2017 Isaiah Thomas is better than any version of Iverson.

[Duke4life831]

Allen Iverson averaging 40 points In today's NBA, now I've heard everything

People do realize that rose,Westbrook and Wall are just as fast as Iverson while significantly stronger and they don't average anything close to that.

Lebron James, Stephen curry, Wade, Durant - those guys barely have had 30 point seasons but Iverson is going to destroy everyone


Iverson was not the best player of his era or even close, why on earth would he be averaging 40 points today?


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Yup, if elite scorers like Curry or KD arent doing it and if the all time physical freak and top 5 player Lebron aint doing it, sorry AI isnt doing it. Again could AI do it? Ya if he took 30+ shots and if he did that, he wouldnt be on a winning team.

Just look at Kyrie, best handles in the game since AI and you could maybe make the argument is on the same level or better. Kyrie also like AI is elite at finishing around the rim. Was AI quicker? ya for sure but Kyrie's jumper is far superior. Kyrie this year put up 25 points on 47/40/90 shooting and the overwhelming opinion on this place is Kyrie shoots too much. Yet people would want AI to take enough shots to score 40 a game? My god AI would be one of the most hated players in the NBA on this forum if he played today.

[permaximum]

31-year old Iverson was averaging 33.0 in 2005. In 2017 considering today's game, he would possibly average more than 40 at his prime.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Allen Iverson took his team to 56 wins, made an NBA Finals, and single handedly defeated the best team of all time in Game 1 of the NBA Finals.

If not for him, they go 16-0.

[fourones1x]

[Duke4life831]

Allen Iverson took his team to 56 wins, made an NBA Finals, and single handedly defeated the best team of all time in Game 1 of the NBA Finals.

If not for him, they go 16-0.

He beat the 96 Bulls? Damn alright I give it to him, the dude was able to travel in time. AI takes the cake.

[permaximum]

Allen Iverson took his team to 56 wins, made an NBA Finals, and single handedly defeated the best team of all time in Game 1 of the NBA Finals.

If not for him, they go 16-0.

He beat the 96 Bulls? Damn alright I give it to him, the dude was able to travel in time. AI takes the cake.

Best playoff team of all-time was 2000-01 Lakers where Shaq and Kobe's primes were crossed under the coaching of Phil Jackson. They swept every team but Iverson's Sixers that year which hasn't been done before.

[Duke4life831]

31-year old Iverson was averaging 33.0 in 2005. In 2017 considering today's game, he would possibly average more than 40 at his prime.

Ya 33 shots on 25 shots and 43 minutes a game. Per 36 (probably the amount of minutes he would be playing if he played now) he averaged 27 ppg. IT at the age of 28 averaged 30.8 ppg (per 36) this year and did that on only 20 shots. Again I for sure think AI could average 40 a game, it just take him 30+ shots to do it.

[Duke4life831]

Allen Iverson took his team to 56 wins, made an NBA Finals, and single handedly defeated the best team of all time in Game 1 of the NBA Finals.

If not for him, they go 16-0.

He beat the 96 Bulls? Damn alright I give it to him, the dude was able to travel in time. AI takes the cake.

Best playoff team of all-time was 2000-01 Lakers where Shaq and Kobe's primes were crossed under the coaching of Phil Jackson. They swept every team but Iverson's Sixers that year which hasn't been done before.

Yes I know that. That doesnt make them the best team of all time though.

[OkcSinceSGA]

01 Lakers were nowhere near their best. That's the year they had the 21st ranked defense. In the playoffs obviously they impressed but that alone doesn't make it the best season for them. They also had only the 6th best SRS which is crazy to me.

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31-year old Iverson was averaging 33.0 in 2005. In 2017 considering today's game, he would possibly average more than 40 at his prime.

Ya 33 shots on 25 shots and 43 minutes a game. Per 36 (probably the amount of minutes he would be playing if he played now) he averaged 27 ppg. IT at the age of 28 averaged 30.8 ppg (per 36) this year and did that on only 20 shots. Again I for sure think AI could average 40 a game, it just take him 30+ shots to do it.

Lol

1. You have to use per-possession stats. Iverson's teams were slower.
2. Iverson would play more than everyone in the league no matter what. Playing 10+ minutes more than the current best players instead of allowing replacement players to play is a huge contribution. Durability is a big factor and it's considered a player skill. With higher minutes and usage efficiency suffers. Iverson mostly maintained his and didn't allow crap players to play instead of him.
3. With today's rulesets and game, I was actually conservative about my prediction for 40 ppg. I should have said 45 on at least 58% TS.

[permaximum]

01 Lakers were nowhere near their best. That's the year they had the 21st ranked defense. In the playoffs obviously they impressed but that alone doesn't make it the best season for them.

That makes it the best playoff team of all time. They didn't give a **** about the regular and then towards the end they won 19 straight including playoffs until they met Iverson.

[permaximum]

Double post.

[OkcSinceSGA]

01 Lakers were nowhere near their best. That's the year they had the 21st ranked defense. In the playoffs obviously they impressed but that alone doesn't make it the best season for them.

That makes it the best playoff team of all time. They didn't give a **** about the regular and then towards the end they won 19 straight including playoffs until they met Iverson.

I missed playoff word. I'm still waking up.

[Duke4life831]

31-year old Iverson was averaging 33.0 in 2005. In 2017 considering today's game, he would possibly average more than 40 at his prime.

Ya 33 shots on 25 shots and 43 minutes a game. Per 36 (probably the amount of minutes he would be playing if he played now) he averaged 27 ppg. IT at the age of 28 averaged 30.8 ppg (per 36) this year and did that on only 20 shots. Again I for sure think AI could average 40 a game, it just take him 30+ shots to do it.

Lol

1. You have to use per-possession stats. Iverson's teams were slower.
2. Iverson would play more than everyone in the league no matter what. Playing 10+ minutes more than the current best players instead of allowing replacement players to play is a huge contribution. Durability is a big factor and it's considered a player skill. With higher minutes and usage efficiency suffers. Iverson mostly maintained his and didn't allow crap players to play instead of him.
3. With today's rulesets and game, I was actually conservative about my prediction for 40 ppg. I should have said 45 on at least 58% TS.

1) per possession stats actually favor IT even more than the per 36. IT: 42.4 pts on 28.4 shots. AI: 39.7 pts on 30.4 shots. So IT is basically 3 points better while taking 2 less shots.
2) You think a guy like Westbrook cant play more minutes or doesnt want to? That is the way coaches coach now a days, they dont do the short rotations anymore. For instance, Lebron lead the league at 37.8 minutes a game, in 2001 37.8 minutes a game wouldve been good enough to be tied for 34th with a 30 year old Nick Van Exel. Youre going to sit here and tell me there were 30+ more guys more durable than Lebron, Russ, Wiggins, Butler and so on?
3) Ive gone over the TS% thing enough already. AI was always below average for a guard when it came to TS%. He was ranked in the 20s and 30s for guards when it came to TS% for the majority of his career. And a 58 TS% wouldve put him around 8th out of guards this year and he would be with guys like CJ and Kyrie who both flirted with 50/40/90 seasons this year.

[Duke4life831]

01 Lakers were nowhere near their best. That's the year they had the 21st ranked defense. In the playoffs obviously they impressed but that alone doesn't make it the best season for them.

That makes it the best playoff team of all time. They didn't give a **** about the regular and then towards the end they won 19 straight including playoffs until they met Iverson.

I missed playoff word. I'm still waking up.

Well the original post bringing up the Lakers didnt say playoff team, they just said best team of all time.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Allen Iverson took his team to 56 wins, made an NBA Finals, and single handedly defeated the best team of all time in Game 1 of the NBA Finals.

If not for him, they go 16-0.

He beat the 96 Bulls? Damn alright I give it to him, the dude was able to travel in time. AI takes the cake.

01 Lakers are better.

Sorry bro.

[KingDavid]

All this thread did was show how favored perimeter players are in regards to rules and the shift to the 3pt line.

I can't imagine how annoying AI would be to guard with the kind of space and offense and whistles in today's NBA. Bigs can't touch him as he's doing layups? Bigs can set moving screens to get him open from 3? It'd be similar to Kyrie Irving on steroids and he'd love at the ft line. IT needs more years before we can really dig in to that comparison, imo.

[OkcSinceSGA]

That makes it the best playoff team of all time. They didn't give a **** about the regular and then towards the end they won 19 straight including playoffs until they met Iverson.

I missed playoff word. I'm still waking up.

Well the original post bringing up the Lakers didnt say playoff team, they just said best team of all time.

Ah. That's what I must of read. In that case, not even close. 01 Lakers were 21st ranked defense. 15 Warriors+96 Bulls far more dominant from start to finish.

[Duke4life831]

All this thread did was show how favored perimeter players are in regards to rules and the shift to the 3pt line.

I can't imagine how annoying AI would be to guard with the kind of space and offense and whistles in today's NBA. Bigs can't touch him as he's doing layups? Bigs can set moving screens to get him open from 3? It'd be similar to Kyrie Irving on steroids and he'd love at the ft line. IT needs more years before we can really dig in to that comparison, imo.

I agree he needs a hell of a lot more years if we are trying to compare the two players career. But this thread is about comparing single seasons. No one is saying IT is the superior player. This is about did IT just put up a single season better than any single season AI put up. I used the Chris Johnson to Walter Payton comparison eariler. Johnson has 1 season better than any single season Payton put up, but no one is saying Johnson is the better RB.

[KingDavid]

31-year old Iverson was averaging 33.0 in 2005. In 2017 considering today's game, he would possibly average more than 40 at his prime.

Ya 33 shots on 25 shots and 43 minutes a game. Per 36 (probably the amount of minutes he would be playing if he played now) he averaged 27 ppg. IT at the age of 28 averaged 30.8 ppg (per 36) this year and did that on only 20 shots. Again I for sure think AI could average 40 a game, it just take him 30+ shots to do it.

Lol

1. You have to use per-possession stats. Iverson's teams were slower.
2. Iverson would play more than everyone in the league no matter what. Playing 10+ minutes more than the current best players instead of allowing replacement players to play is a huge contribution. Durability is a big factor and it's considered a player skill. With higher minutes and usage efficiency suffers. Iverson mostly maintained his and didn't allow crap players to play instead of him.
3. With today's rulesets and game, I was actually conservative about my prediction for 40 ppg. I should have said 45 on at least 58% TS.

No one is averaging 45 points in today's NBA. That would be a hair under half the league's team scoring average. The scouting report would be to put immense pressure on role players and let Iverson score as much as he wants. That's way too predictable and shuts out his teammates. That team couldn't win much of anything. Westbrook and harden have silly level of usage and don't average that many points.