2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.2)

[Hello Brooklyn]

1. Giannis
2. Jokic
3. Embiid

Too bad Giannis has no media-pushed narrative for like 2 seasons now.

But I'd be totally fine with any of these 3 players winning it. Fantastic, all-time seasons by all.

Giannis has more talent and is a 5 seed. He doesn't deserve it over Embiid.

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[jokeboy86]

1. Giannis
2. Jokic
3. Embiid

Too bad Giannis has no media-pushed narrative for like 2 seasons now.

But I'd be totally fine with any of these 3 players winning it. Fantastic, all-time seasons by all.

Giannis has more talent and is a 5 seed. He doesn't deserve it over Embiid.

Jokic should win it but he probably wont get a high enough seed. Media is going to penalize Embiid now because although the Bucks may be deeper than the 76ers no one(in the media) puts Middleton/Holiday on the level of Harden. Giannis not playing with a "star" or "superstar" will always keep him in the running of MVP automatically in the media's eyes.

[Cubbies2120]

Embiid -34 tonight in 26 minutes, I looked through the other top 2 MVP candidates careers and they haven't ever had a +- that bad...

Could have been avoided if the Sixers took him out when down 30+ in the 3rd quarter

Wonder where it'll put him on the MVP ladder this week on NBA.com, think Giannis overtakes him at the #2 spot

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-feb-11-edition

We shall see in a couple days...

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Giannis moving up. Thursday maybe a big game.

[ch434355]

Embiid -34 tonight in 26 minutes, I looked through the other top 2 MVP candidates careers and they haven't ever had a +- that bad...

Could have been avoided if the Sixers took him out when down 30+ in the 3rd quarter

Wonder where it'll put him on the MVP ladder this week on NBA.com, think Giannis overtakes him at the #2 spot

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-feb-11-edition

We shall see in a couple days...

Your amount of hate is unhealthy.

Also I'm pretty sure one bad loss in February isn't going to significantly hurt his chances.

[Cubbies2120]

Embiid -34 tonight in 26 minutes, I looked through the other top 2 MVP candidates careers and they haven't ever had a +- that bad...

Could have been avoided if the Sixers took him out when down 30+ in the 3rd quarter

Wonder where it'll put him on the MVP ladder this week on NBA.com, think Giannis overtakes him at the #2 spot

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-feb-11-edition

We shall see in a couple days...

Your amount of hate is unhealthy.

Also I'm pretty sure one bad loss in February isn't going to significantly hurt his chances.

Just here to balance out the unhealthy obsession from the other end

I guess me posting stats I pulled in 1 minute of basketball reference searching = unhealthy hate tho

[brettski]

1. Giannis
2. Jokic
3. Embiid

Too bad Giannis has no media-pushed narrative for like 2 seasons now.

But I'd be totally fine with any of these 3 players winning it. Fantastic, all-time seasons by all.

Giannis has more talent and is a 5 seed. He doesn't deserve it over Embiid.

Milwaukee lost to Portland without Giannis by 15 yesterday.

[Infinite Llamas]

1. Giannis
2. Jokic
3. Embiid

Too bad Giannis has no media-pushed narrative for like 2 seasons now.

But I'd be totally fine with any of these 3 players winning it. Fantastic, all-time seasons by all.

Giannis has more talent and is a 5 seed. He doesn't deserve it over Embiid.

Milwaukee lost to Portland without Giannis by 15 yesterday.

Well they didn’t have Khris or Giannis two months ago and the Bucks beat a better Indiana team by a bigger margin than they did tonight…They have also beaten depleted Miami and Dallas teams without him so their track record isn’t all bad.

[GeorgeSears]

When's the last time an MVP contender's team lost by 50 while he was playing? Asking for a friend.

[brettski]

Demar Derozan with his 6 consecutive super efficient 35+ Point game leading to a win with a 40 piece, 16/24 FG 8/8 FT and 7 assists.

Derozan should be in the conversation of a top 3 MVP candidate.

MVP isn't awarded for 6 good games.

Thanks for telling me you haven't been watching the Bulls/Derozan...or just looking at stats for that matter

Dude argues he deserves to be a top 3 candidate by quoting a 6 game streak.. Not sure what part of my reply was wrong.. but ok then.

[brettski]

Momentum seems to have really moved towards Embiid.

If the Sixers are a top 3 seed I think he basically gets it.

Nuggets'Bucks are not good enough and media likes giving it to someone new.

You really tossed a Moxxy on Embiid with that lol.

[brettski]

Giannis has more talent and is a 5 seed. He doesn't deserve it over Embiid.

Milwaukee lost to Portland without Giannis by 15 yesterday.

Well they didn’t have Khris or Giannis two months ago and the Bucks beat a better Indiana team by a bigger margin than they did tonight…They have also beaten depleted Miami and Dallas teams without him so their track record isn’t all bad.

That's fair, I also think its night and day between if he plays and doesn't. I also think Middleton has been ass and doesn't deserve to be an all star this year.

Mainly though the 5 seed thing annoys me in his quote. I mean the difference between a first and fifth in the east is 2.5 games right now.. saying you can't win it if you're 5th in the East is crazy right now if things stay this close.

[Infinite Llamas]

Milwaukee lost to Portland without Giannis by 15 yesterday.

Well they didn’t have Khris or Giannis two months ago and the Bucks beat a better Indiana team by a bigger margin than they did tonight…They have also beaten depleted Miami and Dallas teams without him so their track record isn’t all bad.

That's fair, I also think its night and day between if he plays and doesn't. I also think Middleton has been ass and doesn't deserve to be an all star this year.

Mainly though the 5 seed thing annoys me in his quote. I mean the difference between a first and fifth in the east is 2.5 games right now.. saying you can't win it if you're 5th in the East is crazy right now if things stay this close.

I view Jokic/Giannis/Embiid in the same group. Forget seeding. Look at team record. Maybe h2h if you’d like. Plain and simple.

And if the voters really want to reward top record, they give it to Paul or Curry.

Those are pretty much the two paths at this point.

[brettski]

Well they didn’t have Khris or Giannis two months ago and the Bucks beat a better Indiana team by a bigger margin than they did tonight…They have also beaten depleted Miami and Dallas teams without him so their track record isn’t all bad.

That's fair, I also think its night and day between if he plays and doesn't. I also think Middleton has been ass and doesn't deserve to be an all star this year.

Mainly though the 5 seed thing annoys me in his quote. I mean the difference between a first and fifth in the east is 2.5 games right now.. saying you can't win it if you're 5th in the East is crazy right now if things stay this close.

I view Jokic/Giannis/Embiid in the same group. Forget seeding. Look at team record. Maybe h2h if you’d like. Plain and simple.

And if the voters really want to reward top record, they give it to Paul or Curry.

Those are pretty much the two paths at this point.

I agree although I think if you ignore record then Jokic is at least a forehead above the other two this season. In the east I think Miami is a buy committee outcome plus a coach of the year candidate. Chicago DD has been great but Lavine has also been excellent, similarly with Boston you have two stars, Cleveland have probably 3 outstanding players. That leaves Milwaukee and Philly hence Embiid and Giannis being considered.

In the west its probably Ja, Luka and Jokic based on lack of second star, team record or Jokic just being amazing this year so you have to include him.

[andyhop]

Unless things change then Jokic should win it easily, anybody else would be embarrassing

[Ballerhogger]

Embiid had bad night it happens. No changes.

[Ballerhogger]

Warriors vs Nuggets tomorrow if Jokic wants chance sway votes a big night here and W does help

[LikeABosh]

MVP isn't awarded for 6 good games.

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Are we really going to rely on a stat that has Patty Mills as equally valuable to Embiid? A stat that has Wesley Person at the most valuable player in the league in three seasons?

And Malik Monk better than Giannis. It's just weighted field goals, free throws, and turnovers in clutch minutes. Who posts this ****

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Are we really going to rely on a stat that has Patty Mills as equally valuable to Embiid? A stat that has Wesley Person at the most valuable player in the league in three seasons?

And Malik Monk better than Giannis. It's just weighted field goals, free throws, and turnovers in clutch minutes. Who posts this ****

For some reason many in this thread want to reward theoretical winning instead of actually winning.