James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphiia; Won’t Formally Demand Trade Due To Public Backlash

[Raptors Realtor]

wow James Harden just leaving like that. this is crazy.. Harden must really think KD's ship has sunk.

Probably just tired of Kyrie and his antics.

What is that a random stick?

I think it's a branch he came across in the parking lot that he was using as a walking stick to indicate his lower back issue which was causing him to miss practice/game.

[GregOden]

This is all gonna be really funny when the Harden/Embiid combo doesn't come close to sniffing a title.

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Thing is Harden doesnt come off to me as someone who cares about winning titles, I think he just wants to live a comfortable life and be within driving distance of the strip clubs.

[LAL1947]

Probably just tired of Kyrie and his antics.

What is that a random stick?

That's not a stick. That is Myra, Kyrie's magic wand and traveling companion. Every good, modern philosopher and medicine-man should have one while exploring the mean streets of the big city, searching for injustices against minorities and collecting herbs to brew potions. She also comes in handy against zombies.

[Slacktard]

wow James Harden just leaving like that. this is crazy.. Harden must really think KD's ship has sunk.

Probably just tired of Kyrie and his antics.

What is that a random stick?

It musta been snake whacking day.

[Bornstellar]

wow James Harden just leaving like that. this is crazy.. Harden must really think KD's ship has sunk.

Probably just tired of Kyrie and his antics.

What is that a random stick?

He thinks he is a Native American Shaman. No, seriously

[Roy The Natural]

Well it could be done now so should expand to teams with expiring of which they are many. As for teams projected to have cap space next, I mean there are plenty. Are your blazers no longer interested in Simmons if all they are sending back is picks? OKC? Pop speaks glowing of Simmons.

Blazers can't really send out future picks, they still have that Bulls pick with protection for eternity. If they get 2 lotto picks I think they'd be willing to move the lower one for Simmons straight up. Though you may be required to again move that out to offload Harris. Like I said, it can be done, but the array of teams that can help is small, and many of them aren't in a stage where offloading picks for Simmons make sense. It leaves the 76ers in a severely disadvantageous position when it comes to a trade.

To be honest, I'm not really interested in engaging in a leverage debate with you especially when it doesn't seem like you're willing to do so objectively by also considering the pressure on the other team. Like just use Portland as an example. I'm assuming Dame signed off on dismantling the team and tanking for the rest of the year but it seems likely that part of that was the promise for a quick rebuild. Otherwise, why hang onto Dame at all? So unless Beal or Harden is on board to sign with Portland (and we've been told repeatedly by Portland fans that it is not a free agent destination), what's the plan for keeping Dame happy?

I don't know what the plan is. I don't think there's much pressure anymore though. The fanbase at this point is basically ready to move him if need be to rebuild. It's hard to get a bidding war for a guy that hasn't played in a year, and absolutely MUST BE moved. I don't think you'll get nothing for Simmons in such a scenario. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see teams just wait it out and watch the 76ers squirm.

The 76ers have a small window in which they must make all these moves, the other teams do not. The value will depress even further for Simmons and I think that's hard to argue against. What's the difference for OKC if what they need to get Simmons is future 1sts. They, along with the other teams can just sit in that free agency window and wait. Those future 1sts will still be there 1 month later. Will Harden? The asking price for Philly will need to come down most likely,

Like I said, it's convoluted, and is putting A LOT of onus and power on other teams to give you fair value in a situation that is even less favorable than things were this last offseason. Assuming, the trade doesn't happen and Simmons doesn't report.

[Capn'O]

It's a nice stick.

[zimpy27]

Harden+Carter+Millsap for Simmons+Green+Springer

[ProcessDoctor]

It really feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face for PHI. Make a bunch of convoluted deals where you'd have to trade Simmons anyways just to make space to sign a guy you could have traded for in a cheaper deal? And you lose Harris?

(*this is not directed at Bully. He was just clarifying that it COULD be done)

How so? In this situation, you'd be getting:

-Harden (signed outright for no assets/picks)
-Future assets/small contract (Simmons trade)
-Out of Tobias's contract (may or may not require sending a pick out)

Maxey/Milton/Springer
Harden/Korkmaz/Joe
Thybulle/FRP
?/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Vet min/Bassey

A nearly full roster with extra assets moving forward.

Why would you want to dump Harris? Yeah, he’s overpaid but he’s still good. It puts you in the tax but that’s the price of a contender. In the “spiteful” situation you lose a good player (Harris) for nothing and have no real way to replace him.

Did you see the forwards Golden State just added with minimum contracts? Philly wouldn't need a 20 PPG score at the 4 with Maxey/Harden/Embiid. Philly would just need someone who could defend, shoot, and rebound. Tobias just isn't worth the squeeze after acquiring someone like Harden, especially when talking about repeater tax penalties, etc.

[Slacktard]

Blazers can't really send out future picks, they still have that Bulls pick with protection for eternity. If they get 2 lotto picks I think they'd be willing to move the lower one for Simmons straight up. Though you may be required to again move that out to offload Harris. Like I said, it can be done, but the array of teams that can help is small, and many of them aren't in a stage where offloading picks for Simmons make sense. It leaves the 76ers in a severely disadvantageous position when it comes to a trade.

To be honest, I'm not really interested in engaging in a leverage debate with you especially when it doesn't seem like you're willing to do so objectively by also considering the pressure on the other team. Like just use Portland as an example. I'm assuming Dame signed off on dismantling the team and tanking for the rest of the year but it seems likely that part of that was the promise for a quick rebuild. Otherwise, why hang onto Dame at all? So unless Beal or Harden is on board to sign with Portland (and we've been told repeatedly by Portland fans that it is not a free agent destination), what's the plan for keeping Dame happy?

I don't know what the plan is. I don't think there's much pressure anymore though. The fanbase at this point is basically ready to move him if need be to rebuild. It's hard to get a bidding war for a guy that hasn't played in a year, and absolutely MUST BE moved. I don't think you'll get nothing for Simmons in such a scenario. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see teams just wait it out and watch the 76ers squirm.

The 76ers have a small window in which they must make all these moves, the other teams do not. The value will depress even further for Simmons and I think that's hard to argue against. What's the difference for OKC if what they need to get Simmons is future 1sts. They, along with the other teams can just sit in that free agency window and wait. Those future 1sts will still be there 1 month later. Will Harden?

Like I said, it's convoluted, and is putting A LOT of onus and power on other teams to give you fair value in a situation that is even less favorable than things were this last offseason. Assuming, the trade doesn't happen and Simmons doesn't report.

That's somewhat true, but it also doesn't address that the ability of that team to get Simmons for cap space/future firsts(maybe a cheap player attached) because the Sixers would be doing such a move as part of making room for Harden. Should they be unable to do that, should Harden re-sign with the Nets or agree to a S&T from the Nets to another team that would then remove the Sixers interest from simply moving Simmons for picks and a cheap salary. Which then means those few teams that could have been part of that Simmons negotiations and get him a discounted trade value because of the Sixers needing cap room would find themselves in competition with teams trading a player(or players) or equal salary to the Sixers for Simmons as they no longer needed the cap room for Harden.

There's more than one side to every negotiation.

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[MrGoat]

wow James Harden just leaving like that. this is crazy.. Harden must really think KD's ship has sunk.

Probably just tired of Kyrie and his antics.

What is that a random stick?

He uses the stick to check the path in front of him in case he runs into the edge of the planet

[Mak]

How good would Sixers/Nets playoff series be if the trade happens. I dont know if the Nets can beat the Sixers unless Durant is just amazing, and thats possible too. I would not expect too much from Ben on the road in this potential series. And then Ben is unvaccinated or not?

[liquidswords]

Harden and Harris for Simmons, Green, Curry and maybe a pick. Call it a day.

[globalki]

Simmons, Thybulle + Shake Milton and call it a day. Nets gonna lose Harden for nothing, so giddy-up.

If I'm Brooklyn, I obv want Simmons, Curry, Drummond, but would settle for Simmons, Thybulle, Drummond.

If I am BKN, I want Simmons, Curry, Danny Green and a first round pick down the line for Harden, Paul Millsap and James Johnson. The money is almost equal.

[DarkXaero]

Do Sixers fans even trust their own reporters (Pompey, Dumas)?

[Lou_23]

Do Sixers fans even trust their own reporters (Pompey, Dumas)?

No

[SaveTheHens]

I would think BKN wants a bit more TBH. they literally gave up Levert/Allen and an entire boatload of picks. It's crazy how CLE picked up both Allen and Levert. CLE looks like a genius franchise and again BKN looking puzzled.

Can't fall into the sunk cost fallacy though.

Gotta do what they can do for KD (and I guess that *** that came with him). If Harden says he's gone no matter what in the offseason then honestly Simmons straight up looks good.

76ers have the incentive to do this now to not waste Embiid's season but also I'm guessing they can talk to their owner if they get Harden now and win a ring about paying the luxury tax for one season to give it another go with a Harden/Harris/Embiid combo.

I agree, but wouldnt it be in BKN best interest to keep Harden and let their big 3 try to win it all this season atleast?

If Kyrie played in all the games then I'd say it could be worth it, heck if they traded Kyrie for Simmons & Kyrie could play in home games there that'd prob work better for both teams if Brooklyn wanted to 'go for it' this year. But with just Durant and Harden and a bit of Kyrie, I think the team would lack the consistency necessary to become a championship team.

[Roy The Natural]

To be honest, I'm not really interested in engaging in a leverage debate with you especially when it doesn't seem like you're willing to do so objectively by also considering the pressure on the other team. Like just use Portland as an example. I'm assuming Dame signed off on dismantling the team and tanking for the rest of the year but it seems likely that part of that was the promise for a quick rebuild. Otherwise, why hang onto Dame at all? So unless Beal or Harden is on board to sign with Portland (and we've been told repeatedly by Portland fans that it is not a free agent destination), what's the plan for keeping Dame happy?

I don't know what the plan is. I don't think there's much pressure anymore though. The fanbase at this point is basically ready to move him if need be to rebuild. It's hard to get a bidding war for a guy that hasn't played in a year, and absolutely MUST BE moved. I don't think you'll get nothing for Simmons in such a scenario. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see teams just wait it out and watch the 76ers squirm.

The 76ers have a small window in which they must make all these moves, the other teams do not. The value will depress even further for Simmons and I think that's hard to argue against. What's the difference for OKC if what they need to get Simmons is future 1sts. They, along with the other teams can just sit in that free agency window and wait. Those future 1sts will still be there 1 month later. Will Harden?

Like I said, it's convoluted, and is putting A LOT of onus and power on other teams to give you fair value in a situation that is even less favorable than things were this last offseason. Assuming, the trade doesn't happen and Simmons doesn't report.

That's somewhat true, but it also doesn't address that the ability of that team to get Simmons for cap space/future firsts(maybe a cheap player attached) because the Sixers would be doing such a move as part of making room for Harden. Should they be unable to do that, should Harden re-sign with the Nets or agree to a S&T from the Nets to another team that would then remove the Sixers interest from simply moving Simmons for picks and a cheap salary. Which then means those few teams that could have been part of that Simmons negotiations and get him a discounted trade value because of the Sixers needing cap room would find themselves in competition with teams trading a player(or players) or equal salary to the Sixers for Simmons as they no longer needed the cap room for Harden.

There's more than one side to every negotiation.

Oh I agree, I'm not arguing the idea that Simmons will get nothing in return. Just that his value is likely even further depressed due to a compressed timeline with which to move him and a limited number of teams who meet the criteria as a trade partner.

I'm 100% on board with Philly fans that clearing the room necessary is possible. I just think that your staring down the barrel when trying to move $70M+ in annual salary with getting almost no salary in return. It's a tough and convoluted task. You're depressing the value of salaried assets in the move, and amplifying negative value in such scenarios. Moving a bad contract becomes more expensive, and sending out a good/neutral contract becomes less lucrative.

[r0drig0lac]

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