2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 6) - with ROY poll

[LoveMyRaps]

What's the best player comparison for Scottie? Giannis Lite/Lamar Odom?

Mike Schmitz has always compared him to Giannis.

[Duffman100]

What's the best player comparison for Scottie? Giannis Lite/Lamar Odom?

He’s not as physically imposing as giannis nor as smooth as Odom.

But showing a post game early on that neither has/had.

[MotownMadness]

My goodness Scottie Barnes!!!

[MotownMadness]

It will be interesting to look back on this one in like 5 years. There will be other guys we never talk about who turn out as well.

[ForeverTFC]

Move over Pippen, we got a new Scottie in town!

Seriously though, he reminds me a lot of Pippen. Can't wait to see what he can do as a full-time first or second option.

I don't think he'll ever be a first option. He's very similar to CP3 in how CP will always look to facilitate first and refuses to take over as a scorer even when the situation says he should. But he can definitely be the best player on the team.

I still don't understand how he gets his points so easily. His handle is ok but ton of holes in it still. He is big but neither out of this world tall nor uber-athletic. And the shooting flaws that everyone talked about with him are front and center - he can't really shoot.

He has a grown man game at 20 which allows him to bully everyone in the paint. And the Raps love crashing the offensive board which works to his advantage. But above all, as folks have pointed out, he's just wise beyond his years. Never understood the Giannis comparisons tbh - Scottie feels like the strength and brains of Lebron, the mindset of a Draymond/CP3 to some degree, with the athleticism of Boris Diaw.

[Madhouse]

It will be interesting to look back on this one in like 5 years. There will be other guys we never talk about who turn out as well.

Isaiah Jackson....

[djsunyc]

someone said this at some point but i think his impact on the team will ultimately be jokic-esque.

[Jabroni Lames]

Cavs have been sliding a bit without Jarrett Allen, so that's got to hurt Mobley's chances. Not saying Mobley is 'being exposed', but his ROY narrative was partially built on winning impact.

[TheLand13]

Evan Mobley's production since Jarrett Allen went down with injury needs to be discussed...

It's only been four games so far, so the sample size is small, but it's noteworthy. In that span, Mobley is putting up the following averages:

19.5 PPG on 55% FG
12 RPG
3 APG
1.75 SPG
1.75 BPG

This is on top of still playing elite defense. If these were his averages for the entire season, he'd be the overwhelming favorite to win ROY with no one even calling it into question. Jarrett Allen is instrumental to Cleveland's success, and I personally do not think they will hold their 6th spot now that he's gone with injury. But it's opening the door for Mobley to showcase that he is also capable of being a very good second option, as well as a walking double double with elite defense (you know, just like Allen). I hate that Allen is injured, but this opportunity is exactly what Mobley needed.

[Jabroni Lames]

Barnes' floor is looking a lot like a 20/10/5 guy, which is a perennial all-star candidate. Impressive how he's been able to bully NBA vets in the paint, as a rookie. People probably wont' like this comparison, but Barnes physicality reminds me of Zach Randolph in the post, except that he's able use his excellent handles to dribble into the post by himself.

Mini-Jokic is also a good comparison.

[ROballer]

I absolutely adore Scottie. Exceeded my expectations tenfold this year.

But looking for next year, Toronto needs to get rid of a body IMO. When all players are healthy, Scottie is the 5th option and he plays with FOUR guys who average 17 a game or more. It used to be 18+ but OG dipped a bit.

I don't remember a team having four 17+ ppg scorers in a single year. The fact that Scottie averages 15+ himself as the last guy eating is insane.

You take this as his rookie season, but in order to really get to the next level you need to find more usage for him. Even the point of this thread, the post ASG numbers. It was done without OG and even Fred during some games.

[PD28]

Barnes' floor is looking a lot like a 20/10/5 guy, which is a perennial all-star candidate. Impressive how he's been able to bully NBA vets in the paint, as a rookie. People probably wont' like this comparison, but Barnes physicality reminds me of Zach Randolph in the post, except that he's able use his excellent handles to dribble into the post by himself.

Mini-Jokic is also a good comparison.

I can see that Zach comparison lol. Barnes also has a wide base and strong as hell. It allows him to push around bigs like Cousins. Very rarely have I seen a rookie big be physically imposing right out of the gates.

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[Madhouse]

Cade looking strong vs Clips. 11/6/4 at half

[John Murdoch]

Would still draft Cade and Mobley over him

[lobosloboslobos]

Evan Mobley's production since Jarrett Allen went down with injury needs to be discussed...

It's only been four games so far, so the sample size is small, but it's noteworthy. In that span, Mobley is putting up the following averages:

19.5 PPG on 55% FG
12 RPG
3 APG
1.75 SPG
1.75 BPG

This is on top of still playing elite defense. If these were his averages for the entire season, he'd be the overwhelming favorite to win ROY with no one even calling it into question. Jarrett Allen is instrumental to Cleveland's success, and I personally do not think they will hold their 6th spot now that he's gone with injury. But it's opening the door for Mobley to showcase that he is also capable of being a very good second option, as well as a walking double double with elite defense (you know, just like Allen). I hate that Allen is injured, but this opportunity is exactly what Mobley needed.

I am not trying to promote one guy at the expense of the other or anything, but I can't help noticing how close Mobley and Barnes are right now.

Barnes last 10 games:

19 PPG on 57% FG
8.4 RPG
3.3 APG
1 SPG
2 BPG

[TheFutureMM]

Would still draft Cade and Mobley over him

I'd love to see a poll for NBA executives at this stage and how they would rank Cade, Mobley, Barnes, Giddey, and Wagner. All 5 of them have been absolutely unreal and have All-NBA potential. I'm not even sure how I'd rank them at this stage.

This off-season and next will be really telling for Barnes. Like every other Raptors fan, I think his ceiling is All-NBA, and I think he has the potential to be a Top 10 guy if he puts the work in mentally/physically. I could see him averaging 20/8/5 with a block + steal a game easily in his prime.

[TheLand13]

Evan Mobley's production since Jarrett Allen went down with injury needs to be discussed...

It's only been four games so far, so the sample size is small, but it's noteworthy. In that span, Mobley is putting up the following averages:

19.5 PPG on 55% FG
12 RPG
3 APG
1.75 SPG
1.75 BPG

This is on top of still playing elite defense. If these were his averages for the entire season, he'd be the overwhelming favorite to win ROY with no one even calling it into question. Jarrett Allen is instrumental to Cleveland's success, and I personally do not think they will hold their 6th spot now that he's gone with injury. But it's opening the door for Mobley to showcase that he is also capable of being a very good second option, as well as a walking double double with elite defense (you know, just like Allen). I hate that Allen is injured, but this opportunity is exactly what Mobley needed.

I am not trying to promote one guy at the expense of the other or anything, but I can't help noticing how close Mobley and Barnes are right now.

Barnes last 10 games:

19 PPG on 57% FG
8.4 RPG
3.3 APG
1 SPG
2 BPG

Mobley’s defensive impact still far outweighs Barnes, but what I find notable about what Barnes is doing is that he’s not even their second option on offense even with VanVleet missing games. I couldn’t even begin to imagine what his numbers would be if he were the number one option on offense. But then again, the same holds true for Mobley.

[ROballer]

Would still draft Cade and Mobley over him

I could see him averaging 20/8/5 with a block + steal a game easily in his prime.

Those will be at worst year 3 numbers. Maybe next year if one of Siakam/Vanvleet/Trent/OG is traded, they're all getting more shots and usage than Barnes when all are healthy.

With the increase in production after the ASB due to OG not playing, he'll end up close to 16/8/4/1/1 rounded as a rookie.
20/8/5/1/1 seem like a gimmick at this point. He'll be doing way more than that.

[First Step]

Scottie is one of those players who is wise beyond his years. He still loses focus like most rookies, but more often than not he plays with the poise of a veteran leader. He has the gravitas to tell players where to go on the court.

[LoveMyRaps]

Dude's a future superstar, no doubt in my mind.