Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors

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Series Prediction for 76ers vs. Raptors?

76ers in 4
22
4%
76ers in 5
48
9%
76ers in 6
97
18%
76ers in 7
54
10%
Raps in 4
40
8%
Raptors in 5
14
3%
Raptors in 6
190
36%
Raptors in 7
64
12%
 
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Re: Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors 

Post#361 » by stormi » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:43 pm

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stormi wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:This just sounds like insecurity on your part. Sixers are still the betting odds favorite and it would be considered an upset if the Raptors win the series

Everyone knows who the pressure is on and it’s not us


Raptors fans being going on for weeks about how they wanted this matchup because they're our kryptonite and having the war codes to suffocate us into an easy submission, but then also trying to hang onto the upset card if they so shall not win is ****.

Pick a side.

Yes, out of the top 4 seeds Philly was the most preferred matchup. Does that make us favorites to win the series?


It's real weak to parade around about this matchup but then to fall back and start stuttering about developmental years when you get pressed about both outcomes. Makes you sound scared imo.

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Post#362 » by sixers4real » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:44 pm

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sixers4real wrote:~65% of the poll says Raptors will win

In case you haven’t noticed the biggest fan base of this forum is Raptors fans

I did.

I wonder what are the results outside of Philly/Toronto voters. I know everybody wants Toronto to win, people hate Philly.

But I wonder what people really think
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Post#363 » by Bruin » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:46 pm

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stormi wrote:
Raptors fans being going on for weeks about how they wanted this matchup because they're our kryptonite and having the war codes to suffocate us into an easy submission, but then also trying to hang onto the upset card if they so shall not win is ****.

Pick a side.

Yes, out of the top 4 seeds Philly was the most preferred matchup. Does that make us favorites to win the series?


It's real weak to parade around about this matchup but then to fall back and start stuttering about developmental years when you get pressed about both outcomes. Makes you sound scared imo.

Sixers in 5.

Uh what you’re saying doesn’t really make any sense with respect to what I’ve said

Anyways, I think Raptors do win this series. But that doesn’t mean the Raptors are the favorites and it definitely doesn’t make this a “legacy series” for one of the youngest teams in the playoffs lol
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Post#364 » by And1+2 » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:51 pm

Can't wait to fall behind by 16 in the opening quarter of game 1 only to come storming back and win by 11 because Doc doesn't know how to manage Embiid's minutes or something stupid like that. Also can't wait until he inevitably overcompensates the next game, plays him 40 and pushes him to the edge of utter exhaustion in a close loss.

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Re: Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors 

Post#365 » by Dirk » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:02 pm

sixers4real wrote:~65% of the poll says Raptors will win


Raptors fans really trust Scottie Barnes.
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Re: Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors 

Post#366 » by Snotbubbles » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:07 pm

sixers4real wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
sixers4real wrote:~65% of the poll says Raptors will win

In case you haven’t noticed the biggest fan base of this forum is Raptors fans

I did.

I wonder what are the results outside of Philly/Toronto voters. I know everybody wants Toronto to win, people hate Philly.

But I wonder what people really think


Well you have all the Brooklyn fans/Harden Haters going with Toronto.
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Re: Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors 

Post#367 » by cupcakesnake » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:08 pm

I mean... we should depend on Doc Rivers blowing a 3-1 lead and James Harden having multiple games where he shoots 2-11. So the math says: Raps in 7.
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Post#368 » by Vampirate » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:10 pm

Dirk wrote:
sixers4real wrote:~65% of the poll says Raptors will win


Raptors fans really trust Scottie Barnes.


I don't know hoe Scottie Barnes is going to do.

The poll is much more of a reflection on people's opinions of James Harden right now.
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Post#369 » by Dirk » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:11 pm

Vampirate wrote:
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sixers4real wrote:~65% of the poll says Raptors will win


Raptors fans really trust Scottie Barnes.


I don't know hoe Scottie Barnes is going to do.

The poll is much more of a reflection on people's opinions of James Harden right now.


Are we taking the poll seriously and not in jest?

My interpretation is that plenty of votes are just to annoy Sixers fans.

I may have misinterpreted if it truly reflects that most think the Sixers are losing this.
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Post#370 » by cupcakesnake » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:16 pm

sixers4real wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
sixers4real wrote:~65% of the poll says Raptors will win

In case you haven’t noticed the biggest fan base of this forum is Raptors fans

I did.

I wonder what are the results outside of Philly/Toronto voters. I know everybody wants Toronto to win, people hate Philly.

But I wonder what people really think


I believe the betting odds basically say that Philly has a 60% chance of winning this series.
I assume the larger NBA fan base sees Phili with the higher seed, the best player, and more famous people.

I think basketball nerds see it as an interesting matchup where Phili has way more fire power, but Toronto is a weird and difficult team to play, and they'll have all kinds of ways to mess with Phili. The Raps have the coaching advantage and the superior defense. Phili gets to start all their action with a mega mismatch of Joel Embiid going up against a bunch of 6'8" dudes. The Harden/Embiid pick & roll is the biggest single playtype weapon in this series. Phili is very predictable and Toronto is wildly unpredictable.

Remember the Toronto fan base is the biggest one on realgm. Don't take a general board thread as the overall discourse. But unbiased die hard hoops fans... probably expect Phili to win but see it as closer to a coin flip overall. There's a healthy respect for Nurse, an unhealthy disrespect for Doc, and Phili has enough holes that this should be a very competitive series.
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Re: Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors 

Post#371 » by cupcakesnake » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:19 pm

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stormi wrote:
Raptors fans being going on for weeks about how they wanted this matchup because they're our kryptonite and having the war codes to suffocate us into an easy submission, but then also trying to hang onto the upset card if they so shall not win is pussy.

Pick a side.

Yes, out of the top 4 seeds Philly was the most preferred matchup. Does that make us favorites to win the series?


It's real weak to parade around about this matchup but then to fall back and start stuttering about developmental years when you get pressed about both outcomes. Makes you sound scared imo.

Sixers in 5.


Any huge fan of a team hopes to win and is afraid to lose. Even when you're confident and believe in your team, of course you're afraid to lose, especially when we have no control over these games. I have no doubt you're confident Phili will take this and worried to some degree about the humiliation of a loss. It's normal. We're fans.
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Re: Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors 

Post#372 » by Vampirate » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:20 pm

Dirk wrote:
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Dirk wrote:
Raptors fans really trust Scottie Barnes.


I don't know hoe Scottie Barnes is going to do.

The poll is much more of a reflection on people's opinions of James Harden right now.


Are we taking the poll seriously and not in jest?

My interpretation is that plenty of votes are just to annoy Sixers fans.

I may have misinterpreted if it truly reflects that most think the Sixers are losing this.


That's entirely possible.

Anyways the 76ers have the best player in the series in Embiid no question, after that though it gets mudied.

I've said it before, if Harden proves he's still a top 10 player in this series, the 76ers probably have the series in 4 or 5 games.

If Harden really struggles and he really wasn't dogging it in the regular season, than the 76ers are in trouble, and at that point it's up in the air if they even get past the first round, let alone the second.

Keep in mind they consolidated some players and went all in for Harden so that trade better bear fruit for them.
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Re: Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors 

Post#373 » by Backcountry » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:20 pm

Dirk wrote:
Vampirate wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Raptors fans really trust Scottie Barnes.


I don't know hoe Scottie Barnes is going to do.

The poll is much more of a reflection on people's opinions of James Harden right now.


Are we taking the poll seriously and not in jest?

My interpretation is that plenty of votes are just to annoy Sixers fans.

I may have misinterpreted if it truly reflects that most think the Sixers are losing this.


No, I think you're right in that the poll only reflects who most fans want to win. :D
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Re: Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors 

Post#374 » by PD28 » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:21 pm

Backcountry wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Vampirate wrote:
I don't know hoe Scottie Barnes is going to do.

The poll is much more of a reflection on people's opinions of James Harden right now.


Are we taking the poll seriously and not in jest?

My interpretation is that plenty of votes are just to annoy Sixers fans.

I may have misinterpreted if it truly reflects that most think the Sixers are losing this.


No, I think you're right in that the poll only reflects who most fans want to win. :D
It's even more lopsided because Nets fans (for Harden) and Celtics fans (Not entirely sure why) want Philly to lose.

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Post#375 » by Mattatron » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:35 pm

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rilamann wrote:Maybe the Sixers still win the series because they have the best player in the series. But Nick Nurse vs Doc Rivers is going to be comical.


2020 https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/nick-nurse-passes-steve-kerr-become-winningest-head-coach-nba-history

Today Ime Udoka has a higher win percentage than Nick Nurse. Doc Rivers is at .587 and Nick Nurse at .604.


Nurse is in his 4th Season, Udoka in his 1st. What you want to say with this post. Nurse tops every Coach in the east, maybe Spo is up there too.
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Post#376 » by LarrySeinfeld » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:40 pm

jamaalstar21 wrote:
sixers4real wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:In case you haven’t noticed the biggest fan base of this forum is Raptors fans

I did.

I wonder what are the results outside of Philly/Toronto voters. I know everybody wants Toronto to win, people hate Philly.

But I wonder what people really think


I believe the betting odds basically say that Philly has a 60% chance of winning this series.
I assume the larger NBA fan base sees Phili with the higher seed, the best player, and more famous people.

I think basketball nerds see it as an interesting matchup where Phili has way more fire power, but Toronto is a weird and difficult team to play, and they'll have all kinds of ways to mess with Phili. The Raps have the coaching advantage and the superior defense. Phili gets to start all their action with a mega mismatch of Joel Embiid going up against a bunch of 6'8" dudes. The Harden/Embiid pick & roll is the biggest single playtype weapon in this series. Phili is very predictable and Toronto is wildly unpredictable.

Remember the Toronto fan base is the biggest one on realgm. Don't take a general board thread as the overall discourse. But unbiased die hard hoops fans... probably expect Phili to win but see it as closer to a coin flip overall. There's a healthy respect for Nurse, an unhealthy disrespect for Doc, and Phili has enough holes that this should be a very competitive series.


Yup pretty much, one of the best takes I've seen so far on how this series might play out. Except I'm a homer and I will take the raps to win. Nonetheless it will be a very interesting series to watch
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Post#377 » by canz55 » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:47 pm

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canz55 wrote:The Sixers just don't have "it". They have some really talented players but as a team, they're just not a cohesive unit.
Maxey is a terrific player obviously - he'll keep the Sixers in the series with his great shooting and rim pressure but the rest of the Sixers outside of Embiid is a garbage heap. Even if the Sixers end up winning the series, the thought that it will be enough to endear Sixer's front office to either keep Doc and/or give Harden a 200 million dollar contract has to be upsetting for Philadelphia fans.

I agree with your first couple sentences--team is lacking cohesion and is missing something--but the rest of it seems like it might be based on a bad game or two you saw. Harden is often very good and Maxey is often pretty irrelevant, and the Sixers' shooters and secondary players have a pretty big role playing off Embiid and Harden (and they're pretty good at it). Maxey is usually fairly low down the list of major factors for a win, and he was struggling for a long spell before the last week or two.

Also if this is based mostly on the last Sixers-Raptors game, as I've mentioned a bunch in this thread that was an unusual game. Most notably you're really really not going to see so much late-game isos like in that game. Sixers haven't been doing that very often and something strange was going on in that 4th q, since they went to it so frequently and since it was obviously working so badly (not to mention Harden was exceptionally awful at it that game).
I've been following Maxey the whole time - apart from a couple of bad stretches he's had a monumental season. Looking at his shooting averages inside and outside of the arc - compared to most guards in the league he's head and shoulders better than virtually 90% of them. He's an elite player in this league albeit at the age of 22.

Its also worth talking about how efficient the Sixers were playing as a unit pre-Harden trade. In the first half of the season, they were talked about as Eastern conference final contenders before anyone had any idea whether Ben was going to be traded for value. Now that the last bullet in the chamber has been used (at least for this season) there are a lot of questions about whether or not the Sixers have enough chemistry to pull off a series win in the playoffs. These are valid questions given how the Sixers have been playing.

By the way, Maxey might have been irrelevant for a handful of regular-season games but I guarantee you the Sixers don't do jack in the postseason without him playing well.
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Re: Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors 

Post#378 » by Parataxis » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:53 pm

stormi wrote:
God Squad wrote:I like being the underdog with upset capability.


The Raptors are absolutely the favorites and it feels tremendous as a Sixers fan to not have that burden of being expected to win this one.

Legacy series for Siakam, Barnes and FVV right here.


I mean if it makes you feel better to treat yourselves as the underdog, then you do you. If it makes you more comfortable to accept a potential loss, than good on you.

But by nearly every conceivable metric (pre-season expectations, trade deadline moves, star power, end of season rankings, betting lines, etc...) this series should be Philly's. That they might not make it doesn't really make them the 'underdog'. If anything, it puts more pressure on them to pull it off.
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Re: Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors 

Post#379 » by cupcakesnake » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:58 pm

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jamaalstar21 wrote:
sixers4real wrote:I did.

I wonder what are the results outside of Philly/Toronto voters. I know everybody wants Toronto to win, people hate Philly.

But I wonder what people really think


I believe the betting odds basically say that Philly has a 60% chance of winning this series.
I assume the larger NBA fan base sees Phili with the higher seed, the best player, and more famous people.

I think basketball nerds see it as an interesting matchup where Phili has way more fire power, but Toronto is a weird and difficult team to play, and they'll have all kinds of ways to mess with Phili. The Raps have the coaching advantage and the superior defense. Phili gets to start all their action with a mega mismatch of Joel Embiid going up against a bunch of 6'8" dudes. The Harden/Embiid pick & roll is the biggest single playtype weapon in this series. Phili is very predictable and Toronto is wildly unpredictable.

Remember the Toronto fan base is the biggest one on realgm. Don't take a general board thread as the overall discourse. But unbiased die hard hoops fans... probably expect Phili to win but see it as closer to a coin flip overall. There's a healthy respect for Nurse, an unhealthy disrespect for Doc, and Phili has enough holes that this should be a very competitive series.


Yup pretty much, one of the best takes I've seen so far on how this series might play out. Except I'm a homer and I will take the raps to win. Nonetheless it will be a very interesting series to watch


I have Raps in 7. I do think that Phili starts with the advantage (best player, homecourt) but I'm not giving Harden and Doc the benefit of the doubt. They have to prove me wrong before I get on either of their empty bandwagons. I think the Raps need a lot to go right, especially just shooting the ball (Precious gotta prove that shooting improvement is playoff ready), but I'd rather throw in my lot with Nick Nurse in a playoff series if it ends up close. Embiid will be an unstoppable monster that the Raps have to keep tied down on a nightly basis. But while I trust Joel's unstoppable fire power, I'm not sold on his decision making ability (though it's a good series for him to prove doubters wrong). He's going to live at the line and take 1000 shots, but to me that's the full extent of Embiid's offensive ability. He's not going to find the holes in the defense and pick them apart, he's going to force the issue for better or worse (usually better in Embiid's case).

Siakam has been such a problem for the Sixers, and their only answer has been putting Embiid on him full time. The problem with that is that it breaks the Sixers defense to drag Joel up to the top of the key and opens up a ton of stuff in the corners and wings. That's going to be the first playoff adjustment to watch for. We know how the Raps will guard Joel, send swarms and tricky doubles at weird times, try to confuse him and get him second guessing his passes and drives. Joel is going to want this so bad, and is going to do everything he can to prepare, he has a healthy respect for how the Raptors try to mess him up. But what we don't know is what the Sixers might try to do to turn off Siakam without helping the Raps offense overall. I bet Doc Rivers is going to work his ass off for this. He clearly hears the jabs that fans and media have been increasingly taking at him, and know that a loss to a popular coach like Nurse is not a good option for him. There's a ton of pressure on the Sixers in general. Doc and Harden's reps are in the mud right now, band might be buried by a first-round loss. Embiid's haters are going to have some more substantial ammo if his playoff resume gets another disappointing loss on it. The Sixers are going to fight for their lives so the Raps better be ready for that.

I think some nights, Joel going off is going to be too much for the Raps, especially if his good games coincide with poor Raptors shooting nights. But I think over a 7 games series the Sixers have more to exploit, and the Raps are better built to be the exploiters. Can't wait for this series!
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Re: Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors 

Post#380 » by Tacoma » Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:03 pm

stormi wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
stormi wrote:
Raptors fans being going on for weeks about how they wanted this matchup because they're our kryptonite and having the war codes to suffocate us into an easy submission, but then also trying to hang onto the upset card if they so shall not win is pussy.

Pick a side.

Yes, out of the top 4 seeds Philly was the most preferred matchup. Does that make us favorites to win the series?


It's real weak to parade around about this matchup but then to fall back and start stuttering about developmental years when you get pressed about both outcomes. Makes you sound scared imo.

Sixers in 5.


Toronto had a 27-win season in 2021. Masai Ujiri said "We’re not a team of now, there are going to be growing pains" and Raptors fans were debating whether 2022 should be a tank season. That the Raptors are in a development year isn't really up for debate.

There was no "parading around about this match-up." It was ~3-way tie between PHI, MIL & BOS and fans were asked which match-up they prefer. That's it, no parading or disrespect. If you're taking it any other way, you're seeing something that's not there.

Finally, there's no link between (1) being a development team and (2) preferring to match up against Philly instead of BOS or MIL. May have been said with bravado but there's no connection, the 2 are independent. . No one is scared. Again, you're seeing something that's not there.

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