2021-22 Rookie Thread

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Who will be the three best rookies?

Cade Cunningham
130
14%
Jalen Green
148
16%
Evan Mobley
187
21%
Scottie Barnes
225
25%
Jalen Suggs
51
6%
Josh Giddey
82
9%
Jonathan Kuminga
6
1%
Trey Murphy
11
1%
James Bouknight
15
2%
Other
44
5%
 
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Post#361 » by DroseReturnChi » Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:13 am

Madhouse wrote:Mobley is already the best player on the Cavs. He's special.


this is why you dont overhype green. i knew there were better players than him although i never thought mobley could overtake in a yr given how raw he was. number 3 picks might turn out better i am going to be mad if he isnt an all star already best player on cavs. and insane given talent level.
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Post#362 » by MotownMadness » Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:39 am

everdiso wrote:Barnes 32.5min, 18.0pts (22.7usg%/57.1ts%), 1.7ast (2.3to), 10.0rb (4.3off), 0.4st/0.0bk, +13.8nrtg
Mobley 35.1min, 15.7pts (17.0usg%/63.0ts%), 3.0ast (1.7to), 8.3rb (1.0off), 1.3st/2.3bk, -9.3nrtg
Suggs 31.0min, 12.0pts (26.8usg%/34.3ts%), 4.5ast (2.5to), 4.0rb (2.0off), 1.5st/0.0bk, -11.5nrtg
Green 29.1min, 9.0pts (18.9usg%/36.0ts%), 3.0ast (1.0to), 3.5rb (0.0off), 1.5st/0.5bk, -17.8nrtg
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#363 » by MotownMadness » Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:41 am

Mobley was always playing like this more often then not even in college. He had some bad games in the tourney when people tried to watch him and got a bad rep.

He was always getting the Davis/Duncan type comps in the draft forum though all year.
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Post#364 » by Capn'O » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:11 am

AussieBuck wrote:I didn't follow the draft so I'm thinking if Mobley was #3, picks one and two must've been **** amazing.

I tuned into a **** Cavs game today, by choice! Kid is going to be an MVP.


How the **** does he know spacing and positioning so well already? He moves like the savviest of vets already.
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Post#365 » by CptCrunch » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:19 am

You know the smart money has always had Mobley #1.

The more casual you are, the more likely you'll love the media darling Cade and high flying Green.

Mobe > Suggs > Barnes are the top 3.
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Post#366 » by yoyoboy » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:22 am

Yeah, even though his body doesn’t resemble his, Mobley does have some very Duncan-esque tendencies in his games. His understanding of where to be on both ends is pretty advanced already. That’s partly why he’s been able to rack up points despite not being strong enough yet to get himself in advantageous scoring positions on offense consistently. I also love how he always tries to block balls inbounds, he uses verticality well, he doesn’t foul, he doesn’t try to force the issue, and he keeps the ball moving after he gets it. He’s no Jokic, but he’s a really impressive passer. It won’t be unlocked though until he becomes strong enough to be able to force double teams/overhelping.

Also, my biggest worry with him was his frame and physicality. If he was going to fail, I thought it would be because he wouldn’t be able to bang inside and he’d resort to staying on the outside and taking a lot of threes. And that his shot wouldn’t improve enough to compensate. So far though, it’s cool to see that even at his slender size he’s been surprisingly active inside and willing to mix it up on the boards and go at guys’ bodies. And his outside shot definitely has ways to go, but his FT stroke looks really clean and he’s been hitting them at decent 75% stroke since the start of preseason, so that gives me hope he’ll be a legit floor spacer with time.

It’s too early to make any definitive statements, but this is the most confident I’ve been about a Cavs pick since LeBron. And the only Cavs pick I didn’t hate on draft day since Kyrie. So it’s good to see some early results.
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Post#367 » by rapz101 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:25 am

CptCrunch wrote:You know the smart money has always had Mobley #1.

The more casual you are, the more likely you'll love the media darling Cade and high flying Green.

Mobe > Suggs > Barnes are the top 3.


No disrespect to Suggs but if you’re basing it off what he’s provided thus far theres like 4-5 rookies I’d rather have besides suggs, he’s further down this list until he breaks out a bit more.
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Post#368 » by basketballRob » Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:54 am

rapz101 wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:You know the smart money has always had Mobley #1.

The more casual you are, the more likely you'll love the media darling Cade and high flying Green.

Mobe > Suggs > Barnes are the top 3.


No disrespect to Suggs but if you’re basing it off what he’s provided thus far theres like 4-5 rookies I’d rather have besides suggs, he’s further down this list until he breaks out a bit more.
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Post#369 » by UcanUwill » Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:37 am

CptCrunch wrote:You know the smart money has always had Mobley #1.

The more casual you are, the more likely you'll love the media darling Cade and high flying Green.

Mobe > Suggs > Barnes are the top 3.


I knew nothing about Mobley, but that one guy on the Ringer, forgot his name, was very vocal that Mobley should clearly go number 1. Seems like a good take. Of course we havent seen Cade yet, but I am not sure if he looks like number 1 pick material to me.

Sadly, my boy Pangos, a veteran rookie so far is buried on the bench even with Garland out.
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Post#370 » by MotownMadness » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:00 am

UcanUwill wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:You know the smart money has always had Mobley #1.

The more casual you are, the more likely you'll love the media darling Cade and high flying Green.

Mobe > Suggs > Barnes are the top 3.


I knew nothing about Mobley, but that one guy on the Ringer, forgot his name, was very vocal that Mobley should clearly go number 1. Seems like a good take. Of course we havent seen Cade yet, but I am not sure if he looks like number 1 pick material to me.

Sadly, my boy Pangos, a veteran rookie so far is buried on the bench even with Garland out.

It's not like we didn't just watch them all play a season of college ball. Mobley is playing just like he did in college for the most part and hopefully so does Cade now.

Most people liked Cade and Mobley at the top and that's where they went. I was loving Mobley all year but Cade just showed what we really needed as that two-way/3-level go to scoring option in crunch time and hopefully he delivers.
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Post#371 » by The Moose » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:06 am

CptCrunch wrote:You know the smart money has always had Mobley #1.

The more casual you are, the more likely you'll love the media darling Cade and high flying Green.

Mobe > Suggs > Barnes are the top 3.


>thinks suggs is a top 2 prospect in this class
>thinks other people are casual

:lol:

Mobley and Cade were the prizes, and Barnes looks like a very nice consolation
Wagner is going to have a better career than Suggs
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Post#372 » by basketballRob » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:31 am

The Moose wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:You know the smart money has always had Mobley #1.

The more casual you are, the more likely you'll love the media darling Cade and high flying Green.

Mobe > Suggs > Barnes are the top 3.


>thinks suggs is a top 2 prospect in this class
>thinks other people are casual



Mobley and Cade were the prizes, and Barnes looks like a very nice consolation
Wagner is going to have a better career than Suggs
It's hard to make predictions like that after a couple games. Both Jamal Murray and Sabonis shot less than 40% and averaged less than 10 pts their rookie seasons.

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Post#373 » by HumbleRen » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:28 pm

Barnes has easily been the best player on the Raptors, I don’t know if that’s a good thing for us or a bad thing considering I was hoping we would be atleast a 7-8th seed team.

Then again, Siakam is out so I shouldn’t be too worried. Barnes is the truth. Can’t teach height !
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Post#374 » by The Moose » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:36 pm

basketballRob wrote:
The Moose wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:You know the smart money has always had Mobley #1.

The more casual you are, the more likely you'll love the media darling Cade and high flying Green.

Mobe > Suggs > Barnes are the top 3.


>thinks suggs is a top 2 prospect in this class
>thinks other people are casual



Mobley and Cade were the prizes, and Barnes looks like a very nice consolation
Wagner is going to have a better career than Suggs
It's hard to make predictions like that after a couple games. Both Jamal Murray and Sabonis shot less than 40% and averaged less than 10 pts their rookie seasons.

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thats fair, i would agree, its far too early, i'm mostly just joking, but my opinion is still based on what my personal big board looked like pre draft, I had Wagner higher than Suggs there
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Post#375 » by basketballRob » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:43 pm

The Moose wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
The Moose wrote:
>thinks suggs is a top 2 prospect in this class
>thinks other people are casual



Mobley and Cade were the prizes, and Barnes looks like a very nice consolation
Wagner is going to have a better career than Suggs
It's hard to make predictions like that after a couple games. Both Jamal Murray and Sabonis shot less than 40% and averaged less than 10 pts their rookie seasons.

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thats fair, i would agree, its far too early, i'm mostly just joking, but my opinion is still based on what my personal big board looked like pre draft, I had Wagner higher than Suggs there
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Good call on Wagner. He's surprisingly quick and seems to get by most players. If he hits a high percentage of threes, he'll be hard to stop.

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Post#376 » by oldshoolballer » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:10 pm


Yea he's old but has had an immediate impact for the Pacers.
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Post#377 » by Shy Gorgeous-Al » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:23 pm

Mobley is really amazing. The thing that jumps out most is his basketball iq.

Cavs couldn't have picked a better player for their franchise. He is also the least likely player to bolt because of his persona.
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Post#378 » by City of Trees » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:17 pm

brutalitops wrote:Davion Mitchell Isnt going to get much of a look, because of his shooting % is trash, but hes been playing some amazing defense from the word go
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Post#379 » by lobosloboslobos » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:38 pm

Scottie with 4.3 offensive boards per game is 2nd in the NBA. Doesn't look like a fluke either. He's got great timing, length and hustle. Just one of the many ways he impacts the game.
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Post#380 » by QingJames » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:02 pm

So impressed by Mobley. He's way further along than I thought he would be, and seems certain to be a top big man in the league in a few years.

Not sure what's up with Cade, but he better show something good when he gets back. I know he's an elite shooter but if he starts posting negative assist-to-turnover ratios again then it's going to look real bad that he got taken ahead of Mobley.
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