2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

[OkcSinceSGA]

Luka is Swiss cheese on defense. He needs to play both ends before I’d consider him an MVP.

this year its solid. no Giannis but not bad

[mediocrityrules]

Giannis is on another planet defensively as Luka while also having the same impact offensively. Giannis gets his 3rd MVP this season.

Not the same impact offensively. Luka's offense works in the playoffs, Giannis is much easier to slow down in that setting. Luka is also a WAY better playmaker and closer. Giannis is the superior two way, and defender though.

Giannis was 31.7/14.2/6.8 in last year's playoffs across 12 games. Not sure how that says 'easier to slow down'?

[MickeyDavis]

Luka is Swiss cheese on defense. He needs to play both ends before I’d consider him an MVP.

this year its solid. no Giannis but not bad

Don’t get me wrong, I love Luka. Fun player to watch.

[Packbuckman]

Giannis is on another planet defensively as Luka while also having the same impact offensively. Giannis gets his 3rd MVP this season.

Not the same impact offensively. Luka's offense works in the playoffs, Giannis is much easier to slow down in that setting. Luka is also a WAY better playmaker and closer. Giannis is the superior two way, and defender though.

You could slow Giannis down a few years ago not last year and sure as hell not now only reason we lost last year was Lopez missed almost the whole year and Middleton missed the Celtics series. Bucks 8-0 without Middleton Pat And ingles

[OkcSinceSGA]

Giannis is on another planet defensively as Luka while also having the same impact offensively. Giannis gets his 3rd MVP this season.

Not the same impact offensively. Luka's offense works in the playoffs, Giannis is much easier to slow down in that setting. Luka is also a WAY better playmaker and closer. Giannis is the superior two way, and defender though.

Giannis was 31.7/14.2/6.8 in last year's playoffs across 12 games. Not sure how that says 'easier to slow down'?

Luka's CAREER playoff average in 3 seasons as a 4 year younger player is 32 ppg on 58% TS. He's closer to unguardable than Giannis. We've seen that time and time again. Guys like Horford randomly lock Giannis. A couple of other guys have done it too. I have yet to see an NBA player you can put on Luka for a series, including Kawhi that can lock him up. There is no defensive scheme for Luka outside of just double-teaming him at halfcourt. For Giannis, teams have had success simply packing the paint because all he does is drive basically and jump into people. Luka is also a significantly better closer late in games when you need a bucket and a better playmaker.

Again, Giannis is insane and has a great argument for MVP. I think it's biased to claim he's an offensive equal though. If I had to bet on which guy can be shut down easier in the playoffs, it's Giannis 10/10 times.

[Vampirate]

Read on Twitter

This is going to be a fun contest for MVP.

Luka is improving. He's finally starting to see what real fitness can do for you.

What's crazy is he does all these crazy dribbles, only to have to settle for a tough turn around fadaway jumper and still nails it.

[WRau1]

Not the same impact offensively. Luka's offense works in the playoffs, Giannis is much easier to slow down in that setting. Luka is also a WAY better playmaker and closer. Giannis is the superior two way, and defender though.

Giannis was 31.7/14.2/6.8 in last year's playoffs across 12 games. Not sure how that says 'easier to slow down'?

Luka's CAREER playoff average in 3 seasons as a 4 year younger player is 32 ppg on 58% TS. He's closer to unguardable than Giannis. We've seen that time and time again. Guys like Horford randomly lock Giannis. A couple of other guys have done it too. I have yet to see an NBA player you can put on Luka for a series, including Kawhi that can lock him up. There is no defensive scheme for Luka outside of just double-teaming him at halfcourt. For Giannis, teams have had success simply packing the paint because all he does is drive basically and jump into people. Luka is also a significantly better closer late in games when you need a bucket and a better playmaker.

Again, Giannis is insane and has a great argument for MVP. I think it's biased to claim he's an offensive equal though. If I had to bet on which guy can be shut down easier in the playoffs, it's Giannis 10/10 times.

Everything you're trying to argue is completely irrelevant in MVP discussion.

[CobraCommander]

Giannis is on another planet defensively as Luka while also having the same impact offensively. Giannis gets his 3rd MVP this season.

Giannis is winning and playing as nearly as good on offense and is worlds ahead defensively. I agree right now it’s Giannis’s to lose if it’s just about play and I don’t think anyone thinks Luka is as good as a overall player as Giannis but if it’s close I think it Lukas turn to win mvp.

From a pure offensive point of view Luka's combination of efficient scoring and play making puts him above Giannis offensively, though Giannis is still the best 2 way player in the game and it's not close.

Giannis just dropped a triple double tonight while not leading his team in scoring or shot attempts - all while remaining undefeated without his second best player.

Giannis is playing on a plane that is approaching (but not as good as) prime Lebron.

Luka could win the MVP and still be somewhere between 3 and 10 best all around player in league -

with Giannis and Jokic being the best two players on earth - unquestioned in my mind.

[skones]

I always think it's hilarious when people mention the wall like it's 2019 while also completely ignoring that teams are sending THREE guys at him in order to even execute.

Wake me up when Luka has 50 in a clinching game for a ring, otherwise, any argument for Luka's playoff performance over Giannis is nil.

Now back to discussing the MVP award which is a REGULAR SEASON AWARD.

[Oscar9992]

Only thing Giannis has over Luka is a team record. He is 8-0. If season ends right now he would have won MVP easily.

[CobraCommander]

Giannis was 31.7/14.2/6.8 in last year's playoffs across 12 games. Not sure how that says 'easier to slow down'?

Luka's CAREER playoff average in 3 seasons as a 4 year younger player is 32 ppg on 58% TS. He's closer to unguardable than Giannis. We've seen that time and time again. Guys like Horford randomly lock Giannis. A couple of other guys have done it too. I have yet to see an NBA player you can put on Luka for a series, including Kawhi that can lock him up. There is no defensive scheme for Luka outside of just double-teaming him at halfcourt. For Giannis, teams have had success simply packing the paint because all he does is drive basically and jump into people. Luka is also a significantly better closer late in games when you need a bucket and a better playmaker.

Again, Giannis is insane and has a great argument for MVP. I think it's biased to claim he's an offensive equal though. If I had to bet on which guy can be shut down easier in the playoffs, it's Giannis 10/10 times.

Everything you're trying to argue is completely irrelevant in MVP discussion.

Because you can shut down Giannis in the playoffs more easily clearly Luka is the regular season MVP - lol

Just ignore that Giannis had one of the greatest finals ever and one if not the greatest finals games ever - shuting down Giannis is actually laughable

[Packbuckman]

Not the same impact offensively. Luka's offense works in the playoffs, Giannis is much easier to slow down in that setting. Luka is also a WAY better playmaker and closer. Giannis is the superior two way, and defender though.

Giannis was 31.7/14.2/6.8 in last year's playoffs across 12 games. Not sure how that says 'easier to slow down'?

Luka's CAREER playoff average in 3 seasons as a 4 year younger player is 32 ppg on 58% TS. He's closer to unguardable than Giannis. We've seen that time and time again. Guys like Horford randomly lock Giannis. A couple of other guys have done it too. I have yet to see an NBA player you can put on Luka for a series, including Kawhi that can lock him up. There is no defensive scheme for Luka outside of just double-teaming him at halfcourt. For Giannis, teams have had success simply packing the paint because all he does is drive basically and jump into people. Luka is also a significantly better closer late in games when you need a bucket and a better playmaker.

Again, Giannis is insane and has a great argument for MVP. I think it's biased to claim he's an offensive equal though. If I had to bet on which guy can be shut down easier in the playoffs, it's Giannis 10/10 times.

And what does that say that Luka was closer to what he is now when he came into the league and Giannis has improved more than any player ever and….
Did you watch the Bucks Celtics series at all Giannis dominated Lopez was not what he is this year and we had no Middleton Giannis wins his 2nd title if both are healthy the Bucks as a team shot the worst ever from 3 and still took the Celtics to 7 gms even this year we are shooting terrible from 3 and 8-0 but whatever I will take Giannis any day over anybody

[OkcSinceSGA]

Luka's CAREER playoff average in 3 seasons as a 4 year younger player is 32 ppg on 58% TS. He's closer to unguardable than Giannis. We've seen that time and time again. Guys like Horford randomly lock Giannis. A couple of other guys have done it too. I have yet to see an NBA player you can put on Luka for a series, including Kawhi that can lock him up. There is no defensive scheme for Luka outside of just double-teaming him at halfcourt. For Giannis, teams have had success simply packing the paint because all he does is drive basically and jump into people. Luka is also a significantly better closer late in games when you need a bucket and a better playmaker.

Again, Giannis is insane and has a great argument for MVP. I think it's biased to claim he's an offensive equal though. If I had to bet on which guy can be shut down easier in the playoffs, it's Giannis 10/10 times.

Everything you're trying to argue is completely irrelevant in MVP discussion.

Because you can shut down Giannis in the playoffs more easily clearly Luka is the regular season MVP - lol

Just ignore that Giannis had one of the greatest finals ever and one if not the greatest finals games ever - shuting down Giannis is actually laughable

Naw, because he’s better offensively in the 2022-2023 regular season. I’m just giving context of his track record there. This regular season alone, Luka is the more unstoppable offensive player.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Giannis was 31.7/14.2/6.8 in last year's playoffs across 12 games. Not sure how that says 'easier to slow down'?

Luka's CAREER playoff average in 3 seasons as a 4 year younger player is 32 ppg on 58% TS. He's closer to unguardable than Giannis. We've seen that time and time again. Guys like Horford randomly lock Giannis. A couple of other guys have done it too. I have yet to see an NBA player you can put on Luka for a series, including Kawhi that can lock him up. There is no defensive scheme for Luka outside of just double-teaming him at halfcourt. For Giannis, teams have had success simply packing the paint because all he does is drive basically and jump into people. Luka is also a significantly better closer late in games when you need a bucket and a better playmaker.

Again, Giannis is insane and has a great argument for MVP. I think it's biased to claim he's an offensive equal though. If I had to bet on which guy can be shut down easier in the playoffs, it's Giannis 10/10 times.

And what does that say that Luka was closer to what he is now when he came into the league and Giannis has improved more than any player ever and….
Did you watch the Bucks Celtics series at all Giannis dominated Lopez was not what he is this year and we had no Middleton Giannis wins his 2nd title if both are healthy the Bucks as a team shot the worst ever from 3 and still took the Celtics to 7 gms even this year we are shooting terrible from 3 and 8-0 but whatever I will take Giannis any day over anybody

If someone said they take Giannis over Luka, nobody says anything. When people say offensively he’s his equal, that’s where the disagreement starts. The reason Giannis has a great argument over Luka for many people is his defensive dominance. By no means is he an offensive equal. Unless you’re purely measuring volume+raw efficiency and not factoring in playmaking, how hard a player is to game plan for, ability to close games. That stuff matters.

[CobraCommander]

Honestly to argue for Luka or Giannis is fine-

to argue against Giannis or Luka right now is asinine.

Both these guys got me questioning what’s possible and thinking ESPN should hire this dude to start sports center explaining what Luka and Giannis are doing like

[skones]

Only thing Giannis has over Luka is a team record. He is 8-0. If season ends right now he would have won MVP easily.

Oh totally, Luka has a mammoth advantage on the defensive end.

[WRau1]

Luka's CAREER playoff average in 3 seasons as a 4 year younger player is 32 ppg on 58% TS. He's closer to unguardable than Giannis. We've seen that time and time again. Guys like Horford randomly lock Giannis. A couple of other guys have done it too. I have yet to see an NBA player you can put on Luka for a series, including Kawhi that can lock him up. There is no defensive scheme for Luka outside of just double-teaming him at halfcourt. For Giannis, teams have had success simply packing the paint because all he does is drive basically and jump into people. Luka is also a significantly better closer late in games when you need a bucket and a better playmaker.

Again, Giannis is insane and has a great argument for MVP. I think it's biased to claim he's an offensive equal though. If I had to bet on which guy can be shut down easier in the playoffs, it's Giannis 10/10 times.

And what does that say that Luka was closer to what he is now when he came into the league and Giannis has improved more than any player ever and….
Did you watch the Bucks Celtics series at all Giannis dominated Lopez was not what he is this year and we had no Middleton Giannis wins his 2nd title if both are healthy the Bucks as a team shot the worst ever from 3 and still took the Celtics to 7 gms even this year we are shooting terrible from 3 and 8-0 but whatever I will take Giannis any day over anybody

If someone said they take Giannis over Luka, nobody says anything. When people say offensively he’s his equal, that’s where the disagreement starts. The reason Giannis has a great argument over Luka for many people is his defensive dominance. By no means is he an offensive equal. Unless you’re purely measuring volume+raw efficiency and not factoring in playmaking, how hard a player is to game plan for, ability to close games. That stuff matters.

None of this is based in reality.

[CobraCommander]

Luka's CAREER playoff average in 3 seasons as a 4 year younger player is 32 ppg on 58% TS. He's closer to unguardable than Giannis. We've seen that time and time again. Guys like Horford randomly lock Giannis. A couple of other guys have done it too. I have yet to see an NBA player you can put on Luka for a series, including Kawhi that can lock him up. There is no defensive scheme for Luka outside of just double-teaming him at halfcourt. For Giannis, teams have had success simply packing the paint because all he does is drive basically and jump into people. Luka is also a significantly better closer late in games when you need a bucket and a better playmaker.

Again, Giannis is insane and has a great argument for MVP. I think it's biased to claim he's an offensive equal though. If I had to bet on which guy can be shut down easier in the playoffs, it's Giannis 10/10 times.

And what does that say that Luka was closer to what he is now when he came into the league and Giannis has improved more than any player ever and….
Did you watch the Bucks Celtics series at all Giannis dominated Lopez was not what he is this year and we had no Middleton Giannis wins his 2nd title if both are healthy the Bucks as a team shot the worst ever from 3 and still took the Celtics to 7 gms even this year we are shooting terrible from 3 and 8-0 but whatever I will take Giannis any day over anybody

If someone said they take Giannis over Luka, nobody says anything. When people say offensively he’s his equal, that’s where the disagreement starts. The reason Giannis has a great argument over Luka for many people is his defensive dominance. By no means is he an offensive equal. Unless you’re purely measuring volume+raw efficiency and not factoring in playmaking, how hard a player is to game plan for, ability to close games. That stuff matters.

Horrible arguement- people have game planned Luka and he has lost in the playoffs against teams that did what they needed to to beat him… Luka has never stood at the top of the nba mountain and looked down on his defeated enemies like Giannis has- championship in hand. Giannis DID win a ring and had amazing offensive and defensive numbers doing so. You can say what you want about Luka but until he does that he doesn’t get a life time achievement award over a contemporary like Giannis that has won it all.
- and I still think if they voted today It’s a toss up for mvp even if think Giannis deserves it more Luka is right there

[Packbuckman]

Luka's CAREER playoff average in 3 seasons as a 4 year younger player is 32 ppg on 58% TS. He's closer to unguardable than Giannis. We've seen that time and time again. Guys like Horford randomly lock Giannis. A couple of other guys have done it too. I have yet to see an NBA player you can put on Luka for a series, including Kawhi that can lock him up. There is no defensive scheme for Luka outside of just double-teaming him at halfcourt. For Giannis, teams have had success simply packing the paint because all he does is drive basically and jump into people. Luka is also a significantly better closer late in games when you need a bucket and a better playmaker.

Again, Giannis is insane and has a great argument for MVP. I think it's biased to claim he's an offensive equal though. If I had to bet on which guy can be shut down easier in the playoffs, it's Giannis 10/10 times.

And what does that say that Luka was closer to what he is now when he came into the league and Giannis has improved more than any player ever and….
Did you watch the Bucks Celtics series at all Giannis dominated Lopez was not what he is this year and we had no Middleton Giannis wins his 2nd title if both are healthy the Bucks as a team shot the worst ever from 3 and still took the Celtics to 7 gms even this year we are shooting terrible from 3 and 8-0 but whatever I will take Giannis any day over anybody

If someone said they take Giannis over Luka, nobody says anything. When people say offensively he’s his equal, that’s where the disagreement starts. The reason Giannis has a great argument over Luka for many people is his defensive dominance. By no means is he an offensive equal. Unless you’re purely measuring volume+raw efficiency and not factoring in playmaking, how hard a player is to game plan for, ability to close games. That stuff matters.

No I am talking game planning and everything do you ever watch tape of players when they are playing the bucks all 5 opposing players are eyes on Giannis when he has the ball and if his teammates could shoot he would have triple doubles all the time is he a pg no but he’s dam good at passing that ball plus he’s the best in the league in the open court Luka is great but I still have Jokic above him too

[CobraCommander]

And what does that say that Luka was closer to what he is now when he came into the league and Giannis has improved more than any player ever and….
Did you watch the Bucks Celtics series at all Giannis dominated Lopez was not what he is this year and we had no Middleton Giannis wins his 2nd title if both are healthy the Bucks as a team shot the worst ever from 3 and still took the Celtics to 7 gms even this year we are shooting terrible from 3 and 8-0 but whatever I will take Giannis any day over anybody

If someone said they take Giannis over Luka, nobody says anything. When people say offensively he’s his equal, that’s where the disagreement starts. The reason Giannis has a great argument over Luka for many people is his defensive dominance. By no means is he an offensive equal. Unless you’re purely measuring volume+raw efficiency and not factoring in playmaking, how hard a player is to game plan for, ability to close games. That stuff matters.

No I am talking game planning and everything do you ever watch tape of players when they are playing the bucks all 5 opposing players are eyes on Giannis when he has the ball and if his teammates could shoot he would have triple doubles all the time is he a pg no but he’s dam good at passing that ball plus he’s the best in the league in the open court Luka is great but I still have Jokic above him too

I got Giannis and Jokic over Luka -

I am alone but I got Jokic number 1

His numbers off because he trying to work his mash unit back into rotation so he can win a ring