Nikola Jokic wins MVP(again)

[rapstarter]

Honestly, who cares about MVP anymore though. Its a flawed award based on the RS, which nobody ultimately judges great players on, which Jokic is. Probably because its such a slog and hard for teams to practice and gameplan fully. Its too bad we only saw Jokic for 5 games this post season, none of which he took over. When teams are in a playoff series, going against the best teams with extremely tight gameplans, we see who the best and most valuable players are.

Jokic
Game 1 - 25pts, 10rbs, 6as, 3st, 1bl
Game 2 - 26pts, 11rbs, 4as, 1st, 2bl
Game 3 - 37pts, 18rbs, 5as, 3st
Game 4 - 37pts, 8rbs, 6as
Game 5 - 30pts, 19rbs, 8as, 1st, 2bl
Totals: 31ppg, 13.2rpg, 5.8apg, 1.6spg, 1bpg

Embiid
Game 1 - 19pts, 15rbs, 4as, 0st, 1bl
Game 2 - 31pts, 11rbs
Game 3 - 33pts, 13rbs, 2as, 0st, 1bl
Game 4 - 21pts, 8rbs, 3as
Game 5 - 20pts, 11rbs, 4as
Totals: 24.8ppg, 11.6rpg, 2.6apg, 0spg, 0.4bpg

Jokic against the Warriors (3rd seed) while Embiid was against the Raptors (5th seed)

Jokic with Morris, Barton, Jeff Green, and Gordon
Embiid with Maxey, Harden, Danny Green, and Harris

Yes he has less help, and thus has to do more and produce higher numbers. Philly without embiid was about to get swept vs Miami, playing at the level of an 8 seed or worse. Im not referring to those numbers though, as they only paint part of the picture. Jokic didnt take over a single game in the way an MVP player does, and was a problem for his team on the defensive end. What game was his standout game, where his impact was too overwhelming and he elevated his teams play, like a 2 time MVP should?

[KembaWalker]

i don't like that the award has transitioned from best player on the best (or on a great) team to a discussion about who has the least help like its a charity pity party award. MVP should be better than that

[Raps in 4]

Its a regular season award, not a playoff award. Weird to see some people litigate the award using highlights/lowlights from the playoffs.

Jokic had a great season and he really deserved it.

Even if it was a playoff award:

Jokic: 31/13/6 on 64% TS against the Warriors, who have 4 all-stars on their roster and are favourites to come out of the West.

Embiid: 25/11/2 on 62% TS against the Raptors who were expected to miss the playoffs this year, and who had injuries to 3/5 starters.

I've defended Wiggins as being better right now than some his critics allege but at most the Warriors have 2 legit all-stars if the 24 best NBA players were selected before the playoffs. The league was down due to injuries this year but your point of Jokic's roster 2-15 being awful compared to what Steph Curry was playing with is 100% true. These Warriors are different than their teams of the past... They are more defined by their impressive high quality depth than having ridiculous top end talent like they had in the recent past.

Yeah, it was a disingenuous argument. The Warriors core is old and worn down. My point was just that the Warriors are still a much better team than the Raptors, especially when you consider the health of the rosters at the time.

[Sharkboy242]

i don't like that the award has transitioned from best player on the best (or on a great) team to a discussion about who has the least help like its a charity pity party award. MVP should be better than that

Give it a rest man, go touch some grass or something.

[Johnny Firpo]

No, it doesn't, lol.

Okay, it doesn't mean it then. Jokic is still the better player.

No he’s not.

Oh yeah, he is. And you will once again see it in the all-nba selections as well.

2 MVP > 0 MVP
3 All-NBA 1st > 0 All-NBA 1st

This, combined with the perennial "who is the best center in the NBA" poll which he pretty much always wins by a landslide, sure doesn't scream "it's close" to me. Embiid is only the best center for Philly fans, fans who do not like European players, and... That's all, really.

[rapstarter]

i don't like that the award has transitioned from best player on the best (or on a great) team to a discussion about who has the least help like its a charity pity party award. MVP should be better than that

The Bucks and the Sixers didn't exactly blow the Nuggets out of the water, so it seems more than fair to take into account the help (or severe lack of it in Jokic's case). In fact, Jokic even won more games than Embiid this regular season.

[KembaWalker]

i don't like that the award has transitioned from best player on the best (or on a great) team to a discussion about who has the least help like its a charity pity party award. MVP should be better than that

Give it a rest man, go touch some grass or something.

no need to attack me personally. you should do some self reflection

[Desiderium]

Has a single player not on the nuggets congratulated him on his MVP? The blatant disrespect is real

[Raps in 4]

i don't like that the award has transitioned from best player on the best (or on a great) team to a discussion about who has the least help like its a charity pity party award. MVP should be better than that

Jokic's team won 48 games. The only teams to win more than 53 games were Phoenix and Memphis. So by your logic, you would have given the award to Paul, Booker, or Ja? Embiid and Giannis' teams won 51 games.

[Johnny Firpo]

Has a single player not on the nuggets congratulated him on his MVP? The blatant disrespect is real

No one congratulated to him last year either, only Luka I think, from the star players.

[Sharkboy242]

i don't like that the award has transitioned from best player on the best (or on a great) team to a discussion about who has the least help like its a charity pity party award. MVP should be better than that

Give it a rest man, go touch some grass or something.

no need to attack me personally. you should do some self reflection

All you do is talk s*** in Jokic threads and its all low effort.

You reap what you sow.

[KembaWalker]

i don't like that the award has transitioned from best player on the best (or on a great) team to a discussion about who has the least help like its a charity pity party award. MVP should be better than that

The Bucks and the Sixers didn't exactly blow the Nuggets out of the water, so it seems more than fair to take into account the help (or severe lack of it in Jokic's case). In fact, Jokic even won more games than Embiid this regular season.

The Bucks wouldn't trade Giannis for Jokic and multiple draft picks. He's not more valuable on the court or as an asset
Giannis loses teammates and keeps on truckin

Everyone knows Giannis is the best player in the league. You know it. I know it. Jokic stans know it. I don't even like Giannis, it doesn't matter. he is the most valuable player in basketball. stats shouldnt matter THAT much

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Okay, it doesn't mean it then. Jokic is still the better player.

No he’s not.

Oh yeah, he is. And you will once again see it in the all-nba selections as well.

2 MVP > 0 MVP
3 All-NBA 1st > 0 All-NBA 1st

This, combined with the perennial "who is the best center in the NBA" poll which he pretty much always wins by a landslide, sure doesn't scream "it's close" to me. Embiid is only the best center for Philly fans, fans who do not like European players, and... That's all, really.

by far the better player overall.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

people voting for Jokic know that.

[JoeyLightYears]

Well deserved.

[Dominator83]

Well I knew exactly how this thread was gonna be

[soxfan2003]

Has a single player not on the nuggets congratulated him on his MVP? The blatant disrespect is real

The disrespect is certainly real for sure based upon what I have observed but at the same time, I wouldn't expect a lot of the congratulations to happen until after he officially wins it.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

i don't like that the award has transitioned from best player on the best (or on a great) team to a discussion about who has the least help like its a charity pity party award. MVP should be better than that

The Bucks and the Sixers didn't exactly blow the Nuggets out of the water, so it seems more than fair to take into account the help (or severe lack of it in Jokic's case). In fact, Jokic even won more games than Embiid this regular season.

The Bucks wouldn't trade Giannis for Jokic and multiple draft picks. He's not more valuable on the court or as an asset
Giannis loses teammates and keeps on truckin

Everyone knows Giannis is the best player in the league. You know it. I know it. Jokic stans know it. I don't even like Giannis, it doesn't matter. he is the most valuable player in basketball. stats shouldnt matter THAT much

Giannis doesn't get subbed out for defense in crunchtime of playoff games, that's all that really needs to be said on who is better between them.

[BrianFitz]

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You're so bitter. OOHHHH NOOOEEEZZZ .... Embiid didn't win MVP.

[hardenASG13]

Jokic
Game 1 - 25pts, 10rbs, 6as, 3st, 1bl
Game 2 - 26pts, 11rbs, 4as, 1st, 2bl
Game 3 - 37pts, 18rbs, 5as, 3st
Game 4 - 37pts, 8rbs, 6as
Game 5 - 30pts, 19rbs, 8as, 1st, 2bl
Totals: 31ppg, 13.2rpg, 5.8apg, 1.6spg, 1bpg

Embiid
Game 1 - 19pts, 15rbs, 4as, 0st, 1bl
Game 2 - 31pts, 11rbs
Game 3 - 33pts, 13rbs, 2as, 0st, 1bl
Game 4 - 21pts, 8rbs, 3as
Game 5 - 20pts, 11rbs, 4as
Totals: 24.8ppg, 11.6rpg, 2.6apg, 0spg, 0.4bpg

Jokic against the Warriors (3rd seed) while Embiid was against the Raptors (5th seed)

Jokic with Morris, Barton, Jeff Green, and Gordon
Embiid with Maxey, Harden, Danny Green, and Harris

Yes he has less help, and thus has to do more and produce higher numbers. Philly without embiid was about to get swept vs Miami, playing at the level of an 8 seed or worse. Im not referring to those numbers though, as they only paint part of the picture. Jokic didnt take over a single game in the way an MVP player does, and was a problem for his team on the defensive end. What game was his standout game, where his impact was too overwhelming and he elevated his teams play, like a 2 time MVP should?

Nice emojis. Explain what you are laughing at about my statement.

[Tor_Raps]

Lol Another 1st round exit MVP, congrats but they need to start giving this award to players that actually win.

If Embiid was missing Harden and Maxey in the first round, he would have lost to the Raptors too. That's the equivalent of what Jokic has been dealing with all year...