Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun?

[FrodoBaggins]

The first few games of the season Duren was in foul trouble and got a quick ejection vs the Rockets, but if you look at his November games (Pistons are undefeated in November) he's at.

32.9 MPG
24.3 PPG on 71.6 FG%
13.1 RPG
2.3 APG
Pistons are 2nd best defense in the league behind only OKC

Pistons have 5 more games in November, but Duren is shaping up to be the Eastern Conference Player of the Month in November if the team keeps winning and he keeps putting up close to a super efficient 24 and 13 like he has been so far this month.


Sengun has not been as good in November as Duren has, and a big part of that is just how efficient Duren is at putting the ball in the basket.

Damn. He could legit be a 25+ ppg, 65%+ TS guy over a season for real. There's offensive scalability there; those face-up bully-ball power slashes from the elbow are no joke. A legit isolation threat to go to.

[HumbleRen]

People keep saying saying Baby Jokic while completely forgetting one of the largest reasons that Jokic is this good is because he’s one of most hyper efficient scoring bigs that we’ve ever seen in nba history.

Sengun can’t even get to league average TS despite shooting 40% from the 3 right now. Don’t tell me he’s baby Jokic. He’s not. The worst version of Jokic would never be inefficient beside a player of KD’s scoring gravity. Not even Sabonis would.

Let’s stop acting like Sengun is some scoring savant.

He's more like a Webber/Pau hybrid.

Think he’s much closer to Pau yeah. Pau in this era would easily average Sengun numbers but with much better efficiency.

Jokic is just a ridiculous comp, there’s no one like him lol.

[bstein14]

The first few games of the season Duren was in foul trouble and got a quick ejection vs the Rockets, but if you look at his November games (Pistons are undefeated in November) he's at.

32.9 MPG
24.3 PPG on 71.6 FG%
13.1 RPG
2.3 APG
Pistons are 2nd best defense in the league behind only OKC

Pistons have 5 more games in November, but Duren is shaping up to be the Eastern Conference Player of the Month in November if the team keeps winning and he keeps putting up close to a super efficient 24 and 13 like he has been so far this month.


Sengun has not been as good in November as Duren has, and a big part of that is just how efficient Duren is at putting the ball in the basket.

Damn. He could legit be a 25+ ppg, 65%+ TS guy over a season for real. There's offensive scalability there; those face-up bully-ball power slashes from the elbow are no joke. A legit isolation threat to go to.

Most impressive thing is he has really started taking other bigs off the dribble from the elbow and scoring layups, and also hit some 15 ft jumpers but he hasn't been overdoing those. He's got the right mix to still be super efficient.

I remember when Drummond starting doing "more" on offense his TS% plummeted but that's not the case here with Duren at all. He's showing the beginning of expanding his offensive game outside of just dunks, lobs, and paint points without killing his efficiency.

[Billl]

In a vacuum, you really can't argue Duren over Segun.

When building a championship team? I don't think Segun is good enough to be a true #1 like Jokic, so both are going to need to be with a true #1 perimeter scorer. I think it's entirely possible Duren pairs better with that guy, but it really depends on the guy. If it's Cade, I think Duren works better. Segun takes up too much mid post space. If it's a young curry, Segun playing hub with curry running around would be fantastic.

Anyway, both guys are developing really well and I'm sure their current teams are thrilled.

[DelAbbot]

People keep saying saying Baby Jokic while completely forgetting one of the largest reasons that Jokic is this good is because he’s one of most hyper efficient scoring bigs that we’ve ever seen in nba history.

Sengun can’t even get to league average TS despite shooting 40% from the 3 right now. Don’t tell me he’s baby Jokic. He’s not. The worst version of Jokic would never be inefficient beside a player of KD’s scoring gravity. Not even Sabonis would.

Let’s stop acting like Sengun is some scoring savant.

He's more like a Webber/Pau hybrid.

Think he’s much closer to Pau yeah. Pau in this era would easily average Sengun numbers but with much better efficiency.

Jokic is just a ridiculous comp, there’s no one like him lol.

While Sengun and Pau Gasol both are slow-footed Euro centers - Pau's height and wingspan sets him apart from Sengun's prototype.

[LockoutSeason]

Duren is a much better fit with Cade and is a great intangible guy.

Sengun is a better fit with the Rockets that need his much more polished offensive game.

Both teams are happy with what they have.

I don't know man. Cade and Sengun could have a beautiful 2 man game. Pistons would be a nightmare to defend if they had another playmaker like Sengun.

I'm a huge Duren fan but Sengun is a couple tiers better.

Now that Duren has arrived, no way the Pistons trade him for Sengun. This is why you have to wait it out on young players, especially when Sengun is a year and a half older.

[Kiss of Death]

Duren is a lot better than he was when about 80% of this site said he was better than Sengun and he still is not better than Sengun.

[Bad Bart]

Sengun's efficiency is never going to match Duren's because of their roles. Sengun is a creator, an engine of the offense, which is going to lead to more difficult shots and turnovers. He's also an end of game closer. Duren, for as great as he is in his role, is a finisher and relies on someone else to set him up. He's very good, but Sengun is on a whole other level in terms of value to his team. Duren also doesn't have the greatest basketball IQ, which shows up on the defensive end from time to time.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I’m wondering if anyone has changed their mind here now that we’re at the ASB?

[schnakenpopanz]

no. the gap is narrow, but would still prefer Sengün. Not that Duren is not 1b in that order now.

[1993Playoffs]

I think HOU eventually trades Sengun

[Kiss of Death]

Duren & Chet still with zero triple doubles.

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[schnakenpopanz]

Duren & Chet still with zero triple doubles.

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As much as i like Sengün, this should not be a criteria to decide who is more valuable.
Shaq only has 2 triple doubles

[MoneyTalks41890]

Duren & Chet still with zero triple doubles.

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Sengun is in his fifth year now and his efficiency is getting worse, not better. And he just had his teammates rip him on the court for not playing defense. KD of all people. And also Amen.

Chet is a DPOY who can actually score efficiently. Sengun isn’t really in his class.

[bovice]

sengun is soft. dude is fools gold. when i saw him unable to back down draymond last year in the playoffs that told me everything I needed to know about him

[tmorgan]

For Detroit, there’s no question Duren is better. Without that information, it might still be Sengun, but it’s getting closer. If Alpy isn’t going to score efficiently, his ability to create for himself isn’t actually valuable. Neither is all that good defensively. Duren’s the better athlete and rebounder.

So yeah, it’s doing more things vs. doing fewer things but better.

[seul1903]

If u’ve been following the Rockets, they’ve honestly become a brutal watch. They literally struggle just to get the ball across half court, n even basic passes turn into a problem. The unforced turnovers are constant, painful and ugly.

What’s hard to understand is that, despite all of this, they still didn’t make a move for a pg to take pressure off the young core. Sengun, Amen, and Reed are getting forced into roles that don’t really fit, and it shows.

Right now the Rockets don’t even have an average level pg, and that puts a ton on Sengun. They don’t consistently run actions to get him touches where he’s most dangerous. Half the time he’s bringing the ball up himself, and when he does get it, it’s often beyond the 3 point line.. basically asking him to dribble drive and create everything for himself n everyone else.

I think Alpi is at his best when he has a real pick-and-roll partner next to him. When he rolls and the defense collapses, he can hit cutters or corner shooters effortlessly. If the opposing center switches, he can punish that matchup too. But the Rockets aren’t executing any of that. He also rarely gets the ball down low, and when he does, the double comes quickly, so he’s constantly working uphill.

That’s why imo comparing Sengun and Duren is tough.. their roles and what they’re asked to do are completely different. But even with all the chaos around him, I still think Sengun’s value and ceiling are higher.

[Kiss of Death]

Duren & Chet still with zero triple doubles.

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Sengun is in his fifth year now and his efficiency is getting worse, not better. And he just had his teammates rip him on the court for not playing defense. KD of all people. And also Amen.

Chet is a DPOY who can actually score efficiently. Sengun isn’t really in his class.

Chet is overrated.
Even you backed off of your ridiculous claim that he was a top 5 center in the NBA already as a rookie.
I guess you didn’t have a choice when they had to sign Hartenstein to replace him because every other center dominated him.

Exactly when did Chet win DPOY?
If you have to lie to make a point, you don’t have a point.

[whatisacenter]

sengun is soft. dude is fools gold. when i saw him unable to back down draymond last year in the playoffs that told me everything I needed to know about him

The guy threw up so many noodle armed one handed shots in that series it was hilarious.

He is still young and looks improved this season.

I voted Duren and would still take him.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Duren & Chet still with zero triple doubles.

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Sengun is in his fifth year now and his efficiency is getting worse, not better. And he just had his teammates rip him on the court for not playing defense. KD of all people. And also Amen.

Chet is a DPOY who can actually score efficiently. Sengun isn’t really in his class.

Chet is overrated.
Even you backed off of your ridiculous claim that he was a top 5 center in the NBA already as a rookie.
I guess you didn’t have a choice when they had to sign Hartenstein to replace him because every other center dominated him.

Exactly when did Chet win DPOY?
If you have to lie to make a point, you don’t have a point.

I mean they moved him to power forward and won a championship? Major own.

He’s a top 3 rim protector. He was top 5 his first year playing. Stats all back this up. He’s going to win DPOY this year and is obviously of that caliber.

It’s not really clear what Sengun is. Though given his outburst towards the female ref he has a lot of growing up to do. But on the court his shot hasn’t developed and his coach is calling him out as a bad defender in the pick and roll.