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Post#361 » by Jvaughn » Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:33 pm

Sharcm1 wrote:
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Sharcm1 wrote: People can get covid over and over so no lasting immunity therefore can’t build to the herd immunity level just like other cold viruses.


That's just straight up false.


No it’s not. Look it up. I know plenty of people who got it twice.


My wife and I have had it twice, so I don't know where that fallacy comes from.

In addition, it has been noted that not all people that get covid get antibodies. Studies show up to 36% do not develop antibodies. This is why doctors recommend that patients who recover from covid get vaccinated when they're able.
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Post#362 » by Liam_Gallagher » Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:53 pm

Jvaughn wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:
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That's just straight up false.


No it’s not. Look it up. I know plenty of people who got it twice.


My wife and I have had it twice, so I don't know where that fallacy comes from.

In addition, it has been noted that not all people that get covid get antibodies. Studies show up to 36% do not develop antibodies. This is why doctors recommend that patients who recover from covid get vaccinated when they're able.


There's no evidence of anyone catching and spreading Covid twice.

There was a freedom of information act request to force the CDC to give all documented cases of Covid recovered people who then went on to spread it after having already recovered.

They couldn't provide a single one. None were documented. They had to publicly admit it.
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Post#363 » by Johnny Bball » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:03 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:
No it’s not. Look it up. I know plenty of people who got it twice.


My wife and I have had it twice, so I don't know where that fallacy comes from.

In addition, it has been noted that not all people that get covid get antibodies. Studies show up to 36% do not develop antibodies. This is why doctors recommend that patients who recover from covid get vaccinated when they're able.


There's no evidence of anyone catching and spreading Covid twice.

There was a freedom of information act request to force the CDC to give all documented cases of Covid recovered people who then went on to spread it after having already recovered.

They couldn't provide a single one. None were documented. They have to publicly admit it.


Just stop.
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Post#364 » by Arteezy » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:09 pm

Is the booster reception that bad? I mean I can't see other reason to do all this drama
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Post#365 » by TheSniper007 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:18 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:
No it’s not. Look it up. I know plenty of people who got it twice.


My wife and I have had it twice, so I don't know where that fallacy comes from.

In addition, it has been noted that not all people that get covid get antibodies. Studies show up to 36% do not develop antibodies. This is why doctors recommend that patients who recover from covid get vaccinated when they're able.


There's no evidence of anyone catching and spreading Covid twice.

There was a freedom of information act request to force the CDC to give all documented cases of Covid recovered people who then went on to spread it after having already recovered.

They couldn't provide a single one. None were documented. They have to publicly admit it.


Stop spreading this junk, it's immature, dumb and a complete lie.
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Post#366 » by Jvaughn » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:26 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:
No it’s not. Look it up. I know plenty of people who got it twice.


My wife and I have had it twice, so I don't know where that fallacy comes from.

In addition, it has been noted that not all people that get covid get antibodies. Studies show up to 36% do not develop antibodies. This is why doctors recommend that patients who recover from covid get vaccinated when they're able.


There's no evidence of anyone catching and spreading Covid twice.

There was a freedom of information act request to force the CDC to give all documented cases of Covid recovered people who then went on to spread it after having already recovered.

They couldn't provide a single one. None were documented. They have to publicly admit it.


Please share that source, since as I stated already, my wife and I, as in me typing this right now, have had covid twice. And got hit just as hard the second time as I did the first time. Wouldn't wish that on anyone just for the chance at maybe getting antibodies.
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Post#367 » by Liam_Gallagher » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:50 pm

Jvaughn wrote:
Liam_Gallagher wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
My wife and I have had it twice, so I don't know where that fallacy comes from.

In addition, it has been noted that not all people that get covid get antibodies. Studies show up to 36% do not develop antibodies. This is why doctors recommend that patients who recover from covid get vaccinated when they're able.


There's no evidence of anyone catching and spreading Covid twice.

There was a freedom of information act request to force the CDC to give all documented cases of Covid recovered people who then went on to spread it after having already recovered.

They couldn't provide a single one. None were documented. They have to publicly admit it.


Please share that source, since as I stated already, my wife and I, as in me typing this right now, have had covid twice. And got hit just as hard the second time as I did the first time. Wouldn't wish that on anyone just for the chance at maybe getting antibodies.


It's an FOIA request. It's public record, but okay.
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Post#368 » by Jvaughn » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:58 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
Liam_Gallagher wrote:
There's no evidence of anyone catching and spreading Covid twice.

There was a freedom of information act request to force the CDC to give all documented cases of Covid recovered people who then went on to spread it after having already recovered.

They couldn't provide a single one. None were documented. They have to publicly admit it.


Please share that source, since as I stated already, my wife and I, as in me typing this right now, have had covid twice. And got hit just as hard the second time as I did the first time. Wouldn't wish that on anyone just for the chance at maybe getting antibodies.


It's an FOIA request. It's public record, but okay.


Cool. Please post it, because my multiple positive tests along with 3 weeks of near death sickness would beg to differ.
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Post#369 » by Liam_Gallagher » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:59 pm

ceiling raiser wrote:This is a really bad look for the league. Breakout cases do exist, but they are rare among those double vaccinated. My assumption is that teams didn't do their due diligence when confirming vaccination of players.

A two week pause might make sense, while mandating all players get boosters. After that point, when the season resumes, I think you rip the bandaid off. Only pull players out for positive tests. Not based on contacts/potential exposure.


The booster won't help. In fact, the vaccine is overall a moderate-risk, low-reward strategy.

FIFA has had a 500% increase in cardiac events since the vaccine came out amongst players and coaches.
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Post#370 » by Pointgod » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:59 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:
No it’s not. Look it up. I know plenty of people who got it twice.


My wife and I have had it twice, so I don't know where that fallacy comes from.

In addition, it has been noted that not all people that get covid get antibodies. Studies show up to 36% do not develop antibodies. This is why doctors recommend that patients who recover from covid get vaccinated when they're able.


There's no evidence of anyone catching and spreading Covid twice.

There was a freedom of information act request to force the CDC to give all documented cases of Covid recovered people who then went on to spread it after having already recovered.

They couldn't provide a single one. None were documented. They have to publicly admit it.


It took one Google search to disprove your argument. We’re still waiting for a reputable study that proves people who have natural immunity haven’t been reinfected and spread it to other people.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know

A study published in August 2021 indicates that if you had COVID-19 before and are not vaccinated, your risk of getting re-infected is more than two times higher than for those who got vaccinated after having COVID-19.


Another study published on Nov. 5, 2021, by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) looked at adults hospitalized for COVID-like sickness between January and September 2021. This study found that the chances of these adults testing positive for COVID-19 were 5.49 times higher in unvaccinated people who had COVID-19 in the past than they were for those who had been vaccinated for COVID and had not had an infection before.


A study from the CDC in September 2021 showed that roughly one-third of those with COVID-19 cases in the study had no apparent natural immunity.


Delta variant and future coronavirus variants: Hospitalizations of people with severe COVID-19 soared over the late summer and into fall as the delta variant moved across the country. People infected with earlier versions of the coronavirus and who haven’t been vaccinated might be more vulnerable to new mutations of the coronavirus such as those found in the delta variant. To date, the authorized vaccines provide protection from serious disease or death due to all currently circulating coronavirus variants.


Even if your own infection is mild, you can spread it to others who may have severe illness and death.
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Post#371 » by Cartuse » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:19 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Liam_Gallagher wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
My wife and I have had it twice, so I don't know where that fallacy comes from.

In addition, it has been noted that not all people that get covid get antibodies. Studies show up to 36% do not develop antibodies. This is why doctors recommend that patients who recover from covid get vaccinated when they're able.


There's no evidence of anyone catching and spreading Covid twice.

There was a freedom of information act request to force the CDC to give all documented cases of Covid recovered people who then went on to spread it after having already recovered.

They couldn't provide a single one. None were documented. They have to publicly admit it.

Pointgod wrote:It took one Google search to disprove your argument. We’re still waiting for a reputable study that proves people who have natural immunity haven’t been reinfected and spread it to other people.


Damn I guess the CDC should've done some Google searches then!
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Post#372 » by Liam_Gallagher » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:32 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Liam_Gallagher wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
My wife and I have had it twice, so I don't know where that fallacy comes from.

In addition, it has been noted that not all people that get covid get antibodies. Studies show up to 36% do not develop antibodies. This is why doctors recommend that patients who recover from covid get vaccinated when they're able.


There's no evidence of anyone catching and spreading Covid twice.

There was a freedom of information act request to force the CDC to give all documented cases of Covid recovered people who then went on to spread it after having already recovered.

They couldn't provide a single one. None were documented. They have to publicly admit it.


It took one Google search to disprove your argument. We’re still waiting for a reputable study that proves people who have natural immunity haven’t been reinfected and spread it to other people.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know

A study published in August 2021 indicates that if you had COVID-19 before and are not vaccinated, your risk of getting re-infected is more than two times higher than for those who got vaccinated after having COVID-19.


Another study published on Nov. 5, 2021, by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) looked at adults hospitalized for COVID-like sickness between January and September 2021. This study found that the chances of these adults testing positive for COVID-19 were 5.49 times higher in unvaccinated people who had COVID-19 in the past than they were for those who had been vaccinated for COVID and had not had an infection before.


A study from the CDC in September 2021 showed that roughly one-third of those with COVID-19 cases in the study had no apparent natural immunity.


Delta variant and future coronavirus variants: Hospitalizations of people with severe COVID-19 soared over the late summer and into fall as the delta variant moved across the country. People infected with earlier versions of the coronavirus and who haven’t been vaccinated might be more vulnerable to new mutations of the coronavirus such as those found in the delta variant. To date, the authorized vaccines provide protection from serious disease or death due to all currently circulating coronavirus variants.


Even if your own infection is mild, you can spread it to others who may have severe illness and death.


Firstly, it's saying vaccinated and had covid vs. just had covid.

Secondly, that doesn't mean they had it twice. The test can’t differentiate between flu and covid and lots of other reasons why. You can get false positive. People who've had the vax and covid are less likely to go for a test. That's gonna skew the numbers. That's the problem with "cases." To actually demonstrate reinfection you'd need to sequence the person both times and confirm it's a covid sequence.

There aren't any documented cases in the world that have done that and shown 2 reinfections.

Also there's no documented cases of a Covid recovered person infecting someone after recovery. Again, it was a CDC admission. Don't have it on hand and I'm not looking for it.
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Post#373 » by Lunartic » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:48 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Liam_Gallagher wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
My wife and I have had it twice, so I don't know where that fallacy comes from.

In addition, it has been noted that not all people that get covid get antibodies. Studies show up to 36% do not develop antibodies. This is why doctors recommend that patients who recover from covid get vaccinated when they're able.


There's no evidence of anyone catching and spreading Covid twice.

There was a freedom of information act request to force the CDC to give all documented cases of Covid recovered people who then went on to spread it after having already recovered.

They couldn't provide a single one. None were documented. They have to publicly admit it.


It took one Google search to disprove your argument. We’re still waiting for a reputable study that proves people who have natural immunity haven’t been reinfected and spread it to other people.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know

A study published in August 2021 indicates that if you had COVID-19 before and are not vaccinated, your risk of getting re-infected is more than two times higher than for those who got vaccinated after having COVID-19.


Another study published on Nov. 5, 2021, by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) looked at adults hospitalized for COVID-like sickness between January and September 2021. This study found that the chances of these adults testing positive for COVID-19 were 5.49 times higher in unvaccinated people who had COVID-19 in the past than they were for those who had been vaccinated for COVID and had not had an infection before.


A study from the CDC in September 2021 showed that roughly one-third of those with COVID-19 cases in the study had no apparent natural immunity.


Delta variant and future coronavirus variants: Hospitalizations of people with severe COVID-19 soared over the late summer and into fall as the delta variant moved across the country. People infected with earlier versions of the coronavirus and who haven’t been vaccinated might be more vulnerable to new mutations of the coronavirus such as those found in the delta variant. To date, the authorized vaccines provide protection from serious disease or death due to all currently circulating coronavirus variants.


Even if your own infection is mild, you can spread it to others who may have severe illness and death.



This isn't saying what you think it is. Notice the bolded? Guess what else is "covid-like"? The flu or another coronavirus aka cold. Humans get sick and people with poor immune systems get sick more often.

The CDC did actually acknowledge they haven't detected any cases in which someone had a provable case of covid and then were infected with another provable case of covid. The FOIA request he's referring to is publicly available.

https://www.swfinstitute.org/news/89518/foia-cdc-admits-no-record-of-unvaccinated-person-spreading-covid-after-recovering-from-covid

I don't think "never" is a scientific term so I won't say it can never happen but it's so radically unlikely and the false-positives from pcr testing is much more likely, some studies indicated that false positives can make up anywhere from 1-15% of cases. It's very possible someone just has the flu (which magically disappeared last year) took a pcr test, got a false positive and was under the impression they had covid again.

Mods this isn't off-topic or political, this is the science and how it informs the current NBA situation, specifically with players that have already had covid and recovered - but if you prefer we don't discuss this at this level , please quote and just a reminder would be appreciated.
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Post#375 » by khufure » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:49 pm

Liam_Gallagher wrote:
ceiling raiser wrote:This is a really bad look for the league. Breakout cases do exist, but they are rare among those double vaccinated. My assumption is that teams didn't do their due diligence when confirming vaccination of players.

A two week pause might make sense, while mandating all players get boosters. After that point, when the season resumes, I think you rip the bandaid off. Only pull players out for positive tests. Not based on contacts/potential exposure.


The booster won't help. In fact, the vaccine is overall a moderate-risk, low-reward strategy.
...

That is just incorrect. In a case of South Africa's largest health provider RE: the new dominant strain Omicron it has been proven now even in this highly mutated variant having a large amount of antibodies at least mitigates the effect. For most people it will greatly help:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/12/14/1063947940/vaccine-protection-vs-omicron-infection-may-drop-to-30-but-does-cut-severe-disea

Get your booster ASAP.
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Post#376 » by Liam_Gallagher » Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:04 pm

khufure wrote:
Liam_Gallagher wrote:
ceiling raiser wrote:This is a really bad look for the league. Breakout cases do exist, but they are rare among those double vaccinated. My assumption is that teams didn't do their due diligence when confirming vaccination of players.

A two week pause might make sense, while mandating all players get boosters. After that point, when the season resumes, I think you rip the bandaid off. Only pull players out for positive tests. Not based on contacts/potential exposure.


The booster won't help. In fact, the vaccine is overall a moderate-risk, low-reward strategy.
...

That is just incorrect. In a case of South Africa's largest health provider RE: the new dominant strain Omicron it has been proven now even in this highly mutated variant having a large amount of antibodies at least mitigates the effect. For most people it will greatly help:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/12/14/1063947940/vaccine-protection-vs-omicron-infection-may-drop-to-30-but-does-cut-severe-disea

Get your booster ASAP.


What severe disease?

The WHO has stated that there has not been one omicron death globally.

Not one country has reported a case.

Zero.
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Post#377 » by Trey24 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:10 pm

There comes a day when the league needs to ask themselves, "why are we being so safe, and yet it is still spreading"? And then realize that MANDATING vaccinations that to this point have proven to be ineffective at controlling the spread, is WRONG. And then realize that they should not subject their young athletes to mandates for a vaccine that is more risky to take for their age group than Covid is to get.
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We have a new thread stickied at the top for COVID protocol discussion. Please follow the reminder in the OP.

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