Ballerhogger wrote:?s=20&t=o-W9nwnRFInAYhtYhEESlQ
That sounds like the opposite of heating up... Sixers took Matisse off the table, No?
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Ballerhogger wrote:?s=20&t=o-W9nwnRFInAYhtYhEESlQ
Kilroy wrote:Ballerhogger wrote:?s=20&t=o-W9nwnRFInAYhtYhEESlQ
That sounds like the opposite of heating up... Sixers took Matisse off the table, No?
Ballerhogger wrote:?s=20&t=o-W9nwnRFInAYhtYhEESlQ
anotherhomer wrote:Kilroy wrote:Ballerhogger wrote:?s=20&t=o-W9nwnRFInAYhtYhEESlQ
That sounds like the opposite of heating up... Sixers took Matisse off the table, No?
The return for Nets....
they trade Lavert ( converted to FRP and one SRP)
traded Jarret Allen (equals one FR)
3 unprotected FRPs
4 swaps
for James harden --> Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Thibulle......
essentially they traded 5 FRPs, 1 SRP, for Ben Simmons (who refuse to shoot), Curry...that's quite an underwhelming return
art_tatum wrote:I wouldn’t trade for Simmons. Make harden play this year go for a ring and he can go in the off season.
DrModesty wrote:bebopdeluxe wrote:DrModesty wrote:
A few things worth noting here.
First regarding the salary floor. OKC does not need to meet it, if they fail to reach it they will just pay money to their currently signed players until they reach it. Giving their own players more money would in fact be preferable, especially in the case of a guy like Lu Dort who is underpaid or the second round/unlikely to get a second contract guys.It is good for team morale and chemistry.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2787871-how-nba-free-agency-salary-cap-work
"It hasn't stopped teams from "tanking" to improve their odds of winning the draft lottery, but, yes, there is a salary floor. It is 90 percent of the salary cap, which equates to $91.682 million for the upcoming season.
If a team's salary is below that mark at the time of the final game of the regular season, it is required to distribute additional money to the players on the roster until it has actually spent the 90 percent. However, the team is not allowed to use this as a workaround to pay a player more than the league maximum for his stature."
Second, the 76s pick currently owed to OKC in 2025 is only protected 1-6. Unprotecting this pick is actually not huge value, even as highly regarded as unprotected picks are. Embiid should 'likely' still be in his prime, Maxey will be in his prime, Harden is likely to at least be an nba level player still and Morey will have had time to add additional role players in that time. Even assuming a near worst case scenario of Injured Embiid and washed Harden, if the pick is unprotected with Maxey and role players on the team and ZERO incentive to tank that pick is unlikely to be any better than 6th anyway. Especially since every year their are teams intending on tanking. OKC are going through this exact situation right now with the Clippers who, while having 2 major stars out with significant injury, are still only at the edge or outside of the lottery.
Third, OKC has many first round picks this year already. A mid 20s pick holds little value, even if put together as a part of a package with other picks to move up because other teams like Memphis can do the same thing. They can't use all of these picks and any other pick between now and the 2025 first already owed would be expected to be late 20s also if they are in effect facilitating a Harden trade.
Fourth, OKC needs to tank this year. Tobias Harris could easily turn this years pick from 3rd or 4th pick in to the 6th or 7th pick. Internal improvement, other teams tanking and organizational competence makes getting extremely high picks in the future unlikely.
Fifth, Presti knows that Morey's leverage is currently reliant on him which in turn gives him his own leverage. Historically Presti has gotten slam dunk value out of these situations. See the PG13 trade, also the Russ CP3 trade.
I would expect if OKC were to take on Harris before the deadline it would be something like unprotect the 2025 pick, OKC get 76ers 2022 1st, 76ers take back Favors and OKC receive Thybulle, maybe OKC would want even more than this. Alternatively OKC take Harris and Maxey from 76ers and give them back their 2025 1st. I'd be surprised if Morey was willing to do either of these though, especially given it was Presti who made Morey look bad with the Russ CP3 trade.
We will see what happens. I am no salary cap guru, and I have no inside intel about the options that the Sixers have to move Harris. I do believe, however, that if Morey wants to move Harris to clear the way to sign Harden outright this summer, he could do it. I think the bigger issue is what will happen to the Nets if Harden is still on the roster at 3:01PM on Thursday. If the reporting is accurate and Harden wants out - either now or this summer - and he is still there, it will be hard, in my opinion, to put the toothpaste back in the tube. They not only run the risk of losing Harden this summer, but having a daily dumpster fire/soap opera as Harden plays more games like he did in Sacramento.
While it is true that the Sixers would be punting on the season if they trade Harris, I would think they will be in a better place in October than the Nets will be...if, again, it is true that Harden wants out. Neither you or I know what Harden REALLY thinks, but I am sure that the Nets and SIxers know...and I think that if Harden really IS happy in Brooklyn, the Sixers would have traded Simmons by now.
I think it is worth remembering that the peripheral parties couldn't give a damn about the fortunes of the 76ers, the Nets or James Harden
I agree that Morey can move Harris for cap space and think that he could do it either before the deadline or in the offseason. Ultimately though someone is gouging value out of Philly. Either the Nets get a very high value return on a trade before deadline/sign and trade in off season OR third party teams get major value in taking on assets for Harris AND/OR third party teams pick up Simmons for pennies on the dollar.
Morey can force leverage on to the Nets but has to expose himself to others to do so given so few teams have cap space. It is just a case of picking the best path for him and the 76ers.
The Nets are fine as long as third party teams don't wilt to Morey and they have no reason to. Harris is a deeply negative contract to every team capable of taking him on. The only one who might be willing to take on Harris for a slightly lesser package of assets are the Spurs because they don't seem to want to tank while Pop is there.
dWadeOwnzYou wrote:How hard is it for the Nets to keep Harden for one last attempt for a championship? Just don't do the trade!
anotherhomer wrote:Kilroy wrote:Ballerhogger wrote:?s=20&t=o-W9nwnRFInAYhtYhEESlQ
That sounds like the opposite of heating up... Sixers took Matisse off the table, No?
The return for Nets....
they trade Lavert ( converted to FRP and one SRP)
traded Jarret Allen (equals one FR)
3 unprotected FRPs
4 swaps
for James harden --> Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Thibulle......
essentially they traded 5 FRPs, 1 SRP, for Ben Simmons (who refuse to shoot), Curry...that's quite an underwhelming return
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Hello Brooklyn wrote:Arsenal wrote:Hello Brooklyn wrote:Sixers have to make it worth it.
They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.
Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.
Maxey and Thybulle are off the table.
Ben + Curry or Green is the likely deal.
Life is full of disappointments.
Then good luck wasting another year of Embiid's prime.
I'm fine waiting till the off season to sign and trade Harden. There is no incentive to move now.