2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.2)

deneem4 · Post #361 » by **deneem4** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:59 am

In no order at all

Giannas
Jokic
Embiid
Derozan

Curry
Ja
Kd

yannisk · Post #362 » by **yannisk** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:39 pm

After yesterday's game Giannis is the top scorer, his PER is almost the same as Jokic's (32.60 vs 32.63), he is one of the leading candidates for DPOY.

The only thing that holds him back is that his team record is not that great. Bucks are 3rd in the east. Still Sixers are 5th and Nuggets 6th

Packbuckman · Post #363 » by **Packbuckman** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:40 pm

Giannis now leads the league in scoring at 29.4 and his PER is equal to Jokic plus his defense has been great. Watching the bucks this year without him is like nite and day he made a G league player look good last nite.

Giannis
Jokic
Embiid

In that order

mediocrityrules · Post #364 » by **mediocrityrules** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:53 pm

And in one game it'll all change again. It's all too close to call and will be for a while yet.

Joshyjess · Post #365 » by **Joshyjess** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 1:01 pm

Someone says "Embiid" - and Al Horford starts cracking up and asks "Seriously, who is the MVP?"

DutchManDanFan · Post #366 » by **DutchManDanFan** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 2:23 pm

If anyone had doubts about who has the worst bench...:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/22/7/diffeff/1-1

Infinite Llamas · Post #367 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:22 pm

The issue with Giannis is consistency. He can dominate teams like Indiana and the Lakers and then against teams with better frontcourt personnel like Miami, Atlanta, Boston, Phoenix, Cleveland, Toronto…his numbers look a lot more pedestrian. In essence, his numbers against elite teams are not quite as gaudy. For whatever that is worth.

NirvanaFC · Post #368 » by **NirvanaFC** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:40 pm

Infinite Llamas wrote:The issue with Giannis is consistency. He can dominate teams like Indiana and the Lakers and then against teams with better frontcourt personnel like Miami, Atlanta, Boston, Phoenix, Cleveland, Toronto…his numbers look a lot more pedestrian. In essence, his numbers against elite teams are not quite as gaudy. For whatever that is worth.

I thought this was the narrative for Embiid... can someone back up with some numbers?

Infinite Llamas · Post #369 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:53 pm

NirvanaFC wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:The issue with Giannis is consistency. He can dominate teams like Indiana and the Lakers and then against teams with better frontcourt personnel like Miami, Atlanta, Boston, Phoenix, Cleveland, Toronto…his numbers look a lot more pedestrian. In essence, his numbers against elite teams are not quite as gaudy. For whatever that is worth.

I thought this was the narrative for Embiid... can someone back up with some numbers?

It’s rudimentary but Giannis has 15 games with a sub-20 game score. 2 are against Cleveland. 2 are against Atlanta. 2 are against Miami. One is against Boston. One is against Phoenix.

Meanwhile his top 15 game scores, only five of the teams have a winning record with one against a Draymond-less Golden State, one against Boston, one against Minnesota and two against the barely .500 Hornets.

As I said, if he played the hapless Lakers every night he would be MVP hands down.

Crives · Post #370 » by **Crives** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:06 pm

Read on Twitter

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dukes_wild · Post #371 » by **dukes_wild** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:10 pm

Embiid and Jokic are def 1/2

Their teams would be bottom 3 in their respective conferences if not for them.

Oscar9992 · Post #372 » by **Oscar9992** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:23 pm

dukes_wild wrote:Embiid and Jokic are def 1/2

Their teams would be bottom 3 in their respective conferences if not for them.

They have better roster than Mavs.

Blaze4G · Post #373 » by **Blaze4G** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:37 pm

DutchManDanFan wrote:If anyone had doubts about who has the worst bench...:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/22/7/diffeff/1-1

worst bench but best starting 5 compared to Sixers and nuggets. IMO I would take Jrue, Middleton and Portis before I take anybody else on the other teams.

I love Giannis and wouldn't mind he wins MVP, just trying to be objective.

Blaze4G · Post #374 » by **Blaze4G** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:39 pm

Oscar9992 wrote:
dukes_wild wrote:Embiid and Jokic are def 1/2

Their teams would be bottom 3 in their respective conferences if not for them.

They have better roster than Mavs.

Luka is getting over looked. Mavs roster has been garbage the past few years...or maybe its me underrating mavericks other players.

Crives · Post #375 » by **Crives** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:18 pm

This is why Booker and CP3 should be above Jokic and Embiid right now.

Read on Twitter

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kazyv · Post #376 » by **kazyv** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:24 pm

Crives wrote:This is why Booker and CP3 should be above Jokic and Embiid right now.

Read on Twitter
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because having two stars is better than having one? whoa, you might be on to something there. that's a revolutionary concept.

Infinite Llamas · Post #377 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:45 pm

Crives wrote:This is why Booker and CP3 should be above Jokic and Embiid right now.

Read on Twitter
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The Suns are staaaacked. What’s the point here?

Dutchball97 · Post #378 » by **Dutchball97** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:45 pm

Crives wrote:This is why Booker and CP3 should be above Jokic and Embiid right now.

Read on Twitter
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Record matters but this must be the first time I've seen someone put forward team stats to argue not one but two players on that team should be frontrunners for an individual award, while neither is remotely close to the conversation of the best player in the league. If there are 76ers fans reading this, sorry, looks like you're not the biggest homers after all.

KGtabake · Post #379 » by **KGtabake** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:46 pm

I see that Giannis is causing panic again on his dedicated doubters.
I get it. There's a real danger of him winning everything. Again. :lol:

Where is gooner btw? Any news of him after Giannis ring?
Is the guy ok? Has anyone checked? :lol:

Giannis is the leading DPOY candidate. Again.
Aside from being the leading scorer in the league. For the first time.
If he wins both, when has this ever happened? Only MJ? Right? Proper company.

Now imagine that every year of his prime he will be a top3 candidate (if not favourite) in both MVP and DPOY. Only him, MJ and Hakeem have pulled it once.
Only him, will do it multiple times.

There are levels.
And there's Giannis.

eyeatoma · Post #380 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:33 pm

Joshyjess wrote:Someone says "Embiid" - and Al Horford starts cracking up and asks "Seriously, who is the MVP?"

You've been waiting the whole season to post that eh? He's been dominant for the last 2 months, and he has 1 bad game, and it's like, yo, Horford has his number.

The celtics were complete ass a month ago.

Who will win the MVP for the 2021-22 NBA regular season?