doubt a dumbass for his stance, but he has been a well liked, popular figure in the Nets locker room. They're separate things.

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Prediction: A global pandemic is about to start. Millions will die. There will be an effective vaccine available within a year, but Kyrie will refuse to take it despite a mandate by the city of New York. This will put his playing time with the Nets at risk in the 2021-22 season.

Book it.

Reported to Biden, Covid origin investigation team.

[FrodoFraggins]

They could suspend him, though. His actions are detrimental to the team, etc. They're trying to have it both ways.

They can't suspend him because they are unwilling to let him practice and play off the bench in away games.

Sure they could. The CBA is full of clauses that say a player can be suspended for actions detrimental to the team, "to give his best services, as well as his loyalty, to the Team," etc. They don't want a war with the union over this, but they would have a case in arbitration. If he doesn't come around they could still go that route.

It would NEVER hold up. the Players Association would be all over it. There is literally no base for a suspension.

[DarkXaero]

This is a dumb partisan fight, but pretending him just taking some personal me time in the middle of last year was totally fine with everyone in the locker room is a take to be sure. Not a good one, but of course none of this is about reality but defending my favorite franchise no matter what.

Whether they were fine or not (there were no reports that they weren't), I am telling you the facts based on evidence. Guys on the Nets (outside of KD and Harden) have spoken very highly of Kyrie as a teammate. Bruce Brown, Tyler Johnson, Caris Levert (who got traded midseason), etc. all have went out of their way to praise Kyrie and their relationship with him. Even the Nets' latest draft pick, rookie Cam Thomas just said that Kyrie is the guy he has bonded with on the team the most. I'm not just saying random bs, this is backed by evidence.

Irony considering two of his teammates just made it clear they don't want him around. If he was truly so well-liked and respected they would not have made that call.

It's okay to acknowledge that sometimes guys on the teams we cheer for aren't perfect all the time. I applaud your loyalty, but I also understand your thinking here is based on that loyalty not on how his teammates honestly feel. I mean of course his teammates are going to say the right things publicly about him. Doesn't mean we should just blindly take it at face value.

Lol talk about jumping to conclusions. This is not KD and Harden's call to make, its the ownership/FO's call and KD & Harden had to be okay with it. Yet somehow you've turned it into "just made it clear they don't want him around". I am not a blind homer about the Nets and the things that transpire here. I have openly blasted the mistakes this organization has made in the past and I don't run to defend our players blindly. You will not see me defending Kyrie's decision to not take the vaccine. But sports fans have a generalization problem. Kyrie is refusing to take the vaccine so therefore he must not be liked by his teammates, right? Nah, it doesn't work like that..

[Drax]

So are Nets fans finally going to accept us Boston fans were right?

Nah, you still are not, unless you show me proof that you guys predicted the pandemic and a vaccine mandate. Kyrie has not been a locker room cancer here like Celtics fans told us he would be. This situation is entirely related to a vaccine mandate and Kyrie is no doubt a dumbass for his stance, but he has been a well liked, popular figure in the Nets locker room. They're separate things.

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Prediction: A global pandemic is about to start. Millions will die. There will be an effective vaccine available within a year, but Kyrie will refuse to take it despite a mandate by the city of New York. This will put his playing time with the Nets at risk in the 2021-22 season.

Book it.

For those thinking it was a bold prediction, not so much. Covid was allready in the news in december 2019, China had thousands of deaths allready that why its called COVID19. So predicting the spreading pandemic was not some genius thought after all. Just a well informed person, making an educated guess regarding a very predictable basketball player. Anyhow and 1'd for knowing Kyrie.

[jvsimonetti0514]

It’s a very weird day to see Celtics and Knicks fans getting along like this

[DarkXaero]

So are Nets fans finally going to accept us Boston fans were right?

Nah, you still are not, unless you show me proof that you guys predicted the pandemic and a vaccine mandate. Kyrie has not been a locker room cancer here like Celtics fans told us he would be. This situation is entirely related to a vaccine mandate and Kyrie is no doubt a dumbass for his stance, but he has been a well liked, popular figure in the Nets locker room. They're separate things.

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Prediction: A global pandemic is about to start. Millions will die. There will be an effective vaccine available within a year, but Kyrie will refuse to take it despite a mandate by the city of New York. This will put his playing time with the Nets at risk in the 2021-22 season.

Book it.

Nice edit.

[Mavrelous]

Correct me if I am wrong, but vaccine barely gives more of the immunity, so vaccinated people can carry and infect other people almost just as much as unvaccinated people. Is that correct?

No, it's not correct.

No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Hand-waiving, this is an empty statement, because even if it's true, and there's no way to check it thoroughly, it's not beneficial to the case these mandates came to solve.
The question that's more interesting is, and we have examples from real world data to show, does very high vaccination rate in society stop or create a low spread of COVID? The answer is a resounding NO and I question the intellectual honesty of those arguing yes, we have 2 highly vaccinated countries that have had their worse wave this summer, Israel and Singapore, Israel even had 33% of the population triple vaxxed, and vertually 90% of adults double vaxxed or recovered.

[Lalouie]

i wonder if there will come a point when kyrie will take a stand just cuz..........

[Lalouie]

kd is right now as we speak saying "wtf kyrie, you brought me here"

[xdrta+]

They can't suspend him because they are unwilling to let him practice and play off the bench in away games.

Sure they could. The CBA is full of clauses that say a player can be suspended for actions detrimental to the team, "to give his best services, as well as his loyalty, to the Team," etc. They don't want a war with the union over this, but they would have a case in arbitration. If he doesn't come around they could still go that route.

It would NEVER hold up. the Players Association would be all over it. There is literally no base for a suspension.

According to you. When Kyrie signed a contract he agreed, "not to do anything that is materially detrimental or materially prejudicial to the best interests of the Team or the League."
Also:
(c) For any violation of Team rules, any breach of any provision of this Contract, or for any conduct impairing the faithful and thorough discharge of the duties incumbent upon the Player, the Team may reasonably impose fines and/or suspensions on the Player in accordance with the terms of the CBA.

A case could easily be made that he has breached some of that agreement. An arbitrator would decide that. But, like most teams, the Nets are afraid of angering the union.

[Lalouie]

Correct me if I am wrong, but vaccine barely gives more of the immunity, so vaccinated people can carry and infect other people almost just as much as unvaccinated people. Is that correct?

No, it's not correct.

No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Hand-waiving, this is an empty statement, because even if it's true, and there's no way to check it thoroughly, it's not beneficial to the case these mandates came to solve.
The question that's more interesting is, and we have examples from real world data to show, does very high vaccination rate in society stop or create a low spread of COVID? The answer is a resounding NO and I question the intellectual honesty of those arguing yes, we have 2 highly vaccinated countries that have had their worse wave this summer, Israel and Singapore, Israel even had 33% of the population triple vaxxed, and vertually 90% of adults double vaxxed or recovered.

But health experts told CNBC that the latest virus wave may not be a bad thing for Singapore’s highly vaccinated population, where the vast majority of cases are mild.

“For these people, infection will not have any short-term or long-term consequence to their health, but may additionally trigger a natural immune response which reduces the chance of subsequent

maybe i was being realistic but i never thought it would go away. the flu shot doesn't stop the flu, it reduces the % by 40-60. why would a vaccine necessarilly just kill covid, i cautioned myself. what it is is,,,,IT'S MILDER when you get vaxxed and i'm f'ing 70yrs old, so please don't tell me you're 30 and unvaxed because if you are you're why a lots of us have to worry

i think you're being pretty black and white about this

[jfs1000d]

Correct me if I am wrong, but vaccine barely gives more of the immunity, so vaccinated people can carry and infect other people almost just as much as unvaccinated people. Is that correct?

No, it's not correct.

No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

I don't understand how this misinformation happens. The Vaccine is 80-95% effective against getting covid. And for those who do get a breakthrough case, almost 99% effective at stopping sever illness and death.

Just do the math.

1,000,000 un vaxed = 1,000,000 cases = 20,000 deaths (~2% death rate)

1,000,000 vaxed = 50,000 cases (95% effective) = 50 deaths (o.oo5% death rate)

That is essentially the difference between deaths of vaxed and unvaxxed. Deaths of fully vaccinated after a breakthrough case is exceedingly rare. But when you have billions of people getting vaccine, it is going to happen.

I CAN"T TAKE IT ANYMORE. Just use our advanced basketball analytic minds to do simple math.

[MagicTownBaller]

So are Nets fans finally going to accept us Boston fans were right?

Nah, you still are not, unless you show me proof that you guys predicted the pandemic and a vaccine mandate. Kyrie has not been a locker room cancer here like Celtics fans told us he would be. This situation is entirely related to a vaccine mandate and Kyrie is no doubt a dumbass for his stance, but he has been a well liked, popular figure in the Nets locker room. They're separate things.

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Prediction: A global pandemic is about to start. Millions will die. There will be an effective vaccine available within a year, but Kyrie will refuse to take it despite a mandate by the city of New York. This will put his playing time with the Nets at risk in the 2021-22 season.

Book it.

Is there a way to tell if this was an edit?

Or is that impressive?