James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphiia; Won’t Formally Demand Trade Due To Public Backlash

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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#361 » by Kilroy » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:11 pm

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That sounds like the opposite of heating up... Sixers took Matisse off the table, No?
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#362 » by art_tatum » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:13 pm

All cause James baby harden didn’t get voted all star starter. IMO he is thinking of his brand more than basketball
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#363 » by anotherhomer » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:16 pm

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That sounds like the opposite of heating up... Sixers took Matisse off the table, No?


The return for Nets....
they trade Lavert ( converted to FRP and one SRP)
traded Jarret Allen (equals one FR)
3 unprotected FRPs
4 swaps

for James harden --> Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Thibulle......

essentially they traded 5 FRPs, 1 SRP, for Ben Simmons (who refuse to shoot), Curry...that's quite an underwhelming return
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#364 » by Gramercy Riffs » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:20 pm

I would do this if I was Morey. I was always confused about Curry being the sticking point. He's a good shooter that's somewhat redundant on the Nets with Patty being very similar which is why I didn't understand why Marks wanted him so bad. But if he's willing to send Patty in return then get it done. I consider the Curry for Patty swap somewhat of a lateral move so if it means that much to Marks then Morey should agree to it.

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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#365 » by kuclas » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:22 pm

anotherhomer wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:
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That sounds like the opposite of heating up... Sixers took Matisse off the table, No?


The return for Nets....
they trade Lavert ( converted to FRP and one SRP)
traded Jarret Allen (equals one FR)
3 unprotected FRPs
4 swaps

for James harden --> Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Thibulle......

essentially they traded 5 FRPs, 1 SRP, for Ben Simmons (who refuse to shoot), Curry...that's quite an underwhelming return

Considering Minnesota offered mutiple first round picks plus role players for Simmons as long as they kept KAT and ant man

That’s sound about right for Simmons value 3 first round picks plus pick swaps and role
Players.
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#366 » by art_tatum » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:26 pm

I wouldn’t trade for Simmons. Make harden play this year go for a ring and he can go in the off season.
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#367 » by ryan in Maine » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:27 pm

If he goes to Philly will Black Thought let him keep "The Beard" moniker?
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#368 » by whatisacenter » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:30 pm

art_tatum wrote:I wouldn’t trade for Simmons. Make harden play this year go for a ring and he can go in the off season.


I don't blame you. Getting Simmons in NY after not playing for so long seems like throwing the season away. I can see how it might make sense for Philly if they don't have to give up too much but I don't really like this trade for either team. I wouldn't want to be the GM who gives Harden his next contract.
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#369 » by J_T » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:32 pm

I'm curious what Harden thinks about his chances to win this season, if that trade goes through. Does he believe that his chances would be better with Philly or Nets?
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#370 » by dWadeOwnzYou » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:34 pm

How hard is it for the Nets to keep Harden for one last attempt for a championship? Just don't do the trade!
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#371 » by Hoop Heavy » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:38 pm

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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#372 » by G R E Y » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:41 pm

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A few things worth noting here.

First regarding the salary floor. OKC does not need to meet it, if they fail to reach it they will just pay money to their currently signed players until they reach it. Giving their own players more money would in fact be preferable, especially in the case of a guy like Lu Dort who is underpaid or the second round/unlikely to get a second contract guys.It is good for team morale and chemistry.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2787871-how-nba-free-agency-salary-cap-work

"It hasn't stopped teams from "tanking" to improve their odds of winning the draft lottery, but, yes, there is a salary floor. It is 90 percent of the salary cap, which equates to $91.682 million for the upcoming season.

If a team's salary is below that mark at the time of the final game of the regular season, it is required to distribute additional money to the players on the roster until it has actually spent the 90 percent. However, the team is not allowed to use this as a workaround to pay a player more than the league maximum for his stature."


Second, the 76s pick currently owed to OKC in 2025 is only protected 1-6. Unprotecting this pick is actually not huge value, even as highly regarded as unprotected picks are. Embiid should 'likely' still be in his prime, Maxey will be in his prime, Harden is likely to at least be an nba level player still and Morey will have had time to add additional role players in that time. Even assuming a near worst case scenario of Injured Embiid and washed Harden, if the pick is unprotected with Maxey and role players on the team and ZERO incentive to tank that pick is unlikely to be any better than 6th anyway. Especially since every year their are teams intending on tanking. OKC are going through this exact situation right now with the Clippers who, while having 2 major stars out with significant injury, are still only at the edge or outside of the lottery.

Third, OKC has many first round picks this year already. A mid 20s pick holds little value, even if put together as a part of a package with other picks to move up because other teams like Memphis can do the same thing. They can't use all of these picks and any other pick between now and the 2025 first already owed would be expected to be late 20s also if they are in effect facilitating a Harden trade.

Fourth, OKC needs to tank this year. Tobias Harris could easily turn this years pick from 3rd or 4th pick in to the 6th or 7th pick. Internal improvement, other teams tanking and organizational competence makes getting extremely high picks in the future unlikely.

Fifth, Presti knows that Morey's leverage is currently reliant on him which in turn gives him his own leverage. Historically Presti has gotten slam dunk value out of these situations. See the PG13 trade, also the Russ CP3 trade.

I would expect if OKC were to take on Harris before the deadline it would be something like unprotect the 2025 pick, OKC get 76ers 2022 1st, 76ers take back Favors and OKC receive Thybulle, maybe OKC would want even more than this. Alternatively OKC take Harris and Maxey from 76ers and give them back their 2025 1st. I'd be surprised if Morey was willing to do either of these though, especially given it was Presti who made Morey look bad with the Russ CP3 trade.


We will see what happens. I am no salary cap guru, and I have no inside intel about the options that the Sixers have to move Harris. I do believe, however, that if Morey wants to move Harris to clear the way to sign Harden outright this summer, he could do it. I think the bigger issue is what will happen to the Nets if Harden is still on the roster at 3:01PM on Thursday. If the reporting is accurate and Harden wants out - either now or this summer - and he is still there, it will be hard, in my opinion, to put the toothpaste back in the tube. They not only run the risk of losing Harden this summer, but having a daily dumpster fire/soap opera as Harden plays more games like he did in Sacramento.

While it is true that the Sixers would be punting on the season if they trade Harris, I would think they will be in a better place in October than the Nets will be...if, again, it is true that Harden wants out. Neither you or I know what Harden REALLY thinks, but I am sure that the Nets and SIxers know...and I think that if Harden really IS happy in Brooklyn, the Sixers would have traded Simmons by now.


I think it is worth remembering that the peripheral parties couldn't give a damn about the fortunes of the 76ers, the Nets or James Harden

I agree that Morey can move Harris for cap space and think that he could do it either before the deadline or in the offseason. Ultimately though someone is gouging value out of Philly. Either the Nets get a very high value return on a trade before deadline/sign and trade in off season OR third party teams get major value in taking on assets for Harris AND/OR third party teams pick up Simmons for pennies on the dollar.

Morey can force leverage on to the Nets but has to expose himself to others to do so given so few teams have cap space. It is just a case of picking the best path for him and the 76ers.

The Nets are fine as long as third party teams don't wilt to Morey and they have no reason to. Harris is a deeply negative contract to every team capable of taking him on. The only one who might be willing to take on Harris for a slightly lesser package of assets are the Spurs because they don't seem to want to tank while Pop is there.

Again, I know people don't watch us or pay much attention, but we are about four months into year one of a rebuild. We JUST cleared a ton of cap space and parted with four vets to give the young guys development playing time. We're also continuing with cap clearing mode. Why would we acquire Harris for his contract when O isn't our problem, when his contract is prohibitive into next season's FA/RFA agency, when his very presence takes away from development time of our young guys?

I mean, there may be a great prospect we have our eyes on that may be included or 76ers could get and reroute some quality picks, but we're 12th in the West and Harris would likely impact this season's pick of our own. Just doesn't seem to work without some as yet unknown exceptional assets coming back.

The point is it's not about oh no we can't tank with Pop. That isn't our MO. We're rebuilding both with play on court and cap and asset acquisition so the focus isn't what is assumed.
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#373 » by LivingLegend » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:42 pm

Fast forward to 2024

"James Harden is Demanding to be Traded to Cleveland"
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#374 » by Gramercy Riffs » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:44 pm

Health and vaccination status permitting, a rotation of:

Kyrie/Curry
Harris/Cam
KD/Thybulle
Simmons/Johnson
Drummond/BG/Aldridge

looks pretty competitive. Make it happen!
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#375 » by LivingLegend » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:44 pm

dWadeOwnzYou wrote:How hard is it for the Nets to keep Harden for one last attempt for a championship? Just don't do the trade!


He is quite literally the only athlete Ive ever seen that not only demands trades--but gives the exact team he wants to be traded to.

Harden is that meme of the grim reaper going door to door down a hallway killing teams every year.
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#376 » by Pointgod » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:49 pm

anotherhomer wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:
Read on Twitter
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That sounds like the opposite of heating up... Sixers took Matisse off the table, No?


The return for Nets....
they trade Lavert ( converted to FRP and one SRP)
traded Jarret Allen (equals one FR)
3 unprotected FRPs
4 swaps

for James harden --> Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Thibulle......

essentially they traded 5 FRPs, 1 SRP, for Ben Simmons (who refuse to shoot), Curry...that's quite an underwhelming return


And the thing is the Sixers don’t even want to do this trade! They actually believe Simmons and Green is enough value. Imagine selling your fan base on that trade for Ben Simmons.

And the funniest thing is that Sixers fans are like Morey’s insane trade demands are reasonable, but all the Nets are asking for here is Thybulle, Curry and Drummond lol, not even an additional first yet that’s too much. Sixers don’t want to trade Simmons for garbage but the believe Morey should be allowed to rip off every team in a trade.
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#377 » by FNQ » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:49 pm

I can’t remember a star player getting traded so much before. This would be his 3rd trade, if and when it happens, before he’s 32 :o

That said if Morey gets Harden for only a little more than Simmons, that’s about the best outcome he could have hoped for during the standoff
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#378 » by rilamann » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:50 pm

As a Bucks fan, Philly would scare me a lot less if they gave up some of their quality depth for an aging, injury prone playoff choker in Harden.
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Re: [Pompey]: James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphia 

Post#379 » by DroseReturnChi » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:50 pm

philly has full leverage. i wouldnt add a dime other than simmons.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#380 » by JAYZGOAT » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:51 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
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Hello Brooklyn wrote:Sixers have to make it worth it.

They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.

Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.


Maxey and Thybulle are off the table.

Ben + Curry or Green is the likely deal.

Life is full of disappointments.


Then good luck wasting another year of Embiid's prime.

I'm fine waiting till the off season to sign and trade Harden. There is no incentive to move now.


Durant's prime is ticking too buddy. And it's ticking faster than Embiid's.

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