Nothin but Nets

[Gooner]

I mean, youre avoiding the obvious here— theres a reason the Nets were sub .500 with everyone healthy while the Celtics have the third best record in the league. If you want to believe that Dinwiddie is better than Kemba and that the Nets are more talented than Boston, be my guest— I’m just happy knowing that theres no real point to continue this discussion.

Both Spencer and Terry are “leading” their teams right now and what Spencer is doing for the Nets, who should be at the bottom of the East with all our injuries, trumps Rozier in every way possible. You say “revert back to form” do you mean a possible 6th man of the year? Cause his numbers show he is a quality player no matter the role.

Yes, thats exactly what I mean. He’s a fantastic player, a definite 6th man contender and is similar to Lou Will in my mind. I really like the player. I’ve argued on this board this week that he’s clearly your second best player [ignoring KD] behind Kyrie.

He’s just no where near the level of Kemba and I’m not going to overrate him because of a hot stretch of play against one of the easiest schedules in the league.

Is Kemba really above the level of Lou Williams, that's the question. They are similar types of players, with similar stats, and until this season, Lou has done more on winning teams. I like your comparison between Dinwiddie and Lou, but that's why I compare him to Kemba aswell. We'll disagree on this again, but they are in the same class to me.

[celtxman]

I hear you man...we Celtics fans feel the same way. Like when on the now instant classic "Celtics exposed" thread there was one of these Nets fans who started by saying the Celtics would be a "fun" team and then proceeded to say they would be a 6-8 seed. Man just stay on the Nets board, right? Well we at least agree on one thing. He said Kemba was no Kyrie. He nailed that one. Can you let him know?

Kemba is not Kyrie. Kemba is SMALL TIME. He lives off his college rep but has consistently flopped when given the spotlight in the association.

Dude's selfish antics were a HUGE reason Team USA underachieved this past summer.

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Yes, he was poor for USA and he is not a championship caliber player. He fits better on Boston than Kyrie though, but their ceiling is very limited with that Brad Stevens basketball.

These are comfortable anti Celtics narratives. Since anything short of a championship will feed the narrative of Brad Stevens being a regular season coach, or whatever you think, there's a nice safety net. He can get a team that the anti Celtic crew had going nowhere and had no bigs with the 3rd best record. Well there's plenty of time for them to fall. And if they don't "we know they'd do well in the regular season and then lay an egg in the playoffs. Getting the Celtics to within a game of the Finals without their two best players is somehow a negative and comes with all kinds of qualifiers. Any way you slice it, if you bet the field against a team, coach, etc., you'll be wildly successful. What I see from "Brad Steven's basketball " is a lot of wins, when they weren't expected.
As to Kemba, we ignore what is going on now and go to USA basketball. Really? Maybe we should search back to see what people said about Paul Pierce who had a miserable experience with USA basketball. Maybe they said he wasn't a championship caliber player. Yes, I'm quite sure the anti Celtics group said that. Finals MVP. USA basketball was so important that most of the players didn't play because it didn't mean anything, or they knew what was likely going to happen to any USA team. You can't have it both ways

[Gooner]

Kemba is not Kyrie. Kemba is SMALL TIME. He lives off his college rep but has consistently flopped when given the spotlight in the association.

Dude's selfish antics were a HUGE reason Team USA underachieved this past summer.

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Yes, he was poor for USA and he is not a championship caliber player. He fits better on Boston than Kyrie though, but their ceiling is very limited with that Brad Stevens basketball.

These are comfortable anti Celtics narratives. Since anything short of a championship will feed the narrative of Brad Stevens being a regular season coach, or whatever you think, there's a nice safety net. He can get a team that the anti Celtic crew had going nowhere and had no bigs with the 3rd best record. Well there's plenty of time for them to fall. And if they don't "we know they'd do well in the regular season and then lay an egg in the playoffs. Getting the Celtics to within a game of the Finals without their two best players is somehow a negative and comes with all kinds of qualifiers. Any way you slice it, if you bet the field against a team, coach, etc., you'll be wildly successful. What I see from "Brad Steven's basketball " is a lot of wins, when they weren't expected.
As to Kemba, we ignore what is going on now and go to USA basketball. Really? Maybe we should search back to see what people said about Paul Pierce who had a miserable experience with USA basketball. Maybe they said he wasn't a championship caliber player. Yes, I'm quite sure the anti Celtics group said that. Finals MVP. USA basketball was so important that most of the players didn't play because it didn't mean anything, or they knew what was likely going to happen to any USA team. You can't have it both ways

Brad Stevens is a good coach, I just think he is not championship caliber. I don't think he has strong enough of a personality for that, and both his offense and defense can be unimaginative.

I watched world cup and Kemba looked scared to me against France. He was getting stripped consecutively by Ntilikina and he missed some free throws down the stretch, and performed badly overall. Those USA teams with Paul Pierce just didn't take the competition seriously enough. They tried to win just on talent and they failed. Their approach is different now, and it has been since 2007.

[celtxman]

Yes, he was poor for USA and he is not a championship caliber player. He fits better on Boston than Kyrie though, but their ceiling is very limited with that Brad Stevens basketball.

These are comfortable anti Celtics narratives. Since anything short of a championship will feed the narrative of Brad Stevens being a regular season coach, or whatever you think, there's a nice safety net. He can get a team that the anti Celtic crew had going nowhere and had no bigs with the 3rd best record. Well there's plenty of time for them to fall. And if they don't "we know they'd do well in the regular season and then lay an egg in the playoffs. Getting the Celtics to within a game of the Finals without their two best players is somehow a negative and comes with all kinds of qualifiers. Any way you slice it, if you bet the field against a team, coach, etc., you'll be wildly successful. What I see from "Brad Steven's basketball " is a lot of wins, when they weren't expected.
As to Kemba, we ignore what is going on now and go to USA basketball. Really? Maybe we should search back to see what people said about Paul Pierce who had a miserable experience with USA basketball. Maybe they said he wasn't a championship caliber player. Yes, I'm quite sure the anti Celtics group said that. Finals MVP. USA basketball was so important that most of the players didn't play because it didn't mean anything, or they knew what was likely going to happen to any USA team. You can't have it both ways

Brad Stevens is a good coach, I just think he is not championship caliber. I don't think he has strong enough of a personality for that, and both his offense and defense can be unimaginative.

I watched world cup and Kemba looked scared to me against France. He was getting stripped consecutively by Ntilikina and he missed some free throws down the stretch, and performed badly overall. Those USA teams with Paul Pierce just didn't take the competition seriously enough. They tried to win just on talent and they failed. Their approach is different now, and it has been since 2007.

I think it is too hard to qualify why this version of USA is more significant than the Pierce USA team. The view of Pierce changed when the Celtics won the championship. Likewise, when the Knicks cheaped out on Kerr, when Nurse took over Toronto, when Rivers lost 18 straight games, no one was saying they were championship coaches. Popovich needed the endorsement of Duncan and Robinson to hang on in San Antonio after they were calling for his job. So I imagine the championship level coach stuff comes from not being able to manage Irving. And yet we know that logic is flawed looking at Popovich and Kawhi.
The adversity of last season can also make Steven's stronger. Time will tell.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Both Spencer and Terry are “leading” their teams right now and what Spencer is doing for the Nets, who should be at the bottom of the East with all our injuries, trumps Rozier in every way possible. You say “revert back to form” do you mean a possible 6th man of the year? Cause his numbers show he is a quality player no matter the role.

Yes, thats exactly what I mean. He’s a fantastic player, a definite 6th man contender and is similar to Lou Will in my mind. I really like the player. I’ve argued on this board this week that he’s clearly your second best player [ignoring KD] behind Kyrie.

He’s just no where near the level of Kemba and I’m not going to overrate him because of a hot stretch of play against one of the easiest schedules in the league.

Is Kemba really above the level of Lou Williams, that's the question. They are similar types of players, with similar stats, and until this season, Lou has done more on winning teams. I like your comparison between Dinwiddie and Lou, but that's why I compare him to Kemba aswell. We'll disagree on this again, but they are in the same class to me.

Unquestionably— every single advanced stat shows this. Every single one. Youre welcome to try to make an argument to the contrary, though— its fun watching you repeatedly fall on your face.

[Nazrmohamed]

Both Spencer and Terry are “leading” their teams right now and what Spencer is doing for the Nets, who should be at the bottom of the East with all our injuries, trumps Rozier in every way possible. You say “revert back to form” do you mean a possible 6th man of the year? Cause his numbers show he is a quality player no matter the role.

Yes, thats exactly what I mean. He’s a fantastic player, a definite 6th man contender and is similar to Lou Will in my mind. I really like the player. I’ve argued on this board this week that he’s clearly your second best player [ignoring KD] behind Kyrie.

He’s just no where near the level of Kemba and I’m not going to overrate him because of a hot stretch of play against one of the easiest schedules in the league.

Is Kemba really above the level of Lou Williams, that's the question. They are similar types of players, with similar stats, and until this season, Lou has done more on winning teams. I like your comparison between Dinwiddie and Lou, but that's why I compare him to Kemba aswell. We'll disagree on this again, but they are in the same class to me.

I like your comparison but wonder if that shows Kemba in a bad light or Lou in a better light. Probably somewhere in between but just wanna say that Lou could be one of the best 6th men of all time when you look at the span of time he's been this good. I know we don't spend enough time talking about it or at least I've never seen a list but hes good enough that I don't take what you said as a slight. In fact I think Lou is just as good as about a 3rd of starting PGs and we're at a time with so many good pgs.

(Knicks can't land 1 SMH)

[Gooner]

Yes, thats exactly what I mean. He’s a fantastic player, a definite 6th man contender and is similar to Lou Will in my mind. I really like the player. I’ve argued on this board this week that he’s clearly your second best player [ignoring KD] behind Kyrie.

He’s just no where near the level of Kemba and I’m not going to overrate him because of a hot stretch of play against one of the easiest schedules in the league.

Is Kemba really above the level of Lou Williams, that's the question. They are similar types of players, with similar stats, and until this season, Lou has done more on winning teams. I like your comparison between Dinwiddie and Lou, but that's why I compare him to Kemba aswell. We'll disagree on this again, but they are in the same class to me.

Unquestionably— every single advanced stat shows this. Every single one. Youre welcome to try to make an argument to the contrary, though— its fun watching you repeatedly fall on your face.

I'm not falling on my face, I just have my opinion, you have the right to agree or disagree. It's always easy to escape through advanced stats route though. That doesn't prove anything, Dennis Schroeder is leader in RPM for example. That tells me nothing.

[Gooner]

Yes, thats exactly what I mean. He’s a fantastic player, a definite 6th man contender and is similar to Lou Will in my mind. I really like the player. I’ve argued on this board this week that he’s clearly your second best player [ignoring KD] behind Kyrie.

He’s just no where near the level of Kemba and I’m not going to overrate him because of a hot stretch of play against one of the easiest schedules in the league.

Is Kemba really above the level of Lou Williams, that's the question. They are similar types of players, with similar stats, and until this season, Lou has done more on winning teams. I like your comparison between Dinwiddie and Lou, but that's why I compare him to Kemba aswell. We'll disagree on this again, but they are in the same class to me.

I like your comparison but wonder if that shows Kemba in a bad light or Lou in a better light. Probably somewhere in between but just wanna say that Lou could be one of the best 6th men of all time when you look at the span of time he's been this good. I know we don't spend enough time talking about it or at least I've never seen a list but hes good enough that I don't take what you said as a slight. In fact I think Lou is just as good as about a 3rd of starting PGs and we're at a time with so many good pgs.

(Knicks can't land 1 SMH)

I rate Lou, didn't mean that as a slight on Kemba at all.

[Zombiesonics]

This idea that levert is as good as brown + tatum and kemba is equal to dinwiddie... Its fine if its your opinion but all the stats say otherwise.

and Fiba world cup means nothing when discussing the nba season and its results. For instance, giannis has been dominant and the bucks should be considered favorites to win the title; it means nothing that he was nullified vs brazil.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Is Kemba really above the level of Lou Williams, that's the question. They are similar types of players, with similar stats, and until this season, Lou has done more on winning teams. I like your comparison between Dinwiddie and Lou, but that's why I compare him to Kemba aswell. We'll disagree on this again, but they are in the same class to me.

Unquestionably— every single advanced stat shows this. Every single one. Youre welcome to try to make an argument to the contrary, though— its fun watching you repeatedly fall on your face.

I'm not falling on my face, I just have my opinion, you have the right to agree or disagree. It's always easy to escape through advanced stats route though. That doesn't prove anything, Dennis Schroeder is leader in RPM for example. That tells me nothing.

Youre arguing yourself in a circle because of your dislike of a team.

Heres what you’ve argued:

-this season is evidence enough to elevate the ranking of Spencer Dinwiddie
-Winning matters and you degrade Kemba for it

However, if this season is a strong enough sample size and winning is important, there is no argument then that Kemba isnt a better player than Kyrie as he’s led a less talented team to a significantly better record than Kyrie did last year.

You’ll reject this argument.

You’ll then counter to LeBron James carrying him to a title and the shot he hit. You’ll ignore that Kemba has really accomplished just as much without LeBron James as Kyrie has without LeBron James. You’ll argue that Kyrie played with crap talent before LeBron arrived, but ignore that Kemba played with even worse talent.

Its tiring. You shift goal posts constantly because youre more interested in trashing a team than you are in being objective. Go ahead, though— continue to state your opinion and shift goal posts, selectively choosing where you want to apply and discredit context.

Merry Christmas— I’m not going to waste my day arguing with someone trying to troll.

[Gooner]

Unquestionably— every single advanced stat shows this. Every single one. Youre welcome to try to make an argument to the contrary, though— its fun watching you repeatedly fall on your face.

I'm not falling on my face, I just have my opinion, you have the right to agree or disagree. It's always easy to escape through advanced stats route though. That doesn't prove anything, Dennis Schroeder is leader in RPM for example. That tells me nothing.

Youre arguing yourself in a circle because of your dislike of a team.

Heres what you’ve argued:

-this season is evidence enough to elevate the ranking of Spencer Dinwiddie
-Winning matters and you degrade Kemba for it

However, if this season is a strong enough sample size and winning is important, there is no argument then that Kemba isnt a better player than Kyrie as he’s led a less talented team to a significantly better record than Kyrie did last year.

You’ll reject this argument.

You’ll then counter to LeBron James carrying him to a title and the shot he hit. You’ll ignore that Kemba has really accomplished just as much without LeBron James as Kyrie has without LeBron James. You’ll argue that Kyrie played with crap talent before LeBron arrived, but ignore that Kemba played with even worse talent.

Its tiring. You shift goal posts constantly because youre more interested in trashing a team than you are in being objective. Go ahead, though— continue to state your opinion and shift goal posts, selectively choosing where you want to apply and discredit context.

Merry Christmas— I’m not going to waste my day arguing with someone trying to troll.

I didn't degrade Kemba, I've just elevated Dinwiddie to his level in my estimation.

I'll accept that Kyrie argument and ask question to you. What was the record in Kyrie's first season in Boston at this stage? That team wasn't more talented than this Boston team. Of course, both of us know that it's not all about talent.

LeBron didn't carry Kyrie, he averaged 27 in the finals and outplayed Curry. It's not all just about one shot. It's silly to write that off because he played with LeBron, it's childish argument. It's fine to say he has more to prove as a leader, but what did Kemba prove? Other than having a good start in Boston, which Kyrie had aswell.

I'm not trashing anyone, that's just your perception. For you saying that Dinwiddie is as good as Kemba is an insult, for me it's reality. It's just a difference in opinion, that's all. We'll see what happens in the future. We'll see. Merry Christmas to you aswell.

[DarkXaero]

This thread has gotten pretty sidetracked from the original premise. The OP has essentially been debunked at this point, as the OP tried to make the point that Nets aren't the same playoffs team (without major offseason additions) that they were last season. Yet the Nets are currently on pace to be better than last year's record, while missing 3 of their top 4 players, including their two elite players. OP thought that the likes of Carroll, Davis, Dudley, RHJ, Napier were a major factor in us making playoffs, and our replacement players would be worse. Well, our team has been decimated with injuries, and we're playing better ball than last year right now.

[Rockice_24]

This idea that levert is as good as brown + tatum and kemba is equal to dinwiddie... Its fine if its your opinion but all the stats say otherwise.

and Fiba world cup means nothing when discussing the nba season and its results. For instance, giannis has been dominant and the bucks should be considered favorites to win the title; it means nothing that he was nullified vs brazil.

Except isn't Dinwiddie's stats better then Tatum's?

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[Hello Brooklyn]

Unquestionably— every single advanced stat shows this. Every single one. Youre welcome to try to make an argument to the contrary, though— its fun watching you repeatedly fall on your face.

I'm not falling on my face, I just have my opinion, you have the right to agree or disagree. It's always easy to escape through advanced stats route though. That doesn't prove anything, Dennis Schroeder is leader in RPM for example. That tells me nothing.

Youre arguing yourself in a circle because of your dislike of a team.

Heres what you’ve argued:

-this season is evidence enough to elevate the ranking of Spencer Dinwiddie
-Winning matters and you degrade Kemba for it

However, if this season is a strong enough sample size and winning is important, there is no argument then that Kemba isnt a better player than Kyrie as he’s led a less talented team to a significantly better record than Kyrie did last year.

You’ll reject this argument.

You’ll then counter to LeBron James carrying him to a title and the shot he hit. You’ll ignore that Kemba has really accomplished just as much without LeBron James as Kyrie has without LeBron James. You’ll argue that Kyrie played with crap talent before LeBron arrived, but ignore that Kemba played with even worse talent.

Its tiring. You shift goal posts constantly because youre more interested in trashing a team than you are in being objective. Go ahead, though— continue to state your opinion and shift goal posts, selectively choosing where you want to apply and discredit context.

Merry Christmas— I’m not going to waste my day arguing with someone trying to troll.

It's funny that you're trying to accuse other people of trolling while trying to profess this absurd notion that LeBron carried Kyrie to a title.

Everyone knows that LeBron loses that Finals without Kyrie. LeBron knows it, the entire Cavaliers organization knows and you know it.

Kyrie is one of the best Finals performers of all time by any objective measure. And that includes anyone else LeBron has played with

I don't think Dinwddie is as good as Kemba. But your argument here is bad faith and way more a version of "trolling" than anyone else in this thread.

[Hello Brooklyn]

This thread has gotten pretty sidetracked from the original premise. The OP has essentially been debunked at this point, as the OP tried to make the point that Nets aren't the same playoffs team (without major offseason additions) that they were last season. Yet the Nets are currently on pace to be better than last year's record, while missing 3 of their top 4 players, including their two elite players. OP thought that the likes of Carroll, Davis, Dudley, RHJ, Napier were a major factor in us making playoffs, and our replacement players would be worse. Well, our team has been decimated with injuries, and we're playing better ball than last year right now.

OP's logic and points were complete nonsense and he won't admit it even now. They relied completely on out of context advanced stats that bore no correlation to reality.

Temple, Prince, Jordan have been far better than the role players from last year and it hasn't been close.

[Paradise]

Imagine creating an an asinine thread like this and still failing to admit none of these guys are playing on their current teams.

Let’s see where Napier/Graham are in MIN, D’Lo in GS, RHJ in TOR, Dudley in LA and Carroll in SA. Last time I checked, I don’t see any of these dudes lighting the world on fire or contributing the same way as last season for their respective teams. Let’s cut out the nonsense.

I know it must hurt the vaginal area of most agenda driven fans that we made half of RealGM look foolish by landing the names that they did not even fathom we could land or laughed at us for discussing with confidence. We went from “lol no draft picks nets ” and “lol duh nyets got no future” to having a young core developing outside of the superstar additions without the use of a lotto pick.

Next season, we can realistically come back with a re-signed Joe Harris, Dinwiddie as an All-Star, organic growth from LeVert, Allen, Kurucs, Claxton, Musa. Jaylen Hands and Claxton will have a shot to be a rotational back ups over some of these older guys. We also will add a late 1st round pick (24th), another free agent vet looking to chance a playoff run (KD & Kyrie will recruit) and all before KD makes his return...OR we could flip a collection of Kurucs, Musa, Claxton, 24th 1st for a higher draft pick...or package Prince/LeVert for a legitimate 3rd option star. Flexibility.

Nets also have like 6 2nd round picks through 2025 and could make all sorts of deals with that or for another late 1st for another rotational role playing draft pick entering next season.

None of those role players for us last season were ever signing long term. They were part of a phase in the evolution of our rebuild and they all KNEW that. Most of them talked about making the playoffs because they knew the team was temporary. It was a magical team but we’re better off without them. All of them.

[GeorgeMarcus]

This thread has gotten pretty sidetracked from the original premise. The OP has essentially been debunked at this point, as the OP tried to make the point that Nets aren't the same playoffs team (without major offseason additions) that they were last season. Yet the Nets are currently on pace to be better than last year's record, while missing 3 of their top 4 players, including their two elite players. OP thought that the likes of Carroll, Davis, Dudley, RHJ, Napier were a major factor in us making playoffs, and our replacement players would be worse. Well, our team has been decimated with injuries, and we're playing better ball than last year right now.

OP's logic and points were complete nonsense and he won't admit it even now. They relied completely on out of context advanced stats that bore no correlation to reality.

Temple, Prince, Jordan have been far better than the role players from last year and it hasn't been close.

Lol every time I make evidence-based arguments you tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about, as if I had any reason to disparage the Nets without reason. Wait until Kyrie comes back and watch the woeful mediocrity commence.

PS after you talked about the Nets being 1 seed behind Philly last week, I feel obligated to say this... The Nets are equally as close to the Hornets as they are the Sixers. Plus they’re right at the 7 seed where I predicted them. I’ll be signing autographs after the show.

[Hello Brooklyn]

This thread has gotten pretty sidetracked from the original premise. The OP has essentially been debunked at this point, as the OP tried to make the point that Nets aren't the same playoffs team (without major offseason additions) that they were last season. Yet the Nets are currently on pace to be better than last year's record, while missing 3 of their top 4 players, including their two elite players. OP thought that the likes of Carroll, Davis, Dudley, RHJ, Napier were a major factor in us making playoffs, and our replacement players would be worse. Well, our team has been decimated with injuries, and we're playing better ball than last year right now.

OP's logic and points were complete nonsense and he won't admit it even now. They relied completely on out of context advanced stats that bore no correlation to reality.

Temple, Prince, Jordan have been far better than the role players from last year and it hasn't been close.

Lol every time I make evidence-based arguments you tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about, as if I had any reason to disparage the Nets without reason. Wait until Kyrie comes back and watch the woeful mediocrity commence.

PS after you talked about the Nets being 1 seed behind Philly last week, I feel obligated to say this... The Nets are equally as close to the Hornets as they are the Sixers. Plus they’re right at the 7 seed where I predicted them. I’ll be signing autographs after the show.

Why do you just make up lies?

I never said the Nets were 1 seed ahead of Philly last week. That was a different poster. You claim to "look at the evidence" in one breathe and then levy false claims at me in the other? Pretty sure that only ruins your credibility.

As far as your "evidence based arguments", you tried claiming the Nets were worse than last year and would not make the playoffs because they lost Davis, Dudley, Caroll. All 3 of those guys are playing badly for their new teams and all of the Nets new role players are far better. This was just a nonsense based argument based on out of context stats. Anyone who watches the Nets knows that we were not going to "miss the playoffs." And it was certainly not because we lost those 3 guys.

You also said that it wasn't Kyrie's fault. A position you're trying to now change and pretend like having Kyrie back will make us worse. Only because you're trying to protect your original false narrative.

Sometimes you just need to take the L and admit you were wrong bro. Its not that big of a deal. I've admitted I was wrong before like with the Celtics this year.

Regarding the Nets being "mediocre", I could care less. Were getting back KD next year and will have the most talent in the East. Meanwhile your Sixers are still built around two players who can't play together and will likely be broken up after this year.

Our position is far more desirable than yours.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Imagine creating an an asinine thread like this and still failing to admit none of these guys are playing on their current teams.

Let’s see where Napier/Graham are in MIN, D’Lo in GS, RHJ in TOR, Dudley in LA and Carroll in SA. Last time I checked, I don’t see any of these dudes lighting the world on fire or contributing the same way as last season for their respective teams. Let’s cut out the nonsense.

I know it must hurt the vaginal area of most agenda driven fans that we made half of RealGM look foolish by landing the names that they did not even fathom we could land or laughed at us for discussing with confidence. We went from “lol no draft picks nets ” and “lol duh nyets got no future” to having a young core developing outside of the superstar additions without the use of a lotto pick.

Next season, we can realistically come back with a re-signed Joe Harris, Dinwiddie as an All-Star, organic growth from LeVert, Allen, Kurucs, Claxton, Musa. Jaylen Hands and Claxton will have a shot to be a rotational back ups over some of these older guys. We also will add a late 1st round pick (24th), another free agent vet looking to chance a playoff run (KD & Kyrie will recruit) and all before KD makes his return...OR we could flip a collection of Kurucs, Musa, Claxton, 24th 1st for a higher draft pick...or package Prince/LeVert for a legitimate 3rd option star. Flexibility.

Nets also have like 6 2nd round picks through 2025 and could make all sorts of deals with that or for another late 1st for another rotational role playing draft pick entering next season.

None of those role players for us last season were ever signing long term. They were part of a phase in the evolution of our rebuild and they all KNEW that. Most of them talked about making the playoffs because they knew the team was temporary. It was a magical team but we’re better off without them. All of them.

Yikes...

The role players last year are better suited next to DLo/Kyrie types of players. That’s why the Kyrie sample was more indicative of what I was talking about. Time will tell (even though it kind of already has).

[GeorgeMarcus]

OP's logic and points were complete nonsense and he won't admit it even now. They relied completely on out of context advanced stats that bore no correlation to reality.

Temple, Prince, Jordan have been far better than the role players from last year and it hasn't been close.

Lol every time I make evidence-based arguments you tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about, as if I had any reason to disparage the Nets without reason. Wait until Kyrie comes back and watch the woeful mediocrity commence.

PS after you talked about the Nets being 1 seed behind Philly last week, I feel obligated to say this... The Nets are equally as close to the Hornets as they are the Sixers. Plus they’re right at the 7 seed where I predicted them. I’ll be signing autographs after the show.

Why do you just make up lies?

I never said the Nets were 1 seed ahead of Philly last week. That was a different poster. You claim to "look at the evidence" in one breathe and then levy false claims at me in the other? Pretty sure that only ruins your credibility.

As far as your "evidence based arguments", you tried claiming the Nets were worse than last year and would not make the playoffs because they lost Davis, Dudley, Caroll. All 3 of those guys are playing badly for their new teams and all of the Nets new role players are far better. This was just a nonsense based argument based on out of context stats. Anyone who watches the Nets knows that we were not going to "miss the playoffs." And it was certainly not because we lost those 3 guys.

You also said that it wasn't Kyrie's fault. A position you're trying to now change and pretend like having Kyrie back will make us worse. Only because you're trying to protect your original false narrative.

Sometimes you just need to take the L and admit you were wrong bro. Its not that big of a deal. I've admitted I was wrong before like with the Celtics this year.

Regarding the Nets being "mediocre", I could care less. Were getting back KD next year and will have the most talent in the East. Meanwhile your Sixers are still built around two players who can't play together and will likely be broken up after this year.

Our position is far more desirable than yours.

You quoted the poster in validation and talked about the Sixers being “stuck”, it was clear what stance you were taking on that. I feel sorry that you believe you’re in a better position than us right now.

Also, I’ve made my position quite clear in multiple posts. Your role players this year are not built as supporting players for Kyrie (the way last years were for DLo). So yeah, in that sense I’m not blaming Kyrie. We know what he is at this point.