This is OBVIOUSLY Steph's era- not Lebron's.

[JordansBulls]

They are facts that don't really mean anything since they aren't balanced.

Here's an example of your facts about Jordan:
- never won a playoff series without Pippen. Pippen won them without Jordan.
- never won a playoff series without Phil Jackson. Phil won them without Jordan.
- Jordan was shot 30% from 3 when you take out seasons that the 3 line was moved in a couple feet.
- Jordan went to the playoffs as many times as Bill Russell but has about half the championships
- Jordan"s missed 26 game winning shots

It's not telling the full story of the player is it?

That both the Cavs and the Bulls are Cinderella franchises without LeBron and Jordan respectively, and that while LeBron led the Cavs to 1 title Jordan led the Bulls to 6 is fairly factual as far as so can see. Sure other factors are involved, but the fact remains that 6 titles were won by teams built around Jordan, something which has happened with very few other players in history and none which are not favoured FA destinations.

Golden State is a Cinderalla franchise as well. There are a lot of variables that are outside a player's control regarding how teams are built to win. Is it fair to say that James was in the worst situation being drafted by the Cavs? Even still, James ultimately went back to Cleveland and won one a championship for them. In fact, he's won a title for every franchise he's played for. Shouldn't that be as impressive as winning all of one's titles for the same team they were drafted by? For me, it's an apples-to-oranges comparison.

Winning for the franchise that drafted you that never won is impressive not switching teams and winning for franchises that already won and have league and finals mvp winners already.

[infinite11285]

That both the Cavs and the Bulls are Cinderella franchises without LeBron and Jordan respectively, and that while LeBron led the Cavs to 1 title Jordan led the Bulls to 6 is fairly factual as far as so can see. Sure other factors are involved, but the fact remains that 6 titles were won by teams built around Jordan, something which has happened with very few other players in history and none which are not favoured FA destinations.

Golden State is a Cinderalla franchise as well. There are a lot of variables that are outside a player's control regarding how teams are built to win. Is it fair to say that James was in the worst situation being drafted by the Cavs? Even still, James ultimately went back to Cleveland and won one a championship for them. In fact, he's won a title for every franchise he's played for. Shouldn't that be as impressive as winning all of one's titles for the same team they were drafted by? For me, it's an apples-to-oranges comparison.

Winning for the franchise that drafted you that never won is impressive not switching teams and winning for franchises that already won and have league and finals mvp winners already.

James won a title for the cinderella franchise that drafted him. You know that the Cavs hadn't won a title before James returned. That's a fact.

Westbrook was far below his MVP prowess in LA, so I don't understand why you keep trying to fit that square through a round hole. He was 4+ years removed from his MVP achievement. He was literally cut recently. He hasn't been an MVP-type guy for quite some time.

[JordansBulls]

Golden State is a Cinderalla franchise as well. There are a lot of variables that are outside a player's control regarding how teams are built to win. Is it fair to say that James was in the worst situation being drafted by the Cavs? Even still, James ultimately went back to Cleveland and won one a championship for them. In fact, he's won a title for every franchise he's played for. Shouldn't that be as impressive as winning all of one's titles for the same team they were drafted by? For me, it's an apples-to-oranges comparison.

Winning for the franchise that drafted you that never won is impressive not switching teams and winning for franchises that already won and have league and finals mvp winners already.

James won a title for the cinderella franchise that drafted him. You know that the Cavs hadn't won a title before James returned. That's a fact.

Westbrook was far below his MVP prowess in LA, so I don't understand why you keep trying to fit that square through a round hole. He was 4+ years removed from his MVP achievement. He was literally cut recently. He hasn't been an MVP-type guy for quite some time.

Bulls never won anything before nor after MJ and won 6 which was a dynasty. Like Tom Brady winning for Patriots vs Payton Manning for Colts.

[infinite11285]

Winning for the franchise that drafted you that never won is impressive not switching teams and winning for franchises that already won and have league and finals mvp winners already.

James won a title for the cinderella franchise that drafted him. You know that the Cavs hadn't won a title before James returned. That's a fact.

Westbrook was far below his MVP prowess in LA, so I don't understand why you keep trying to fit that square through a round hole. He was 4+ years removed from his MVP achievement. He was literally cut recently. He hasn't been an MVP-type guy for quite some time.

Bulls never won anything before nor after MJ and won 6 which was a dynasty. Like Tom Brady winning for Patriots vs Payton Manning for Colts.

The Cavaliers didn't win a title before James and have yet to do so since (albeit not establishing a dynasty, but that's not the point). We were discussing the impressiveness of one player winning a title for the team that drafted him that never won a championship prior; James and Curry both did that.

[JordansBulls]

James won a title for the cinderella franchise that drafted him. You know that the Cavs hadn't won a title before James returned. That's a fact.

Westbrook was far below his MVP prowess in LA, so I don't understand why you keep trying to fit that square through a round hole. He was 4+ years removed from his MVP achievement. He was literally cut recently. He hasn't been an MVP-type guy for quite some time.

Bulls never won anything before nor after MJ and won 6 which was a dynasty. Like Tom Brady winning for Patriots vs Payton Manning for Colts.

The Cavaliers didn't win a title before James and have yet to do so since (albeit not establishing a dynasty, but that's not the point). We were discussing the impressiveness of one player winning a title for the team that drafted him that never won a championship prior; James and Curry both did that.

I get that, but there is a difference between winning multiple titles for a franchise that never won and winning a title after leaving them and joining stars.

[formula 400]

I always say couple more titles and Curry is the Russell to
Lebrons Wilt. It is called the 3ball era and Curry is the face of it.

no. its called the cupcake era and Curry is the face of it

[Onus]

Nobody takes those Durant titles seriously, do they?

People (myself included) dislike the idea that he joined the Warriors in the first place, but there's no denying that he was a major factor on the court that sealed the deal for the 2017 and 2018 win. Especially 2018. He pretty much took over those later games. If he played like that anywhere else and won it all, it would get more recognition. But it is what it is.

I would hope he was a major factor on the court. He was an MVP level player in his prime. He was the major part of the deck being stacked to a ridiculous levels...but are there people who take stacked deck wins seriously? Maybe there are.

People tend to take Lebrons titles seriously…

[infinite11285]

Bulls never won anything before nor after MJ and won 6 which was a dynasty. Like Tom Brady winning for Patriots vs Payton Manning for Colts.

The Cavaliers didn't win a title before James and have yet to do so since (albeit not establishing a dynasty, but that's not the point). We were discussing the impressiveness of one player winning a title for the team that drafted him that never won a championship prior; James and Curry both did that.

I get that, but there is a difference between winning multiple titles for a franchise that never won and winning a title after leaving them and joining stars.

What's the difference? Isn't winning the bottom line? Weighing one championship against another is an exercise of subjectivity.

I also noticed you criticized LeBron for joining "prime MVP Russ" while ignoring the fact two of Curry's rings were won with former MVP Kevin Durant being the best player on that team during those Finals. Why is that? Shouldn't two of Curry's championships be scrutinized in a similar regard?

[Goomba3666]

4 rings with the SAME franchise in 7 years.

Won rings with different sets of roles players whom he all made look better. Basically everyone 'fit in'.

Wiggins, who Lebron had traded away to get Kevin Love, FLOURISHED alongside a guy that beat Lebron 3x in the finals in Curry.

Literally gas made EVERY TEAMMATE better by merely just his presence on the floor. From superstars like KD, to players like McGee/Nick Young/Draymond/Zaza Pachulia, to players to Poole & Gary Payton Jr. Unlike Bron, he really makes teammates better and fundamental pieces to the team regardless of the level they're at.

And most of all - NO EXCUSES. This team had major injuries earlier in the season and mid season, but weathered the storm. Him, nor his teammates, aren't in ENDLESS trade rumors during those losing slumps unlike every team Lebron is on. Truly fosters a positive work environment.

The Steph Era. Happy to be a part of it.

Silly plebs. How dare you challenge the eminence of the King.

You know full well that you live in LeBron's world.

Going back through this thread I saw this. Lol.

Remember the good ole days when LeBron stans would say, 'the All-Star game is just an exhibition.'

West kept winning because the East was trash cakes.

They fixed the format, Lebron was able to pick his teammates, they get a few wins, and now it's an accomplishment.

Bron stans are different. Lol

[SpreeS]

4 rings with the SAME franchise in 7 years.

Won rings with different sets of roles players whom he all made look better. Basically everyone 'fit in'.

Wiggins, who Lebron had traded away to get Kevin Love, FLOURISHED alongside a guy that beat Lebron 3x in the finals in Curry.

Literally gas made EVERY TEAMMATE better by merely just his presence on the floor. From superstars like KD, to players like McGee/Nick Young/Draymond/Zaza Pachulia, to players to Poole & Gary Payton Jr. Unlike Bron, he really makes teammates better and fundamental pieces to the team regardless of the level they're at.

And most of all - NO EXCUSES. This team had major injuries earlier in the season and mid season, but weathered the storm. Him, nor his teammates, aren't in ENDLESS trade rumors during those losing slumps unlike every team Lebron is on. Truly fosters a positive work environment.

The Steph Era. Happy to be a part of it.

Silly plebs. How dare you challenge the eminence of the King.

You know full well that you live in LeBron's world.

Going back through this thread I saw this. Lol.

Remember the good ole days when LeBron stans would say, 'the All-Star game is just an exhibition.'

West kept winning because the East was trash cakes.

They fixed the format, Lebron was able to pick his teammates, they get a few wins, and now it's an accomplishment.

Bron stans are different. Lol

Lebron is perfect at constructing all star teams. He is doing it whole career.

[Warriorfan]

The Cavaliers didn't win a title before James and have yet to do so since (albeit not establishing a dynasty, but that's not the point). We were discussing the impressiveness of one player winning a title for the team that drafted him that never won a championship prior; James and Curry both did that.

I get that, but there is a difference between winning multiple titles for a franchise that never won and winning a title after leaving them and joining stars.

What's the difference? Isn't winning the bottom line? Weighing one championship against another is an exercise of subjectivity.

I also noticed you criticized LeBron for joining "prime MVP Russ" while ignoring the fact two of Curry's rings were won with former MVP Kevin Durant being the best player on that team during those Finals. Why is that? Shouldn't two of Curry's championships be scrutinized in a similar regard?

Isn't BKN evidence KD still can't win a championship without Curry. Plus Curry won again without KD and diminished Thompson/Green

[MrBigShot]

Idk why people bother comparing Steph and LeBron. Peak LeBron is a superior scorer, rebounder, defender, playmaker...only thing Steph is better at, peak to peak, is shooting. Steph is a guy in the top ~10-15 all time conversation, LeBron is in the top 2 conversation.

[Onus]

Lebron is like keyser soze. He some how tricked everyone. He literally stacked the deck to win and yet still ended up losing more often than winning and it’s somehow seen as an accomplishment. It’s pretty damn incredible. And people in the same breath want to dismiss kds championships. It’s like we live in a bizzaro world.

[michaelm]

I always say couple more titles and Curry is the Russell to
Lebrons Wilt. It is called the 3ball era and Curry is the face of it.

no. its called the cupcake era and Curry is the face of it

LeBron got out-stacked.

[Lalouie]

there are many things steph does better but lebron simply has a bigger presense

[Lalouie]

I always say couple more titles and Curry is the Russell to
Lebrons Wilt. It is called the 3ball era and Curry is the face of it.

no. its called the cupcake era and Curry is the face of it

that's why 6'8/255 lebron is doing so well,,,,,,,in this cupcake era

[formula 400]

I always say couple more titles and Curry is the Russell to
Lebrons Wilt. It is called the 3ball era and Curry is the face of it.

no. its called the cupcake era and Curry is the face of it

that's why 6'8/255 lebron is doing so well,,,,,,,in this cupcake era

yeah thats right. thats why it was possible for him to break the scoring record

[KyRo23]

Lebron is like keyser soze. He some how tricked everyone. He literally stacked the deck to win and yet still ended up losing more often than winning and it’s somehow seen as an accomplishment. It’s pretty damn incredible. And people in the same breath want to dismiss kds championships. It’s like we live in a bizzaro world.

Keyser Soze wins in the end

Anyways, on topic. The dude with 1 FMVP doesn't own an era.

[One Last Shot]

Steph's team will be 0-2 against a healthy LeBron team in a Playoffs Series while 3-0 when the Warriors got the overwhelming advantage against them like injuries to 2 of their top 3 players and recruiting KD in their 73-win core

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[Woodsanity]

Steph Curry is one of the least clutch superstars in the playoffs.