Wade in Tmac's Orlando situation

[andykeikei]

Personally I don't like Wade because of the ref bias, but this year I feel pity for this guy. He plays his heart out, he plays hurt, he doesn't give up; but his teammates cares nothing. To me, he is a much better leader than some other stars, aka VC.
I don't think his team should be this bad either. With this roster, they should at least have a playoff spot, or fighting for playoff. Shaq, who is obviously declining, should still be posting much better numbers. If he tries hard every game like what he does against Yao, Heat would not have lost 14 straight.
Moreover, I think it is about chemistry more than anything. Losing Mourning really hurts them. He is a fighter, the guy who inspires the whole team. He acts like a professional player and not like some supposed leader who will only point finger at his teammates for not giving him the ball.

[Patterns]

As a Heat fan I'll be happy to trade Wade's teammates for Kobe's teammates and watch him prove us wrong!

Odom=Haslem
Smush<Quin
Shaq>>>Kwame
Wright=Walton

Not only that, Farmar and Vlade weren't a factor at all last season. Cook is garbage. Evans was decent but still a scrub.

We played in the West. You play in the East.

Kobe would never allow a 14 game losing streak even if he's hurt especially playing in the East. He'll launch a few 50, 60 point games just to win a few.

[Number34]

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Odom=Haslem
Smush<Quin
Shaq>>>Kwame
Wright=Walton

Not only that, Farmar and Vlade weren't a factor at all last season. Cook is garbage. Evans was decent but still a scrub.

We played in the West. You play in the East.

Kobe would never allow a 14 game losing streak even if he's hurt especially playing in the East. He'll launch a few 50, 60 point games just to win a few.

odom is better that haslem mate. I would take kwame of shaq right now, at least he will get his butt on the court.

You forget that the heat lack heart and chemistry. You need more than talent to win games.

[Patterns]

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odom is better that haslem mate. I would take kwame of shaq right now, at least he will get his butt on the court.

You forget that the heat lack heart and chemistry. You need more than talent to win games.

Odom is inconsistent and Haslem is a better defender. To be honest, I'd trade Odom for Haslem right now.

Kwame is horrible. He's being boo'd in his own court. Shaq is far better than Kwame. Kwame doesn't belong in the NBA.

Chemistry is what the Lakers lacked that season. There was no chemistry. And with Smush, Odom, Kwame, Luke, what heart was there?

[G35]

Wasn't it Wade that said Dirk wasn't a leader and was the sole reason why the Mav's lost to the Heat?.......

[BBallFreak]

Wasn't it Wade that said Dirk wasn't a leader and was the sole reason why the Mav's lost to the Heat?.......

Here's Wade's quote:

"At the end of the day, you're remembered for what you did at the end. . . . I think that's the reason -- Dirk says they gave us the championship last year, but he's the reason they lost the championship, because he wasn't the leader that he's supposed to be in the closing moments. That's because of great defense by us, but also he wasn't assertive enough as a leader's supposed to be."

[NYKnick87]

dflash3 is owning people left and right.

[Flash3]

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I'm suprised no one else further emphasized this as well. The Heat went from defending champs to first round sweep to worst season in Heat history, but ofcourse teflon coated Wade will escape any kind of criticism.

You're starting to sound as if Wade or the Heat did something to your family.

[Flash3]

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That post proves that you have absolutely no idea about basketball. Shaq has a career ft% of around 50%. That is absolutely atrocious. If that was the Batting Average of an MLB player it would be amazing, but we aren't discussing baseball.

If you're taking Rated seriously with his comments, then IDK what to tell ya....

[Flash3]

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I don't hate Wade at all, I love his game, but its just ridiculous how people are giving him all the credit for winning the chip but excusing him for losing.

No they aren't. This has been said more than once on occasion in this long thread. It is YOU who continues to disregard the fact that people have agreed to this notion.

[Flash3]

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Odom=Haslem

This was addressed already, many a time.

Odom is a player very capable of running a team through, and obviously so. He anchored Miami's team for many parts during the season in 2003/2004, as he did in LA when Kobe was out that season, and also to start the season off last year, even WITH Kobe on the team; getting back from injury.

Haslem, as great of a player as he is, is a supplemental role player, who plays to his role; rebound, defend, effort, and score when given the shot; and he excels in that. But, he's not the same player Odom is/was for LA/Miami.....

Odom and Haslem are no where equal to one another.

[Heat3]

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I wouldn't. I'm glad youre not the Heat GM, since you'd be the next Isiah/McHale if you traded for the Lakers supporting cast. It would be like the Spurs trading Duncan away for Curry.

way to take things seriously buddy....

[Idunkonyou2]

He is actually in a worse situation than McGrady IMO.

[Harry Heinous]

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Sounds like an e-threat..

speaking of "e-threats" (man, I swear Jules hasn't hit puberty yet)

I have a quote of yours from last season, L&H, admitting that Dwade was better than Lebron, and that you were ok with that....how much $ you got?

[Vertical Limit]

He is absolutely in a much worst situation than Tracy McGrady. And please, don't even compare the two players, Tracy McGrady can't get it past the first round.

Wade is playing his ass off, and he's pushing it further than our coaches expect from a guy that is still injured. He is still hesistant to dunk the ball, his knee isn't 100% yet and it clearly shows.

When you shoot 32 of the 38 team points in the SECOND HALF of a game like last night [rest of the team was 3-21 shooting, 6 (Please Use More Appropriate Word) points], you know how bad your supporting cast is.

Every star needs good players on a team. There's not a player in the league that can carry a bad team like this one on their own. Every star has good players, there's no way one guy can take a roster of garbage and expect a .500 record. The old "Shaq won the title in Miami" is BS to me, especially since Shaq was pretty much owned by Ericka and Diop in the Finals defensively. Barely even contributed, except for being an ornament on the court which attracted the double teams.

[dflash3]

He is actually in a worse situation than McGrady IMO.

No... Shaq is a 3 time finals MVP and has won 4 rings. That alone makes Shaq better than Yao. McGrady is playing with a ringless and mvpless player who has proved absolutely nothing. A lot of players would love to play with Shaq now and GMs would trade for him in an instant if he was available. I know the Rockets would love to have Shaq instead of Yao. Shaq isn't putting up legendary numbers now because Wade is being extremely selfish with the ball. Wade has turned into an egotistical player who only wants to pad his stats at the expense of his talented teammates. I think he is pulling what Mike James did during his contract year in Toronto.

[NYKnick87]

Wade in a worse situation than McGrady? That's funny because I remember McGrady having a frontcourt of DeClerq, Ewing, Outlaw, and Kemp before a rookie Gooden got there. He had Mike Miller and Armstrong as his two best backcourt mates.

Right now Wade has a crappy Shaq who at least still draws some attention, Haslem (who is better than any front court player that Tmac had on Orlando), Ricky Davis, and Jason Williams.

Let's not forget the difference in coaching ability either - Rivers and Riley isn't even comparable.

Put Orlando McGrady on this team and they would be performing better simply because McGrady was more versatile. He was a threat from anywhere on the court and had spectacular finishing ability just like Wade. Wade relentless ability to attack the basket is a double edged sword - it helps them win games, but it also loses games because there are times when you absolutely need to hit outside shots - something Wade cannot consistently do. Attacking the basket as much as Wade does also leads him to be turnover AND injury prone, as we are seeing now.

[Harry Heinous]

....yea Wade is not a superstar! Just barely a 'star', and he's the worst star ever, EVER. He's got doo-doo in his soul.

[biscuitsNgrady]

if TMac can do it, why can't Wade?

[Harry Heinous]

if TMac can do it, why can't Wade?

do what exactly?